Cracked bell- obama agrees with socialist teacher firings

[Tucker]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7820533

Hannah Bell  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Mar-01-10 04:27 PM
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Obama Agrees With Firings At RI's Central Falls
   
Edited on Mon Mar-01-10 04:29 PM by Hannah Bell
President Barack Obama says a Rhode Island school that recently fired its principal and all its teachers is an example of how there needs to be accountability.

He made the comments Monday in Washington at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. He called for "accountability" if a school continually fails its students without improvement. "If a school continues to fail its students year after year after year, if it doesn't show signs of improvement, then there's got to be a sense of accountability."

Obama said that's exactly what happened at Central Falls High School in Rhode Island. He called the school "chronically troubled" – pointing out that just 7 percent of 11th graders passed state math tests. "When a school board wasn't able to deliver change by other means, they voted to lay off faculty and staff. As my Education Secretary Arne Duncan says, our kids get only one chance at an education and we need to do it right."

http://wbztv.com/local/central.falls.high.2.1528415.htm...



and counterpoint:

The President went to the center for national socialism, the U. S. Chamber of Commerce, today to announce a new take-names-and-kick-ass accountability plan.

No, no, no-- don't worry. The new tough measures are not about holding corporations accountable for ruining the economy, and it is not about holding Wall Street accountable for the leeches and banksters who got deliriously wealthy on the backs of American workers and homeowners, and it is not about holding Congress or the White House accountable for letting the insurance and pharmaceutical companies rape sick Americans with impunity, and it is not about holding the credit card companies accountable for blocking consumer protections or fair lending reforms.

Mr. Obama has some REAL accountability in mind for which there is ample bipartisan support: he and the Oligarchs want to fire the principals and teachers in America's poorest public schools for not solving the poverty problem that American corporations and government continue to ignore to the point of not even mentioning it--

--all the while mouthing cynical bromides about motivating test-choked and impoverished high schoolers to stay in segregated medium security facilities for some more tests and career-building exercises and inventories...

http://www.schoolsmatter.info /

AngryAmish  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Mar-01-10 04:29 PM
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1. ka-boom!
   
heads sure are loud

LOL. Heads splodin.

brentspeak  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Mar-01-10 04:30 PM
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5. Barack "Wall Street" Obama
   
No one -- repeat, no one -- will out-Ronald Reagan him.

Bluebear  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Mar-01-10 04:30 PM
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6. Union buster.

c brand  (66 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Mar-01-10 04:32 PM
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8. Obama: Teachers bad. Bankers good.

MadHound  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Mar-01-10 04:36 PM
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11. Well of course he does, one has but to look at his education policies and appointments to see that
   
This is simply more confirmation that Obama is ready to take the destruction of our public school system further than his predecessor Bush.

The way we're going we're going to wind up with a three tier education system, private, elite quality schools for the rich and elite, private charter schools that do a crappy job for most of the the population, and a totally stripped carcass of a public school system that does horribly for the poorest among us.

Teachers will get paid much less than they are now, which means that only the worst teachers will stay in the profession because they can't get a job anywhere else.

Dumbing down our nation before our eyes, and sadly there are people who will cheer this on because it is being done by a Democrat.

Mad Dog is another pro union educator.

madrchsod  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Mar-01-10 04:38 PM
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12.  barack just put another nail in the coffin of union support
   
http://www.pslweb.org/site/News2/1499632738?page=NewsAr...

the unions are not happy with barack.....but as rahm says...we don`t need them and of course-who else are they going to vote for?

and for those who do`t like socialist publications....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

but i doubt it really matters what the truth is.

berni_mccoy  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Mar-01-10 04:54 PM
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15. How do the people responding to this post go from...
   
How do the people responding to this post above go from Teachers and Schools not doing their job (according to the article, the schools failed to perform or even file teacher/school performance records as required by law; they were warned to file them and still failed to do so) and the STATE laying off the failing teachers/schools to Obama being a union buster?

There is no logic that gets you from failed teachers to that conclusion.

There was a problem there. The STATE of RI had no other option. The teachers can even reapply at schools that will be absorbing the kids.

ONLY SEVEN PERCENT OF THE KIDS were passing the STATE MATH TEST.

Obama is right to agree with the STATE on this issue.

Dirty stinking rethug.

aquart  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Mar-01-10 04:54 PM
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16. He never had a union job in his life, did he?
   
Who was there to teach him what it means? His mother? His father? His grandparents? How was he to learn what the rest of us know?

I love to see them in melt down mode. They're so cute when they get their dander up.

[Duchess]

I really don't know who to root against in this instance. I despise the teacher's union, but I don't have much respect for immigrants who won't learn English, or make sure their kids speak and read it, or make sure they do their homework, and motivate them to take advantage of a free public education, which they probably couldn't have gotten wherever they came from.

[Duchess]

And HOW did anyone "get wealthy on the backs" of people who defaulted on mortgages they were never eligible to have in the first place, using standard common sense criteria?

[The Village Idiot]

aquart  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Mar-01-10 04:54 PM
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16. He never had a union job in his life, did he?

fixed

[chitownchica]

I absolutely loath this administration, but I feel a momentary spark of admiration whenever they send the DUmbos into the depths of despair.  

[GOBUCKS]

I really don't know who to root against in this instance. I despise the teacher's union, but I don't have much respect for immigrants who won't learn English, or make sure their kids speak and read it, or make sure they do their homework, and motivate them to take advantage of a free public education, which they probably couldn't have gotten wherever they came from.

