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YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« on: March 15, 2010, 05:14:27 PM »
That's according to the outside of the 2010 Obama White House Census envelope I received today. They cite Title 13 of the U.S. Code, however Article 1, Section 2 of the supreme law of the land, otherwise known as the U.S. Constitution, the only information I am required to provide is the number of people living in my household. They have no right to invade my family's privacy.

It's also interesting to note that in the section about who NOT to count in your household, they make no mention of people without legal citizenship.
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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2010, 05:16:30 PM »
They have made it clear they want to count illegals as if they were citizens
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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2010, 05:28:21 PM »
Really seems like much ado about nothing.  They've obviously already got your name and address, given that much to start with for 95% of Americans, they can get about a hundred times more info than they're actually asking for from open sources on the innerwebz with a minimal amount of effort, if they were really trying to pry into your life.
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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2010, 08:47:33 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on March 15, 2010, 05:28:21 PM
Really seems like much ado about nothing.  They've obviously already got your name and address, given that much to start with for 95% of Americans, they can get about a hundred times more info than they're actually asking for from open sources on the innerwebz with a minimal amount of effort, if they were really trying to pry into your life.

True, however, that doesn't mean that we have to make it easy for them......nor should we provide more than Constitutionally required......

Largely they turn the data around and sell it to third parties for advertising and marketing purposes......if they want more, they can dig for it....

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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2010, 08:50:43 PM »
The one thing that really got me was the Race section.  Last time I checked, my race was Caucasian.  Not White.  White is a color, not a race.
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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2010, 08:55:17 PM »
Quote from: IassaFTots on March 15, 2010, 08:50:43 PM
The one thing that really got me was the Race section.  Last time I checked, my race was Caucasian.  Not White.  White is a color, not a race.

I checked "Other", and wrote in "American"......

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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2010, 09:03:49 PM »
Quote from: IassaFTots on March 15, 2010, 08:50:43 PM
The one thing that really got me was the Race section.  Last time I checked, my race was Caucasian.  Not White.  White is a color, not a race.

That is weird
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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2010, 09:10:52 PM »
Quote from: TVDOC on March 15, 2010, 08:55:17 PM
I checked "Other", and wrote in "American"......

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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2010, 02:16:37 AM »
I checked other and wrote in human. Hey they asked what race, not color or ethnicity? I also did not give them my phone number. I guess they will come knocking?
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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2010, 03:29:14 AM »
Well, if they want my skin color, I don't know how to describe it...off white, brown egg shell white, dirty pink, blotchie tan ......???????????
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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2010, 05:07:30 AM »
Quote from: IassaFTots on March 15, 2010, 08:50:43 PM
The one thing that really got me was the Race section.  Last time I checked, my race was Caucasian.  Not White.  White is a color, not a race.
How many people come from the Caucasus mountains anyway?
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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2010, 07:36:14 AM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on March 16, 2010, 05:07:30 AM
How many people come from the Caucasus mountains anyway?


People understand color.....

Wonder how many these days don't even know that they are Caucasian?

In the CE class I took a week or so ago....one of the things we discussed is that under the Fair Housing Act....race and color are two separate entities. For instance....African does not mean black. Or, how black is black? Obama is a perfect example. 
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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2010, 08:10:02 AM »
Quote from: debk on March 16, 2010, 07:36:14 AM

People understand color.....

Wonder how many these days don't even know that they are Caucasian?

In the CE class I took a week or so ago....one of the things we discussed is that under the Fair Housing Act....race and color are two separate entities. For instance....African does not mean black. Or, how black is black? Obama is a perfect example. 

That is my whole gripe.  Which is it?  Race, or Color?  How come our option is white, but the reds, yellows, browns, and blacks don't get a color too???

I am just being difficult.   :whatever:
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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2010, 08:39:18 AM »
Quote from: IassaFTots on March 16, 2010, 08:10:02 AM
That is my whole gripe.  Which is it?  Race, or Color?  How come our option is white, but the reds, yellows, browns, and blacks don't get a color too???

I am just being difficult.   :whatever:

No you aren't.

Your point was part of our discussion also.

Speaking from the standpoint of the Fair Housing Act it has been amended many times over the years.

Basically, people cannot be discriminated with regard to race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status or national origin.

It has been amended to "race, color and national origin" because over the years....each term has altered it's meaning.

First it was just race....because it was a white or black issue after slavery ended.

Then color was added....because it wasn't such a white/black issue. Asians and Native American Indians were being discriminated against.

Then national origin was added....in order to make sure if one didn't get it (understand that people cannot be discriminated against) as far as race or color was considered...then maybe national origin would clarify.

