poll: do we intimidate the primitives on Skins's island?

[franksolich]

Time again for the once-every three months poll, to measure how we're doing here in the DUmpster.

I am getting concerned, greatly concerned that we perhaps possibly maybe might be intimidating the primitives on Skins's island too much, given a noticeable decline in primitive attendance at campfires in the lesser forums.

Some of these lesser forums--the "jobs" forum of course being the exception--used to be arenas of much hustle-and-bustle, beehives of swarming primitives, anthills with significant traffic jams.

Especially those forums dealing with mental health, scamming social security disability, cooking and baking, frugal living, weight loss.  In case no one noticed, these used to be pretty active.

Now it appears all the uncool primitives are cowering in either "General Discussion" or the "Lounge," making it more and more difficult to distinguish between the PoP and the unterprimitiven, the faceless lynch mob.

If in fact the primitives feel intimidated, it's pretty silly.

First of all, we're nice people here.

Second of all, we present no threat--physical or emotional--to any primitive.

All we do is challenge their ideas, their "facts," their delusions.

Nothing more than that.

If in fact the primitives feel intimidated, it's pretty silly of them.

[BlueStateSaint]

I said "yes, and it's a good thing."  There's a few threads over there, more lately, that can be classified as "warnings."  This is a good thing, if they want to keep their heads.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

They expect to be loved and why shouldn't they be loved? They're smarter than us, they are filled with gumdrops, puppy dogs and rainbows and they have all the best ideas.

They are love.

Ergo if we reject them we reject love.

Ergo we are hate.

Hate is intimidating.

[Carl]

I voted yes and it is good.

Perhaps I am overly optimistic but I do think we have helped a few of the still partially sane recognize the idiocy of the Pam Dawsons and Mission Control commander Atman to name a couple.
It has sort of pushed their special brand of stupidity off to the side a bit which is always a benefit to humanity.

[franksolich]

They expect to be loved and why shouldn't they be loved? They're smarter than us, they are filled with gumdrops, puppy dogs and rainbows and they have all the best ideas.

You know, I suspect the primitives feel intimidated because they don't like to be proven wrong.

One may substitute the word "silly" in place of "wrong" in what follows.

(By the way, this poll is NOT part of the series of polls in the DUmping Ground, which were taken as a result of primitives complaining about us at my clarebootheluce@gmail.com address--this is just the normal usual every-three-months poll that I've done ever since conservativecave got started.)

Which is a stupid way to feel.

Being proven wrong is something that happens to us all; no one is perfect.

I suppose it's a matter of how one takes being proven wrong.

Both Tanker and USA4ME have proven franksolich wrong with crushing finality at times, but that scarcely dents, scratches, or tarnishes the respect and affection I have for them, both gentlemen and friends of the highest order.

Perhaps it's a lingering after-effect of being the youngest child but one in a large family dominated by personalities much stronger than oneself; one just shrugs the shoulders, okay I was wrong, and moves on.

Being wrong does not make one a lesser person, less valuable to God.

I don't understand why it's so important for the primitives to be "right."

The other thing I suspect intimidates the primitives is their unwilllingness to support their positions.  It's one thing to say something, and quite more difficult to defend it.

The primitives have two chances to defend themselves against decent and civilized people; they can either respond to us over the Great Divide, from Skins's island, or they can come here, register, and comment.

As we all--decent and civilized people, and primitives, alike--know, we can't go over there, so the DUmpster provides a means, at least a crude means, of discussion and debate of the issues.

Why the primitives don't come over here, register, and comment, eludes me; it's not like they're going to get tossed out.  There's only two rules here, (a) no divulging of personal information about other people and (b) no trashing of people in the military.

Outside of that, we're pretty open.

It needs recorded that the last primitive who was here, was here for exactly two whole years, basking under the warmth of our benevolence, enjoying himself and having a great time.  But alas he snapped (but only after two years, remember), and violated rule (b) above.

[USA4ME]

When the B/W was fist opened for biz at CU, they flooded the forum when it was reported on their site to try and defend themselves, often having more of them than their were of us.  They were crushed.  There's been a few that have come over here, but it's mainly drive-by posts and they rarely sign-up with their primitive user names.  Yeah, their intimidated.

They'd like to tell themselves it's because we aren't worth it, but it's not the nature of libs to take criticism when they know they don't have to physically confront the individual.  Face-to-face they back down, that is if they say anything at all.  That's why we get the bouncy stories, so they can invent the qualities in themselves they'd like to be able to do in real life but know they wouldn't dare. But on-line, they don't like anyone, not even anonymous posters on a pol site, to tell them they're wrong and to poke fun at how stupid they are.  And there's only one legitimate reason for them not to confront that: intimidation.