Teachers' union =  democrat party
democrat party = facilitating the flood of illegal Mexicans, hoping to give them the vote
Flood of illegal Mexicans = Failed public schools
Failed public schools = Teachers' union

It's safe to root against anyone involved in this mess.
And it isn't just the illegal Mexicans who don't learn English.
The rest of the school speaks ebonics.

[thundley4]

And it isn't just the illegal Mexicans who don't learn English.
The rest of the school speaks ebonics.

I wonder how many of the kids are children of illegals and how many are here legally.  Oh wait, the ones that came here legally probably moved out of the district because they want their kids to learn.

[Duchess]

Teachers' union =  democrat party
democrat party = facilitating the flood of illegal Mexicans, hoping to give them the vote
Flood of illegal Mexicans = Failed public schools
Failed public schools = Teachers' union

It's safe to root against anyone involved in this mess.
And it isn't just the illegal Mexicans who don't learn English.
The rest of the school speaks ebonics.

You're right, no law says I can't root against them all. I wish we had the freedom in this country to do whatever is within our own earned or inherited means to educate our children to the best standard we can, and NOT be forced to continue to fund those who just don't care. If they don't want to be qualified for anything better than digging ditches, let them grow up to dig ditches. It's a shame that classical education is archaic now-there was more to it than just learning dead languages-that kind of education produced the giants in history, the likes of which no longer exist. And if parents can't homeschool, I think gender-segregated education worked better.

[debk]

I heard a news bite on this earlier.....

"President Obama spoke today at ------- and said that if schools can't perform to ----- standard's, then either all the teachers will be fired or the schools would be closed".


That was all the news bite said at the time...I think it was ABC as that was what channel I had on.

Coming right out and saying the schools would be closed ...if in fact that's what he actually said....is extreme.
It's also going to create any number of resulting problems.

Perhaps examining tenure and those having it would be a better place to start..

[crockspot]

I really don't know who to root against in this instance. I despise the teacher's union, but I don't have much respect for immigrants who won't learn English, or make sure their kids speak and read it, or make sure they do their homework, and motivate them to take advantage of a free public education, which they probably couldn't have gotten wherever they came from.

The point is that the DUmmies are in a lather. Nothing else really matters.

[Tucker]

Well the Detroit Public School system has a graduation rate of 21%. The teachers still have a job so the students must be on top of the public school rating scale.

[happy1ga]

Heck, if he busts the teacher's union and fires crappy teachers, I might have to respect him, a little. But just a little.

[dandi]

quart  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Mar-01-10 04:54 PM
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16. He never had a union job in his life, did he?
   
Who was there to teach him what it means? His mother? His father? His grandparents? How was he to learn what the rest of us know?

**** a union.

[Ralph Wiggum]

aquart  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)
Mon Mar-01-10 04:54 PM
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16. He never had a union job in his life, did he?
   
Who was there to teach him what it means? His mother? His father? His grandparents? How was he to learn what the rest of us know?

I simply don't understand this mentality.  I've never been in a union, don't know anyone who is an a union, and everyone seems to be doing just fine without it.

[AllosaursRus]

I simply don't understand this mentality.  I've never been in a union, don't know anyone who is an a union, and everyone seems to be doing just fine without it.

Union employees are as worthless as tits on a boar hog. Never met a single one that could pull his/her own weight against another that relied on their skill to keep their job!

[thundley4]

Union employees are as worthless as tits on a boar hog. Never met a single one that could pull his/her own weight against another that relied on their skill to keep their job!

My shop is full of people that want to leave the union, but the company won't let us.

[The Village Idiot]

My shop is full of people that want to leave the union, but the company won't let us.

Its probably the law

[AllosaursRus]

Its probably the law

Yeah, ain't that a kick in the pants! Once they get in, ya can't get rid of 'em!

[The Village Idiot]

Yeah, ain't that a kick in the pants! Once they get in, ya can't get rid of 'em!

The guy Obama chose to head the NLRB thinks government can impose "card check" on all 50 states without any law passed by Congress. In effect forcing everyone to join a union.

[AllosaursRus]

The guy Obama chose to head the NLRB thinks government can impose "card check" on all 50 states without any law passed by Congress. In effect forcing everyone to join a union.

That's liable to cause armed revolt where I live! Don't think he can touch a Right to Work State, though!

[The Village Idiot]

That's liable to cause armed revolt where I live! Don't think he can touch a Right to Work State, though!

uh hum. I dunno. If teaching your kindergarteners to have sex with anything that moves doesn't cause a civil war, nothing will

[thundley4]

Its probably the law

I'm not sure if it's the law, or the fact that our shop is a small part of a larger company. There are fewer than 40 of us compared to several hundred employed by the construction division. The union doesn't stand up to the company at all.

[The Village Idiot]

I'm not sure if it's the law, or the fact that our shop is a small part of a larger company. There are fewer than 40 of us compared to several hundred employed by the construction division. The union doesn't stand up to the company at all.

Like the "unions" in a communist country that is basically part of the government to keep tabs on any unruly slaves

[AllosaursRus]

uh hum. I dunno. If teaching your kindergarteners to have sex with anything that moves doesn't cause a civil war, nothing will

Uh.......they don't do that here! At least not in the North end of the state. We'd be down there like men/women with pitchforks huntin' Frankenstein! Trust me! Ya wouldn't want to mess with the soccer Moms in my part of the country!

ETA: My Daughter bagged the biggest trophy elk and bear, hangin' in her den. Much to my SIL's chagrin! Heh!

[The Village Idiot]

ETA: My Daughter bagged the biggest trophy elk and bear, hangin' in her den. Much to my SIL's chagrin! Heh!

lol! Good job!