Will Obama outlaw fishing?? (not to be confused with that other thing)

[The Village Idiot]

http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/saltwater/news/story?id=4975762

This is an excerpt....

The Obama administration will accept no more public input for a federal strategy that could prohibit U.S. citizens from fishing the nation's oceans, coastal areas, Great Lakes, and even inland waters.

This announcement comes at the time when the situation supposedly still is "fluid" and the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force still hasn't issued its final report on zoning uses of these waters.

That's a disappointment, but not really a surprise for fishing industry insiders who have negotiated for months with officials at the Council on Environmental Quality and bureaucrats on the task force. These angling advocates have come to suspect that public input into the process was a charade from the beginning.

Click here for archive"When the World Wildlife Fund (WWF) and International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW) completed their successful campaign to convince the Ontario government to end one of the best scientifically managed big game hunts in North America (spring bear), the results of their agenda had severe economic impacts on small family businesses and the tourism economy of communities across northern and central Ontario," said Phil Morlock, director of environmental affairs for Shimano.

[Odin's Hand]

Like I said when this story was posted here elsewhere a few months ago, that it a pretty effective way to get a whole lot of otherwise apathetic voters extremely angry at your administration.

[The Village Idiot]

Like I said when this story was posted here elsewhere a few months ago, that it a pretty effective way to get a whole lot of otherwise apathetic voters extremely angry at your administration.

Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Ban him from fishing and you have him dependent for life.

[Odin's Hand]

Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Ban him from fishing and you have him dependent for life.

Enforcement of the policy will be a match to a powderkeg.

[thundley4]

Banning fishing would result in the loss of several thousands of jobs at least, then there is the amount of money that states make off of fishing licenses, and the sales taxes of fishing equipment, boat sales/licenses. The list is almost endless.

[JohnnyReb]

Oh please stop everybody from fishing anywhere any time....... Then what will those gummint check getters do for entertainment....

Obama will be lucky to get 5% of the vote then...Oh this is just to much to hope for.

[The Village Idiot]

Enforcement of the policy will be a match to a powderkeg.

http://fdralloveragain.blogspot.com/2009/03/soon-illegal-to-grow-your-own-food.html

They want to ban gardening too.

And we all know they'd like to ban hunting.

Yes, they want everyone to be dependent.

[The Village Idiot]

Banning fishing would result in the loss of several thousands of jobs at least, then there is the amount of money that states make off of fishing licenses, and the sales taxes of fishing equipment, boat sales/licenses. The list is almost endless.

The money will be spent elsewhere and taxed elsewhere. I guess thats how they figure it.

Its about control.

[Thor]

Perhaps that's why there are  some articles about 0bama approaching the UN and asking for NATO forces to come to the US to help enforce martial law instead of US troops. In doing that, he bypasses Posse Comitatus. Then there was the excuse that our own troops were otherwise occupied with the Middle East.

[The Village Idiot]

Perhaps that's why there are  some articles about 0bama approaching the UN and asking for NATO forces to come to the US to help enforce martial law instead of US troops. In doing that, he bypasses Posse Comitatus. Then there was the excuse that our own troops were otherwise occupied with the Middle East.

exactly. I am sure Obama would still have at least 43% support too. lol.

[DumbAss Tanker]

"Might even affect some freshwater fisheries" is kind of a long way from "Obama will outlaw all fishing," really.

[thundley4]

"Might even affect some freshwater fisheries" is kind of a long way from "Obama will outlaw all fishing," really.

His EPA currently wants to change the Clean Water Restoration Act, to give the federal government control of all waters, not just navigable waters as it is now. So I can see why people might think this administration wants to ban fishing.

[Tess Anderson]

They're trying to do it incrementally in an another attempt to negate self-sufficiency, but this is a fight they'll be sorry they picked.

[DumbAss Tanker]

His EPA currently wants to change the Clean Water Restoration Act, to give the federal government control of all waters, not just navigable waters as it is now. So I can see why people might think this administration wants to ban fishing.

This is gonna sound like a bunch of technical legalese, but until they lost a case about it not very long ago, from the beginning of the CWA, EPA defined 'Navigable waters' so broadly that it included every year-round watercourse and their first intermittent tributaries as 'Navigable.'  In trying to pull in all waters under the CWRA, they are really just trying to get themselves back in that position, NOT that I think they should be allowed to do that. 

It's ultimately the Fish & Wildlife service in the Department of the Interior that would control fishing except to the extent EPA could show fishing was actually a polluting use, even then they can't pull that rabbit out of the hat by themselves, and it gets into some very hazy but touchy issues of Federal/State relations to boot. 

[thundley4]

This is gonna sound like a bunch of technical legalese, but until they lost a case about it not very long ago, from the beginning of the CWA, EPA defined 'Navigable waters' so broadly that it included every year-round watercourse and their first intermittent tributaries as 'Navigable.'  In trying to pull in all waters under the CWRA, they are really just trying to get themselves back in that position, NOT that I think they should be allowed to do that. 

It's ultimately the Fish & Wildlife service in the Department of the Interior that would control fishing except to the extent EPA could show fishing was actually a polluting use, even then they can't pull that rabbit out of the hat by themselves, and it gets into some very hazy but touchy issues of Federal/State relations to boot. 

