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G_j (1000+ posts) Wed Mar-17-10 09:55 AMOriginal message http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x284085Ashcroft, Tenet, Rumsfeld warned 9/11 Commission about ‘line’ it ’should not cross’ http://rawstory.com/2010/03/revealed-ashcroft-tenet-rum... /Revealed: Ashcroft, Tenet, Rumsfeld warned 9/11 Commission about ‘line’ it ’should not cross’By Sahil KapurWednesday, March 17th, 2010 -- 9:11 amSenior Bush administration officials sternly cautioned the 9/11 Commission against probing too deeply into the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, according to a document recently obtained by the ACLU.The notification came in a letter dated January 6, 2004, addressed by Attorney General John Ashcroft, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and CIA Director George J. Tenet. The ACLU described it as a fax sent by David Addington, then-counsel to former vice president Dick Cheney.In the message, the officials denied the bipartisan commission's request to question terrorist detainees, informing its two senior-most members that doing so would "cross" a "line" and obstruct the administration's ability to protect the nation."In response to the Commission's expansive requests for access to secrets, the executive branch has provided such access in full cooperation," the letter read. "There is, however, a line that the Commission should not cross -- the line separating the Commission's proper inquiry into the September 11, 2001 attacks from interference with the Government's ability to safeguard the national security, including protection of Americans from future terrorist attacks."The 9/11 Commission, officially called the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, was formed by President Bush in November of 2002 "to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks" and to offer recommendations for preventing future attacks...more..
4dsc (1000+ posts) Wed Mar-17-10 09:58 AMResponse to Original message 3. Patriots question 911 http://www.patriotsquestion911.com for what its worth..
Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Wed Mar-17-10 10:00 AMResponse to Original message 4. 06 New York Times / CBS News poll showed only 16% buy 'official' CT "Many adults in the United States believe the current federal government has not been completely forthcoming on the issue of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, according to a poll by the New York Times and CBS News. 53 per cent of respondents think the Bush administration is hiding something, and 28 per cent believe it is lying. Only 16 per cent of respondents say the government headed by U.S. president George W. Bush is telling the truth on what it knew prior to the terrorist attacks, down five points since May 2002."http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/13469
Botany (1000+ posts) Wed Mar-17-10 10:04 AMResponse to Original message 6. Questions such as: How could a slow plane hit the Pentagon which is in the most highly protected air space in the world more then 45 minutes after the first plane hit the WTC? How come Dick Cheney was running "war games" that simulated hijacked planes being used as weapons on9/11/01 and how come our fighter cover was over Greenland on 9/11?
WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Wed Mar-17-10 03:00 PMResponse to Reply #24 31. And we were supposed to win WWIII?! (P.S. Bush-Cheney didn't WANT to prevent 9/11.) Edited on Wed Mar-17-10 03:10 PM by WinkyDinkOnce one accepts that premise, and yes, it IS High Treason, then there ARE NO MORE UNANSWERABLE QUESTIONS. NONE:~~Pentagon "plane" never seen on any tape/film;~~pristine passport of M. Atta;~~impossible-to-make "cell-phone calls";~~collapse of the unhit WTC-7;~~no fighter planes in any theretoforeSOP time;~~Cheney's "war games" in the same aerial zone;~~zero "hijackers" names on plane manifests;~~some "hijackers" turning up alive in saudi Arabia;~~Bin Laden family in U.S. allowed to fly home immediately;~~and, among many other examples, THE MOST EGREGIOUS AND TELLING:BUSH SAT STONE-FACED IN A CHILDREN'S CLASSROOM FOR 7 MINUTES WHILE THE COUNTRY WAS SUPPOSEDLY UNDER ATTACK. WAS HE NOT EVEN WORRIED FOR THOSE CHILDREN IN THE SAME ROOM WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, A POSSIBLE TARGET?????THAT WOULD BE "NO." BECAUSE HE KNEW WHAT THE TARGETS WERE.ALL THESE "ANOMALIES" AND OTHERS BECOME "OH, SO THAT'S WHY'S" WITH THIS PREMISE.
bananas (1000+ posts) Wed Mar-17-10 12:01 PMResponse to Original message 13. rawstory seems to be down Can this story be read somewhere else?
JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Wed Mar-17-10 12:38 PMResponse to Original message 23. Very important to protect the myth of "KSM" at the heart of the official conspiracy theory Here are some past pieces of mine on the construction of "KSM" in the public mind:March 2007:Confirmation bias: Why would anyone uncritically accept Yosri Fouda's story of his "KSM" interview? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... In his long career as a terrorist, according to the official histories of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed decided to grant his first and only interview as a free man to a journalist a few months before his capture. This happened in April, May or June of 2002, according to the conflicting accounts given by Yosri Fouda, the London correspondant for Al Jazeera who received the privilege of interviewing not just "KSM," the alleged 9/11 mastermind, but also Ramzi Binalshibh, the putative number two in the 9/11 plot. (Binalshibh is best-known as the man who was dispatched by al-Qaeda to organize the "Hamburg Cell" under Mohammed Atta.) According to Fouda's original story...Jan 2009:"KSM" and his "Judge" in farce Gitmo "trial" - Latest news & saga to datehttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... Why all those quotes in the headline? Read on...Judge's Order Could Keep Public From Hearing Details of 9/11 TrialsBy Peter FinnWashington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, January 7, 2009; Page A02 The military judge overseeing proceedings against five of the men accused of planning the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks signed an order designed to protect classified information that is so broad it could prevent public scrutiny of the most important trial at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, according to lawyers and human rights groups. The protective order, which was signed on Dec. 18 by Judge Stephen R. Henley, an Army colonel, not only protects documents and information that have been classified by intelligence agencies, it also presumptively classifies any information "referring" to a host of agencies, including the CIA, the FBI and the State Department. The order also allows the court in certain circumstances to classify information already in the public domain and presumptively classifies "any statements made by the accused." ...SNIP...http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20... SNIP* The Infamous "KSM" - A Resume:- Pakistani born, raised in Kuwait, received his college degrees in North Carolina, supposed uncle to WTC 1993 bomber Ramzi Yussef, supposed "number three" and operations chief of "al-Qaeda" until 2003. - Supposedly interviewed confessing his "mastermind" role in 9/11 in April, May or June 2002 by Al Jazeera reporter Yosri Fouda, who has made various conflicting claims as to how and when the interview happened. Fouda claims to have captured "KSM's" confession on a video that, however, no longer exists, except for the audio track in which, Fouda says, the voices were distorted to prevent identification. See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... - Reported killed in Sept. 11, 2002 Karachi raid by Pakistani security forces.- Reported captured in Mar. 2003 Karachi raid. (Man who looks like Ron Jeremies photographed in undershirt.)- Reported held at undisclosed locations by CIA for several years before being brought as a "high-value prisoner" to the US torture and illegal detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.- Reported tortured by waterboarding and other means during this time.- Supposed tapes made of said interrogations under torture later reported as destroyed by CIA. See "Which lie should we believe? CIA admits it destroyed evidence it said didn't exist" at http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2007120816312... - During said interrogations under torture, provided "confessions" to "masterminding" 9/11 and a long string of terror attacks, in some of which he could not have had even a peripheral role; including the beheading of Daniel Pearl -- which the family of the killed journalist hotly dispute, and for which Omar Saeed Sheikh is still on death row in Pakistan.- Interrogations under torture of "KSM" and two other Gitmo prisoners provided most details of alleged Sept. 11th attack planning by "al Qaeda" as presented in The 9/11 Commission Report. Fully one-quarter of all report citations lead back to the testimony supposedly extracted under torture. See http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/30/... "The NBC News analysis shows that more than one quarter of all footnotes in the 9/11 Report refer to CIA interrogations of al-Qaida operatives who were subjected to the now-controversial interrogation techniques. In fact, information derived from the interrogations is central to the Report’s most critical chapters, those on the planning and execution of the attacks. The analysis also shows - and agency and commission staffers concur - there was a separate, second round of interrogations in early 2004, done specifically to answer new questions from the Commission."- The supposed "KSM" in US custody has never been presented in a legitimate court proceeding, public venue (unless you count the closed Gitmo "court,") or even photograph or video. ((EDIT: Through Jan 2009 - this was before the release of a "KSM" glamor photo, taken of a prisoner at Gitmo by the Red Cross.))- Now presented in court drawings as heavily bearded, "KSM" or the actor playing him currently trying to put in a guilty plea at the ongoing unconstitutional military kangaroo tribunal for 9/11 being conducted at the US government's Gitmo torture and illegal detention center. (Sorry if the terms get unwieldy when one avoids the euphemisms.)