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Dead Ted and NCLB
« on: March 02, 2010, 08:44:04 PM »
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berni_mccoy   (1000+ posts)             Tue Mar-02-10 03:58 PM
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Something Many DUers Aren't Going To Like Or Want To Admit   
   
The current accountability in education was brought to you by... Ted Kennedy. Yes, that is correct, the liberal lion of the senate shepherded NCLB through Congress with strong support from both Democrats and Republicans. So, when you find yourself outraged because President Obama agrees with this liberally supported concept, you might want to direct your outrage on those who passed NCLB.

Because a community who fired, not just the teachers, but the management as well, for failing their children only 7% whom which could pass the state math competency test, is applying a liberally supported law in doing so. But if it makes you feel better to call Obama a union buster, you can find another site to pass that falsehood around.

Obama is one of the most pro-union Presidents of all time, who signed several pro-union executive orders in his first two months putting union work in the forefront of government contracting, which when coupled with his stimulus plan, supported union workers like no other President has in decades. Let's also remember that he promoted and signed Lilly Ledbetter as well as supported minimum wage increases. So, please, take your union-busting fallacies elsewhere.

What happened in Rhode Island had nothing to do with unions and everything to do with a failed education system. And Obama is right to side with the children and thier parents of the community who acted through liberally supported legislation to change it.
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arbusto_baboso   (1000+ posts)           Tue Mar-02-10 04:00 PM
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1. That is true. However when NCLB passed, it was with the understanding...
   
that it actually would be funded by the Fed. It was just one of many, many times when the Bushies flat-out lied to us.

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Statistical   (1000+ posts)           Tue Mar-02-10 04:14 PM
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14. Here is one thing I don't get. Doesn't congress control funding?
   
Obama hasn't "funded" NCLB because he can't just like Bush can't.

Congress passed NCLB with no way to pay for it and every year that goes by tries to pretend it doesn't exist and they aren't responsible.

I am tired of this kind of crap from both parties.

You pass it, you fund it.

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arbusto_baboso   (1000+ posts)           Tue Mar-02-10 04:19 PM
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15. It was passed by a Republican majorty.
   
Once Dems gained the majority, the monies no longer existed to fully fund it.

Place the blame where it belongs, please.
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berni_mccoy   (1000+ posts)             Tue Mar-02-10 04:26 PM
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19. With large support from Liberal Democrats. Passed with more than 90 votes in the Senate   
   
And more than 350 in the House
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Statistical   (1000+ posts)           Tue Mar-02-10 04:38 PM
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26. Thanks. Information is power.
   
So why didn't they require it to be funded?
Why didn't they revisit the issue when it was apparent the unfunded mandate was wrecking local budgets?

Giving politicians a pass because they have a (D) next to their name pinning all the blame of the (R) is part of the reason political crap like this happens.

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tonysam   (1000+ posts)           Tue Mar-02-10 05:18 PM
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50. Kennedy didn't create NCLB. It was Bush and it was based on the Texas
   
model.

Let's quit spreading falsehoods about NCLB and public education and claiming Democrats were behind it. Obama is on the WRONG side on this issue.

People need to quit being so invested in a politician and see him for what he is and that's a raging neoliberal.

Truth hurts, doesn't it?  Dead Ted is the cause of so much misery for teaches and their unions, but you can't admit it.

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Re: Dead Ted and NCLB
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2010, 08:50:04 PM »
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arbusto_baboso   (1000+ posts)           Tue Mar-02-10 04:19 PM
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15. It was passed by a Republican majorty.
   
Once Dems gained the majority, the monies no longer existed to fully fund it.

Place the blame where it belongs, please.

That is just idiotic (surprise) as O spent how much of the so called stimulus money on keeping teachers employed?


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Re: Dead Ted and NCLB
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2010, 09:00:33 PM »
Oh my.

It's about time the primitives acknowledged this.

NCLB was passed in the summer of 2001, after having been pushed since the early 1970s by dead ted.

When the Democrats overwhelmingly controlled both Congress and the White House (1977-1981), dead ted couldn't get it going.  Despite dead ted's popularity, even Democrats didn't like it.

dead ted pushed it every single year for 25 years, no luck.

