Losin our American freedoms: the sad story

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struggle4progress  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Mar-22-10 09:01 AM
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Losin our American freedoms: the sad story
   
It used to be a great country. You could go find some land they liked, chase the natives off it with guns, and then it was yours, free and clear. If you needed somebody to work it, no problem: you just clapped some Africans in chains and told them to get to work on the cotton. It's just not like that anymore. We're slowly losin our freedoms. After that communist Lincoln ended slavery, you could still work women and children ten or twelve hours a day, seven days a week, and if they were stupid enough to get their hands chopped off in the machinery, no problem: you just fired them without a lot of silly paperwork. It's just not like that anymore. We're slowly losin our freedoms. Americans used to be able to sit around a kerosene lamp at night, hopin nobody knocked it over and set the house ablaze; we used to be able to work about the barefoot kids gettin worms; and we used be be able to die invisibly of poverty in our old age. And then that bastard Roosevelt came along and suddenly there was rural electrification and modernized concrete privies and social security. So it's just not like that anymore. We're slowly losin our freedoms. You used to be able to keep uppity folk from votin. Then that Johnson guy pushed through his votin rights act and Medicare and all that crap. We're slowly losin our freedoms. Now they're tryin to take away your right to die of an easily treatable illness ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7983057

What an idiot.

proud2BlibKansan  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Mar-22-10 09:02 AM
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1. Takin away our right to die without health care
   
Those damn Democrats!!

Yeah now we get to die waiting in line for a surgery that we used to be able to get easily.

[delilahmused]

The very best thing about this legislation is that it's opened people's eyes to what the democrat party really is. People are pissed and watching very closely. Even people who aren't political junkies. They screwed the pooch. Now comes court challenges, roll backs and defunding. There may be no way to repeal it (as every pundit says) but we don't have to pay for it either which in essence cuts it's balls off...an operation the left wants covered anyway.

Cindie

[vlad335]

The very best thing about this legislation is that it's opened people's eyes to what the democrat party really is. People are pissed and watching very closely. Even people who aren't political junkies. They screwed the pooch. Now comes court challenges, roll backs and defunding. There may be no way to repeal it (as every pundit says) but we don't have to pay for it either which in essence cuts it's balls off...an operation the left wants covered anyway.

Cindie

I hate to say it but the State's challenges will amount to nothing. Obama will direct the power of the Federal government to threaten to cut all federal funds to said states and it's game over. Sorry to say it but this is all bluster and will fold like a house of cards. Does anyone think that Obama wouldn't do something this arrogant?

Roll backs and defunding? I would be inclined to believe this if the republicans were not so terrified of the MSN. Take a look at the Bunning unemployment vote a couple weeks ago. The MSN went into full blown attack mode and the R's unraveled like cheap twine.


Sorry to be so negative but I don't see any way out of this.

[Ptarmigan]

I hate to say it but the State's challenges will amount to nothing. Obama will direct the power of the Federal government to threaten to cut all federal funds to said states and it's game over. Sorry to say it but this is all bluster and will fold like a house of cards. Does anyone think that Obama wouldn't do something this arrogant?

Roll backs and defunding? I would be inclined to believe this if the republicans were not so terrified of the MSN. Take a look at the Bunning unemployment vote a couple weeks ago. The MSN went into full blown attack mode and the R's unraveled like cheap twine.


Sorry to be so negative but I don't see any way out of this.

We could always hope for another Pinochet. He liberalized Chile's economy for the better.

[vlad335]

Yes, we need a leader! I am tired of the replay of Reagan speeches on talk radio and the internet. Great stuff but we need a leader like him now. Where is the Ronald Reagan of today in Washington?

[Chris_]

The very best thing about this legislation is that it's opened people's eyes to what the democrat party really is. People are pissed and watching very closely. Even people who aren't political junkies. They screwed the pooch. Now comes court challenges, roll backs and defunding. There may be no way to repeal it (as every pundit says) but we don't have to pay for it either which in essence cuts it's balls off...an operation the left wants covered anyway.

Cindie

I hate to disagree......but let's face it, the American people are stupid, uninvolved, self-centered lemmings anymore.  I would make a substantial bet if you went down the street in any town in the US, and picked ten people at random........six would not have a clue as to what happened yesterday......and of the four remaining, you'd be lucky if two really understood the issue.  However, roughly half of them will go and vote......and they will make up their minds on who/what to vote for in the car on the way to the polls.........no research, no thought, no consideration of past actions......that is sadly what we have become....the house, the kids, the school play, the soccor practice, the bridge club, the golf game, the job, the career, the trip to the Bahamas.......all are more important than the nation that provides all those things.

We, on this board, are aware of the details of today's politics, but the average Joe or Jane out there couldn't care less......unfortunately, we are but a small minority, and likely to remain so.......until some great cataclysmic event threatens the ability of Joe/Jane to watch American Idol, play golf on Saturday, or go to the beauty salon next Tuesday......

