Most people here are pretty politically aware and have good knowledge of what is

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Toots  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Mar-16-10 08:42 AM
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Most people here are pretty politically aware and have good knowledge of what is going on, however
   
Edited on Tue Mar-16-10 08:44 AM by Toots
I see constant confusion in these posts of even what House is doing what. If a group like DU doesn't understand what is happening imagine how the ordinary America understands it..Almost every post on the Health Care Reform bill has people saying the exact opposite things..I never really realized just how complicated this whole mess was until I read posts from people that supposedly are paying attention..The word Reconciliation is confusing because it has two meanings, and people don't seem to understand that. There is reconciliation of House and Senate Bills into one Bill and then there is Budget reconciliation which is a process in the Senate ONLY where Budget issues might be passed with a simple majority. The Senate Health Care Bill has already been passed with a super majority.. It does not have to be voted on again.. The House can simply send that Bill to the Presidents desk for signing..It is a done deal..Nothing is being rammed down anyone's throat. However there are things in that Bill that House members do ot like. The normal procedure would be to reconcile the House Bill which already passed with the Senate Bill which already passed and then present the new Bill back to both Houses for another vote. Doing that though would allow Republicans to filibuster it and kill it dead. The only way now to prevent Republicans from killing the Health care Bill is to allow the Senate Bill to go to the President's desk for signing and then make the adjustments the House thinks would make the Bill better through the Budget Reconciliation process which can not be filibustered. Again I repeat, the House does not need to vote on the Senate Bill. It can go to the President's desk just as it is, and I am fairly certain it will.

 

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[USA4ME]

My goodness, this idiot is so confused it's pitiful.

Toots

The Senate Health Care Bill has already been passed with a super majority.. It does not have to be voted on again.

Yes, it does.  The House has to vote on the Senate Bill.

The House can simply send that Bill to the Presidents desk for signing.

After they vote to approve of it...... unchanged.

Nothing is being rammed down anyone's throat.

In the sense that the majority of citizens don't want it, yes, they are ramming it down our throats.

Again I repeat, the House does not need to vote on the Senate Bill. It can go to the President's desk just as it is, and I am fairly certain it will.

Yes, they do.  Why do you think they've been saying they need to get the votes?

Primitives are SO stupid.

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[Karin]

Skinner weighs in over there, but don't go over unless you have a large bottle of aspirin. 
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Jennicut  (1000+ posts)        Tue Mar-16-10 09:58 AM
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9. Which is why House members want Pelosi to use the "deem and pass" rule.
 I think it will all work but it is complicated and gives me a headache. Also, Rethugs used rules like deem and pass during W.'s era. So they have no leg up in this at all.

Is this true? 

[Chris]

It was used once in 2005 to raise the debt ceiling, not to pass legislation.

[Chris]

Toots  (1000+ posts)
Tue Mar-16-10 08:42 AM

If a group like DU doesn't understand what is happening imagine how the ordinary America understands it.

That's the funniest thing I've seen all day.  Oh, my sides.

[shadeaux]

BWAHAHAHAHA !!!!!

Idiots.

It is slowing dawning on them today this health care they want so badly will not be free.

I can't wait to hear the crying.  You buys your ticket, you takes the ride.

DUmmies.