After George Bush was elected in 2000, despite that Alphonse Capote Gore almost managed to steal Florida, he sought to make some peace with Democrats, starting with dead ted.

This was perhaps the biggest mistake of the Bush presidency.

His aides argued against it, pointing out that there were other liberal Democrats he could seek to placate, but that nothing short of Bush committing hari kari would placate dead ted.

But no, Bush pushed on; he was going to placate dead ted.

Well, the Democrats hadn't liked NCLB the past 25 years, and the Republicans liked it even less.  But Bush persisted, twisting congressional arms, and so the bill finally passed.  dead ted was at the White House for the signing.

About a month or so later, 9-11 happened, and everybody forgot about this.

Much to his dismay, Bush learned that this giving this "gift" had profited him not at all; dead ted was about as grateful as a viper in the bosom, in fact increasing in his criticism and scorn of Bush.

August 2001 was the last time dead ted was ever inside the White House, unless he paid a visit after January 20, 2009.

No good deed goes unpunished, but one wishes Bush had learned that lesson from watching others, rather than from personally experiencing it.  
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Re: Dead Ted and NCLB
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2010, 09:09:44 PM »
DUmbasses might want to update the rightist propaganda site, Wikipedia:

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The No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 (Pub.L. 107-110, 115 Stat. 1425, enacted January 8, 2002),[1] often abbreviated in print as NCLB and sometimes shortened in pronunciation to "nicklebee",[2] is a United States Act of Congress that was originally proposed by the administration of President George W. Bush immediately after taking office.[3] The bill, shepherded through the Senate by Senator Ted Kennedy, one of the bill's sponsors...

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Re: Dead Ted and NCLB
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2010, 09:21:29 PM »
DUmbasses might want to update the rightist propaganda site, Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act

Pretty sure the President doesn't propose bills.

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Re: Dead Ted and NCLB
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2010, 01:06:51 AM »
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22. What, Bernie, if Teddy did it that means it is auto-righteous?
 Best remember that. Teddy's largest impact on my local political life was when he challenged the sitting Democratic President all the way to the convention floor. And if Teddy did it, it is auto-great, right Bernie? That means this Union busting, anti equality waste of space can be replaced with the full support of people such as yourself.
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Re: Dead Ted and NCLB
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2010, 06:41:15 AM »
Pretty sure the President doesn't propose bills.
Actually he can "propose" laws but it takes a member of the HoR or senate to introduce the bill on his behalf for formal consideration and even then it bears the member's name. Budget requests are a good example; HillaryCare is another.

Even then it does nothing to alleviate the DUmbasses of the historical fact that NCLB was introduced by Kennedy long before Bush ever ran for president.
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Re: Dead Ted and NCLB
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2010, 07:35:24 AM »
Oh my.

It's about time the primitives acknowledged this.

As was predicted by every conservative here, once a D got in office the same things they railed on about Bush are now off-limits.  If they can't prove their hypocracy everyday, they really have no reason to get up in the morning.

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Re: Dead Ted and NCLB
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2010, 07:49:23 AM »
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onysam   (1000+ posts)           Tue Mar-02-10 05:18 PM
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50. Kennedy didn't create NCLB. It was Bush and it was based on the Texas
   
model.

Let's quit spreading falsehoods about NCLB and public education and claiming Democrats were behind it. Obama is on the WRONG side on this issue.

People need to quit being so invested in a politician and see him for what he is and that's a raging neoliberal.

Now, this guy is just full of horse manure! What Texas model, pray tell? As far as I know, it never existed until "W" tried to "reach across the aisle" to dead ted. DUmbest thing he ever did!
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Re: Dead Ted and NCLB
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2010, 09:38:17 AM »


So the other day, Satan was walking around, taking in all the suffering in hell.  He noticed a rotund old guy sweating and shoveling coal, and decided he wasn't suffering enough.
He leaned close, whispered in the guy's ear:
"Hey, Teddy, guess what? I hear a Republican got your senate seat!"

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Re: Dead Ted and NCLB
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2010, 09:47:30 AM »
As far as I know, it never existed until "W" tried to "reach across the aisle" to dead ted. DUmbest thing he ever did!

Yeah, he had kind of a learning disability that way.
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