I for one, am hedging my bets......elsewhere.......I'm close to the point where I'm no longer going to continue to help pull on the "oars" of a ship that is headed for a reef.........if I/we cannot garner enough interest and support to "take over the helm"......I'm grabbing a lifeboat, and I'm out of here......screw 'em.....I've gotten to this point in my life on my wits and personal effort, and I can do that anywhere........I'm sure as hell not going to drag around a bunch of baggage foisted on me by the crooks in Washington.

doc

[Randy]

I think the future of this country all hinges on Texas. It's the only hope I can see for it.

They need to exercise their right to secede on the grounds of our new found third world status and start a peaceful dissolution of the country along party lines. Then after socialism fails in a few years the states smart enough to have left can reclaim and rebuild.

It's the only way I can see this being reversed and our once great nation being salvaged.

[lastparker]

I hate to disagree......but let's face it, the American people are stupid, uninvolved, self-centered lemmings anymore.  I would make a substantial bet if you went down the street in any town in the US, and picked ten people at random........six would not have a clue as to what happened yesterday......and of the four remaining, you'd be lucky if two really understood the issue.  However, roughly half of them will go and vote......and they will make up their minds on who/what to vote for in the car on the way to the polls.........no research, no thought, no consideration of past actions......that is sadly what we have become....the house, the kids, the school play, the soccor practice, the bridge club, the golf game, the job, the career, the trip to the Bahamas.......all are more important than the nation that provides all those things.

We, on this board, are aware of the details of today's politics, but the average Joe or Jane out there couldn't care less......unfortunately, we are but a small minority, and likely to remain so.......until some great cataclysmic event threatens the ability of Joe/Jane to watch American Idol, play golf on Saturday, or go to the beauty salon next Tuesday......

I for one, am hedging my bets......elsewhere.......I'm close to the point where I'm no longer going to continue to help pull on the "oars" of a ship that is headed for a reef.........if I/we cannot garner enough interest and support to "take over the helm"......I'm grabbing a lifeboat, and I'm out of here......screw 'em.....I've gotten to this point in my life on my wits and personal effort, and I can do that anywhere........I'm sure as hell not going to drag around a bunch of baggage foisted on me by the crooks in Washington.

doc

I was right there with you while watching the zillions of people wetting their collective pants at the inauguration.  I was just shaking my head with sadness, realizing how many American citizens are just brain-dead lemmings.  And I still feel that way for the most part, but I think more people than you realize are aware of and against this healthcare nonsense.  I have some hope, again.  But I'm also still pondering how to move to a Caribbean Island without wrecking my kids' education.

[Chris_]

I was right there with you while watching the zillions of people wetting their collective pants at the inauguration.  I was just shaking my head with sadness, realizing how many American citizens are just brain-dead lemmings.  And I still feel that way for the most part, but I think more people than you realize are aware of and against this healthcare nonsense.  I have some hope, again.  But I'm also still pondering how to move to a Caribbean Island without wrecking my kids' education.

Fear not......Caribbean islands have private shcools the same as here, and since most of us wouldn't risk our kids (or in my case grandkids) to the crappy school system here anyway, unless we have to.......its a moot point.  I think that you would likely find that a good private education abroad is a hell of a lot cheaper as well......first, no teachers unions, and second, you would no longer get hosed for real estate taxes to pay for everyone else's kids.....

Due to my work, when our kids were growing up, my wife and I lived abroad for a number of years, in a couple of cases in some pretty inhospitable places, and we sent our kids to private, and "Diplomatic Corps" schools in various locations, and they all received a considerably better education than they would have here in the US, with none of the "politically correct" BS, and a focus on the basics.......all three of them as a result, speak at least three languages, and when it came time for college, they pretty much had their pick of any school that they wanted......including foreign universities, further,  considering the real estate taxes (that we didn't have to pay), the cost to us was about the same as it would have been for public schools here.

They were all well prepared for college, and completed their undergraduate degrees without difficulty, and two (the oldest and youngest) have completed graduate degrees in different disciplines.  Due to  the diversity of their educations, and their language skills, none of them have ever had any difficulty finding good jobs, and are on their way to extremely lucrative careers........their exposure to other cultures and travels has given them a much different outlook on the world than children whose education is confined to our rather myopic, limited and indoctrinary system here.

I'd check it out......

doc

[lastparker]

Due to my work, when our kids were growing up, my wife and I lived abroad for a number of years, in a couple of cases in some pretty inhospitable places, and we sent our kids to private, and "Diplomatic Corps" schools in various locations, and they all received a considerably better education than they would have here in the US, with none of the "politically correct" BS, and a focus on the basics.......all three of them as a result, speak at least three languages, and when it came time for college, they pretty much had their pick of any school that they wanted......including foreign universities, further,  considering the real estate taxes (that we didn't have to pay), the cost to us was about the same as it would have been for public schools here.

Lucky bastard!   I think I will.......

(Congrats on the fine offspring, btw)


OK, after a very cursory search of the webz for info on moving to the Caribbean, I ran across this bit of info:

"Most Caribbean countries have strict policies about keeping most of the local jobs for their local people.  In general, they do not want you coming to live there unless you clearly have something to offer (unless you are a doctor or engineer, this usually means money)."

If only the US would adopt such a policy, maybe I wouldn't have to think about leaving.