- And so the "judge" (i.e., the military officer presiding over the farcical travesty of justice) now set to kill the release of the transcripts, even from this tightly-controlled proceeding.- As though there would be anything to hide in there, given that agencies can present their hearsay summaries as evidence without needing to identify sources or have accusers or witnesses appear directly in the proceeding.Remember kids, case closed!From "Another take on the torture tapes," Dec. 12, 2007 at http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2007121211073... Joseph Cannon in his blog of Dec. 10, 2007 recalls how past CIA claims of lost evidence later turned out to be untrue: "When the CIA tells you that a piece of evidence has been destroyed, you should react as skeptically as you would to the death of a Marvel supervillain."One certainty is that the CIA lied, either when it told the 9/11 Commission that tapes of certain interrogations were never made, or else in its current claim that such tapes did exist but have been destroyed. This serves to underline the absurdity of accepting any CIA statements, any at all, especially about 9/11. By extension, the 9/11 Commission is yet again tainted for using the CIA's prisoner "transcripts" uncritically as a main source in its report; whether out of cynicism or unforgivable naivete is irrelevant. It's near impossible to tell on how many levels the CIA can be (and probably is) lying about the torture tapes. They may be lying about having certain prisoners in the first place, about who they really are and what, if anything, they really did. What did these prisoners tell interrogators and was it true? When conscience or the law finally bites, can the torturer at least claim the information was good? Were real interrogations recorded or were fake ones played for the camera? Were tapes destroyed or merely "disappeared," and either way, when and why? Cannon wonders whether the motive is to conceal the involvement of foreign agencies, like those of Israel or Saudi Arabia, in interrogations of U.S.-held prisoners. We wonder if some of the tapes will make the constructed nature of the official 9/11 fable a little too obvious. In the age of the Secret State we're all forced to play psychic: What do they want to hide?-----In the meantime, we've seen the decision by Holder to hold a civilian trial in New York, currently in the process of being overturned, most likely in favor of a military tribunal after all. Here's a different critical take from DU's Jackpine Radical:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... Everyone is missing Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's true message.Anyone who thinks his "inflated" confessions are merely the result of a swollen ego really doesn't get it. His exaggerated claims are a signal to the world that something is amiss. The following purposes come first to mind:1) His only way to signal the world that he is lying under duress is to confess to too much, in hopes that his inquisitors will report all his confessions, thereby inadvertently carrying his message for him. The desperate outcry of a desperate man.2) By adding false confessions to true ones he obscures the facts, feeding US intelligence disinformation and thereby hiding the gold among the dross.3) By confessing to things others have done, he takes the heat off them. No point in continuing to investigate an already "solved" case.In other words, he is continuing to fight with the only weapons he has.Here are KSM's confessions: The February 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center in New York CityA failed "shoe bomber" operationThe October 2002 attack in KuwaitThe nightclub bombing in Bali, IndonesiaA plan for a "second wave" of attacks on major U.S. landmarks after the 9/11 attacks, including the Library Tower in Los Angeles, the Sears Tower in Chicago, the Plaza Bank Building in Seattle and the Empire State Building in New YorkPlots to attack oil tankers and U.S. naval ships in the Straits of Hormuz, the Straits of Gibraltar and in SingaporeA plan to blow up the Panama CanalPlans to assassinate Jimmy CarterA plot to blow up suspension bridges in New York CityA plan to destroy the Sears Tower in Chicago with burning fuel trucksPlans to "destroy" Heathrow Airport, Canary Wharf and Big Ben in LondonA planned attack on "many" nightclubs in ThailandA plot targeting the New York Stock Exchange and other U.S. financial targetsA plan to destroy buildings in Eilat, IsraelPlans to destroy U.S. embassies in Indonesia, Australia and Japan in 2002.Plots to destroy Israeli embassies in India, Azerbaijan, the Philippines and AustraliaSurveying and financing an attack on an Israeli El-Al flight from BangkokSending several "mujahideen" into Israel to survey "strategic targets" with the intention of attacking themThe November 2002 suicide bombing of a hotel in Mombasa, KenyaThe failed attempt to shoot down an Israeli passenger jet leaving Mombasa airport in KenyaPlans to attack U.S. targets in South KoreaProviding financial support for a plan to attack U.S., British and Jewish targets in TurkeySurveillance of U.S. nuclear power plants in order to attack themA plot to attack NATO's headquarters in EuropePlanning and surveillance in a 1995 plan (the "Bojinka Operation") to bomb 12 American passenger jetsThe planned assassination attempt against then-U.S. President Bill Clinton during a mid-1990s trip to the Philippines."Shared responsibility" for a plot to kill Pope John Paul IIPlans to assassinate Pakistani President Pervez MusharrafAn attempt to attack a U.S. oil company in Sumatra, Indonesia, "owned by the Jewish former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger"The beheading of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel PearlSource: BBCFurther collection of "KSM" stories dating back to 2002:http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/WATKSMar...