Just for clarification....sex does not refer to hetero/homosexuality...it refers to male/female.

At this point in time....sexual preference has not yet been explicitly specified, though that is probably going to happen. It is sort of covered under familial status - what constitutes a family unit....but not gender specific.



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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2010, 08:42:18 AM »
Quote from: debk on March 16, 2010, 08:39:18 AM
No you aren't.

Your point was part of our discussion also.

Speaking from the standpoint of the Fair Housing Act it has been amended many times over the years.

Basically, people cannot be discriminated with regard to race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status or national origin.

It has been amended to "race, color and national origin" because over the years....each term has altered it's meaning.

First it was just race....because it was a white or black issue after slavery ended.

Then color was added....because it wasn't such a white/black issue. Asians and Native American Indians were being discriminated against.

Then national origin was added....in order to make sure if one didn't get it (understand that people cannot be discriminated against) as far as race or color was considered...then maybe national origin would clarify.

Just for clarification....sex does not refer to hetero/homosexuality...it refers to male/female.

At this point in time....sexual preference has not yet been explicitly specified, though that is probably going to happen. It is sort of covered under familial status - what constitutes a family unit....but not gender specific.





I wasn't necessarily meaning I was being difficult here, per se.  I have been "difficult" about this for a whole long time.  Ask my Mama.   :-) 

The whole thing is just so darned stupid. 
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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2010, 08:51:42 AM »
GO TO HELL....Hey, it's a response.
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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2010, 08:53:23 AM »
Quote from: IassaFTots on March 16, 2010, 08:42:18 AM
I wasn't necessarily meaning I was being difficult here, per se.  I have been "difficult" about this for a whole long time.  Ask my Mama.   :-) 

The whole thing is just so darned stupid. 


I agree.
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Save the Earth... it's the only planet with chocolate.

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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2010, 10:00:05 AM »
Here's my response:

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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2010, 11:00:56 AM »
If you check your state's criminal registry, Hispanics are listed under "Race-White". Ethnicity is either Hispanic or Non-Hispanic. 
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Risk Level HIGH   
Ending Registration Date 3/2/2026
Verification Requirement ANNUALLY   
Sex MALE   
Race WHITE   
Ethnicity HISPANIC   
Height 5'5"   
Weight 199 lbs   
Hair Color BROWN   
Eye Color BROWN   
Shoe Size 8.5   
Shoe Width D   

 
Risk Level MODERATE   
Ending Registration Date NON-EXPIRE   
Verification Requirement ANNUALLY   
Sex MALE   
Race BLACK   
Ethnicity NON-HISPANIC   
Height 6'1"   
Weight 231 lbs   
Hair Color BLACK   
Eye Color BROWN   
Shoe Size 11.5   
Shoe Width UNKNOWN   

Risk Level MODERATE   
Ending Registration Date NON-EXPIRE   
Verification Requirement QUARTERLY   
Sex MALE   
Race ASIAN   
Ethnicity HISPANIC   
Height 5'7"   
Weight 215 lbs   
Hair Color BLACK   
Eye Color BROWN   
Shoe Size UNKNOWN   
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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2010, 09:58:03 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on March 15, 2010, 05:28:21 PM
Really seems like much ado about nothing.  They've obviously already got your name and address

They don't have my name.  The envelope came addressed to "The resident at."
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« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2010, 10:43:09 PM »
We don't have mail service out here, so I reckon we'll get a personal visit. The dogs need the exercise, anyhow.
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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2010, 08:49:39 AM »
Quote from: jinxmchue on March 16, 2010, 09:58:03 PM
They don't have my name.  The envelope came addressed to "The resident at."

Yup. Mine too.

I filled the damned thing out yesterday and mailed it in. I coulda been a prick, but rather than see one of those bullshit census takers at my door gesturing at my  :bs:  :bird: indications on the stupid thing, I opted to just answer the questions.

Yeah, I caved in.  :rotf:
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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2010, 05:41:45 AM »
I filled mine out yesterday.
Turns out the Business family lives at this address.  There's Nunya, Nunya Jr. and the lady of the house Aintyur.



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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2010, 07:43:59 AM »
Quote from: ScubaGuy on March 18, 2010, 05:41:45 AM
I filled mine out yesterday.
Turns out the Business family lives at this address.  There's Nunya, Nunya Jr. and the lady of the house Aintyur.


 :rotf:  +1

Expect a knock on the door from some ruffian who can barely speak English, demanding to know who "Aintyur" is.  :lmao:
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Re: YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2010, 01:20:50 PM »
I've inspired at least one other person to supply only the number of people in their household.   :hi5:
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