I want to say something about accountability and I'll probably be blown up for i

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Skidmore  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Mar-02-10 08:16 AM
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I want to say something about accountability and I'll probably be blown up for it.
   
Edited on Tue Mar-02-10 08:20 AM by Skidmore
I trained and worked for many years in the counseling field. My background included practice as well as policy and program development and implentation, and I had the opportunity to work closely with physicians, psychologists, attorneys, and teachers. I met many very professional and excellent people in all of those fields who were willing to work together to help others. However, I have also met some real stinkers who were incompetent and incapable of doing the best job possible to provide the optimal amount of benefit to those they were serving. Personally, I have tried to do my best to act as an advocate for the person when those professional standards of care have not been met by a member of the treatment team and was a whistleblower at one point when I observed financial and care abuses occurring (there was a court case which was won by our side). This background has been provided to assure folks that I'm not just disgrunted country grandma sitting back lobbing complaints.


Whether you are talking about a professional organization for which professionals have mandated membership or a union, it has been my experience that those organizations do not weed these people out effectively. You can run the gamut of reasons for inadequate policing of ranks, they just don't fly. Accountability needs to have teeth, especially because inadequate redress of problems facing those who must receive these services will never occur. I have personal knowledge of a doctor in the area who was known to be incompetent and was protected in his position for decades and was only turned out after he killed someone. I have known teachers as well who had no business being in those jobs, and I've seen other counseling practitioners more interested in what their clients could do for them than what they could provide for their clients. In my personal life, I had the experience of needing to deal with a teacher who believed that because my son's first language was not English, he was incapable of learning anything. He's now an engineer in spite of that teacher's unwillingness to do her job. My advocacy for my child finally moved him to another classroom and at time when it was crucial for him to recieve the extra attention. There were other children in that class who had similar backgrounds who undoubtedly were treated by her in the same way.


The bottom line is that no profession should be above accountability, and I firmly believe that the accountability for every profession should not be left entirely to the members of that profession--that every ethics board should have community representatives on it, and that the "stinkers" should be eliminated. I would daresay that any person working in these professions can name people who deserve to be ousted from those professions early and have not been. The main point of this thread is to lay on the table that no organization or profession is so sacrosanct that it or its institutions or members cannot be held to be beyond reproach or scrutiny--not Wall Street financiers nor corporate executives/boards nor helping professionals. We have an obligation to be stewards of our institutions as well.

Flame away.

Burn baby burn.  

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7824459

[The Village Idiot]

Its the opposite in real socialist countries like Cuba and Venezuela where anyone can do any job and there is no such thing as competence.

Just like Ayn Rand said would happen, those countries flounder.

[USA4ME]

And if Bush had said he approved of that school in RI firing the principal and the teachers, the skidmark primitive would have been screaming bloody murder.  Now ,suddenly, because Dear Leader approves, it's OK.  It's because of this obvious hypocracy that they can never be believed.

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[DumbAss Tanker]

Whether you are talking about a professional organization for which professionals have mandated membership or a union, it has been my experience that those organizations do not weed these people out effectively.

Well, he hit the nail on the head there.

[Karin]

From the thread, certainly in the running for the stupidest post of the day:

ipaint (1000+ posts)      Tue Mar-02-10 08:33 AM
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4. Yes. 
 I've read the same baloney from republicans for decades making excuses for punishing good people for policies republicans created specifically to destroy a public institution or democratic social program.

I'm all for accountability but not when it is blindly applied to forward backward conservative policies.

Even a DUmmie called ipaint out on it.  "What the hell does that mean?" 

[JohnnyReb]

Well, he hit the nail on the head there.

Want to see a licensed contractor lose his license for shoddy work ?????

Tell him not to pay the renewal fees.

Probably works the same way for those groups she mentioned.

[Mike220]

Bye bye Skid Row. 

[Duchess]

From the thread, certainly in the running for the stupidest post of the day:
 

Even a DUmmie called ipaint out on it.  "What the hell does that mean?" 

How can he be all for accountability, when he thinks it's unfair that it was applied to a case where 70-something percent of students are failing? If this isn't the time to apply accountability, there can never be a time. What do the teachers have to do, commit statutory rape? Oops!

[delilahmused]

Every time I see Skidmore, I think drunk, homeless bum because when I was growing up the Skidmore was where they hung out.

Cindie

[thundley4]

Every time I see Skidmore, I think drunk, homeless bum because when I was growing up the Skidmore was where they hung out.

Cindie

It reminds me of what we called the Skidmore Skanks in Saratoga Springs.

[AllosaursRus]

It reminds me of what we called the Skidmore Skanks in Saratoga Springs.

In Denver, where I went to high schrool, it was called "Skid Row".

[blitzkrieg_17]

Bouncy, obviously. But I do agree with this:

The bottom line is that no profession should be above accountability

That'll get a TS.

[miskie]

That'll get a TS.

Maybe not - remember, the primitives worship His Oneness - his word is law. Since Obama has declared the mass firing of these teachers from the school administration down a good thing, it is okay to voice approval on the island.

Even though it contradicts everything the primitives were about just a few short weeks ago.

Obama's thoughts and desires today are the primitives only thoughts and desires - What Obama wants today is what the primitives have always wanted.

[Reality vs DU]

A suprising number of DUmmies agree with the concept of accountability in this thread.  Then hell stops freezing and gets back to burning...

NNN0LHI   (1000+ posts)           Tue Mar-02-10 07:04 PM
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17. When the War Crimes trials begin for Bush/Cheney, etc. get back to me about ...
   
... "no organization or profession is so sacrosanct that it or its institutions or members cannot be held to be beyond reproach or scrutiny."

Until then this is all bullshit. Sounds nice. All platitudes do. Still bullshit.

Don

Keep dreaming Don, it will never happen.

[jukin]

How can he be all for accountability, when he thinks it's unfair that it was applied to a case where 70-something percent of students are failing? If this isn't the time to apply accountability, there can never be a time. What do the teachers have to do, commit statutory rape? Oops!

Using Stimulus logic, it would have been mush worse without these fine, outstanding, and altruistic teachers doing it all for the children.