I had read where under the revised CWA, that it would cover even landlocked ponds on farms, and even quarry pits.

Just a thought, but could the EPA ban fishing, if most fish were declared to be contaminated?  More and more recommendations about freshwater fish consumption come out all the time in Illinois.

[Lacarnut]

Perhaps that's why there are  some articles about 0bama approaching the UN and asking for NATO forces to come to the US to help enforce martial law instead of US troops. 

If that ever happens, the UN better have a shit pot of mortuaries set up around the country.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Thundley4, the first paragraph is definitely their present intent.  F'in' stupid, isn't it? 

The second wouldn't really work as an approach since the 'Contaminated' fish is already in the water they are supposedly protecting, so forbidding removal of them isn't logically connected to the policy end they are allowed to pursue.  I suppose they could try to forbid consumption of them, but I don't think they'd get real far with that since it's more of an HHS/Surgeon General issue even if they made a case for it.

[thundley4]

I suppose they could try to forbid consumption of them, but I don't think they'd get real far with that since it's more of an HHS/Surgeon General issue even if they made a case for it.

Lord Zero doesn't seem to have a problem moving controlling legal authority between agencies .  Think about  moving control of the Census around.

[rich_t]

If that ever happens, the UN better have a shit pot of mortuaries set up around the country.

Indeed.

The UN will very quickly see that American citizens are simply NOT the kind of pussies that they are used to dealing with in our politicians.

[Crazy Horse]

"Might even affect some freshwater fisheries" is kind of a long way from "Obama will outlaw all fishing," really.

Agree.....................BUT,

The government has been banning fishing for quite some time under the guise of sustainability, rebuilding, whatever all those damn tree huggin fish kissin damn eco terrorist that are now inhabiting NOAA, USFWS and ****ing PEW, WWF and the turtle humpining enviro weenies.

Did you know that the green sea turtle is listed under the ESA, yet I can go to another country and their on the menu. Also the way they count the turtle population (in coastal NC) is by nesting turtles.............wouldn't that leave out the other sex? IN other words they ain't got a ****ing clue.

A dead turtle floated into a fishing net it's chalked up as a being killed by the net, same with porpoises...........hell the came up with the population of them by flying the coast.....kinda and using what they saw and counted as the population.

Shit they just caught the top NOAA cop shredding office documents when an investigation was started..........yet he's still working and has one pissed off NC RINO on his ass right now, cause NC is being treated unfairly compared to all others.

Ever heard of MPA's (Marine Protected Areas) ??? That right there will be how they ban near and offshore fishing. See first they go after the commercials..........damn talk about a dying breed of man/woman......by regulation. It's in the liberal playbook, demonize and make insignificant. Shit there are states that have bluefish and Summer Flounder quotas because of North Carolina.....shit I think NC boats are the majority in the northeast Sea Scallops.  I think to get a Snapper/Grouper federal permit you have to buy two existing permits to get one, about 10k+ for each permit. Yet they are closing ground and making catch limits that are nothing on "The Best Available Science" other words eco terrorist word for bullshit. They closed  fishery due to observer data..........yet none of the people in the fishery and on the MAFMC an SAMFC........that cause they never went on a boat to gather this data.

Next they'll come after the recreational with this bullshit in the Mangnuon Stevens Act that puts a 2 year moratorium or overfishing must end time line.  A 10 year rebuilt and recovered.............****ing spiny dogfish, the horndogs of the fish n chips fame takes over 10 years just to reach sexual maturity. Southern Flounder size limits get raised, so once they go past 14 inches everyone is fishing on females.....that's really gonna help

Screw it I could go on forever on this, but yes, the liberals are trying their best to outlaw fishing.............one little bird shut down the greatest surf fishing spot forever and closed off over 300 miles of shoreline on the Outer Banks and damn 65 miles is uninhabited

[vesta111]

I wonder how they are going to classify all milk products and eggs.?

A big surprise to me was this sleepy little town on the coast and quite a few people are raising chickens.  No Roosters so as not to disturb the neighbors.

[Javelin]

http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/saltwater/news/story?id=4975762

This is an excerpt....

The Obama administration will accept no more public input for a federal strategy that could prohibit U.S. citizens from fishing the nation's oceans, coastal areas, Great Lakes, and even inland waters.

This announcement comes at the time when the situation supposedly still is "fluid" and the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force still hasn't issued its final report on zoning uses of these waters.

The irony I see in this... gun owners (and I am one in a really huge way lol) believed that Obama would jump off targeting us first.  What does he go after?  Fish......

Go figure.

I dont mean to take away from the seriousness of the topic.  Its a huge power grab that has major implications.  Yet it also shows another side of the picture, there is nothing that this fool will not hesitate to screw up.  Before this is all over we will need a lawyer and permits to plant corn in our backyard with inspectors to ensure we dont kill any ants in the process.  By this time of course guns will be history, if we dont revolt with them first lol.

[The Village Idiot]

Did you not hear about the Food Safety Act of 2009??

The Congresscritter who proposed it has a husband who works for Monsanto.