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[kenth]

It's interesting to note how often they post a thread asking for help in refuting our ideas. They will then squabble a bit as to the best defense of their positions, usually ending up with some sort of name-calling response. Compare that to how often that sort of question is posed on conservative forums, asking for help with ideas. It's rare that such a thread is posted.

[GOBUCKS]

I say yes, they are intimidated, but it's a terrible development. It would be so much better if they did not know this place and others like it existed. A few of them, like Husb2Sparkly and several others, love the attention, and make a lot of posts for no reason other than hoping to be quoted and ridiculed. It does give them a measure of DUmp cred, which they all crave. But when DUmmies are making intentionally outrageous posts to draw our attention, they are not nearly as entertaining. Some may remember the rise and fall of the famous DUmmy stevenumbers. His first few threads, describing his appalling lovelife and asking painfully stupid questions, were among the most entertaining in the history of Skimmer's anthill. But he he was made a star by PJ Comix on FR, was read thousands of times, and went Hollywood. He started trying to attract attention, and when you are as stupid as stevenumbers, that leads to some pathetic attempts. The phenomenon that was stevenumbers fizzled overnight. He was the DUmp's William Hung. Other DUmmies see the attention and are intimidated and shrink from the spotlight, sort of like roaches. They are just as DUmb as stevenumbers, but they react 180 degrees differently. Current examples are Pam Dawson, who says some pricks are stalking her, and the Las Vegas Lardass, who claims some people won't live and let live. Things would be so much better if these nitwits were forever unaware of the enjoyment they are giving decent and civilized people. It takes a long time for a moron to season and age, to develop the nuances of imbecility that a Top DUmmy exhibits. I'm afraid they are disappearing faster than the DUmp can produce them.

[franksolich]

Things would be so much better if these nitwits were forever unaware of the enjoyment they are giving decent and civilized people. It takes a long time for a moron to season and age, to develop the nuances of imbecility that a Top DUmmy exhibits. I'm afraid they are disappearing faster than the DUmp can produce them.

You know, sir, that is indeed something to thnk about.

Primitives of Yore, by the time decent and civilized people were aware of them, were like fine aged wines or whiskey or cheese.

Alas, now even the current PoP are like Ripple or Canadian Springs or Velveeta, when compared with the PoY.

I'm not sure however what one can do about it; it's a vexing situation.

On one hand, we need thoroughly evolved and matured primitives for the best sorts of amusement and humor.....but then on the other hand, decent and civilized people have a moral, social, and political obligation to expose the gross imbecilities, selfishness, greed, intolerance, ignorance, squalor, bigotry, decadence, racism, materialism, &c., &c., &c., of primitivity to the world.

The latter which also has the unintended consequence of saving the primitives themselves from harm and peril.

Imagine, for example, what would've happened to the primitives, with their lesser-developed cerebral capacities, if Doug's ex-wife had been allowed to carry on the Scamdal unimpeded by proponents of open and honest fund-raisers.

It's a mixed bag.

[franksolich]

Well, after strolling around Skins's island this morning (Sunday morning), I must say I'm really disappointed in the primitives.

I doubt we have anything to do with it, but Mrs. Alfred Packer, the "hippywife" primitive, doesn't seem to hang around the cooking and baking forum like she used to, which is a pity, considering she added so much joie de vivre to that forum.

The sparkling husband primitive, the "Stinky the Clown" primitive, doesn't rant and rave in general discussion as much as he used to.

The greenbriar primitive's been absent a while.

The subway cat, the "undergroundpanther" primitive, is probably locked up in that big building with small rooms and soft walls for a while, while Pedro Picasso, the "Atman" primitive with the bad knees, is on vacation.

One assumes that for many of them, real life is interfering with their romping around Skins's island; post counts of the defrocked warped primitive, the "Warpy" primitive, seem to have plummeted precipitously, for example; as too the "TwixVoy" and "PCIntern" primitives.

I dunno; maybe it's the end-of-the-winter blahs.

Because the gigantic primitive's gone into seclusion, hiding himself away from the world, one has to resort to reading the obituaries in the Las Vegas newspapers, to see if anything's happened to him.

Who remembers Ms. Ed the unappellated eohippus, the "Horse With no Name" primitive, any more?  Or the maudlin waif primitive, the "Mythsaje" primitive?  Or the brain-damaged primitive, the "DainBramaged" primitive?

As GOBUCKS mentioned, the currently-active primitives aren't nothing, compared with the PoY, the Primitives of Yore.

It's very sad, watching this decline in the quality of Primitivity.

[miskie]

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On one hand, we need thoroughly evolved and matured primitives for the best sorts of amusement and humor.....but then on the other hand, decent and civilized people have a moral, social, and political obligation to expose the gross imbecilities, selfishness, greed, intolerance, ignorance, squalor, bigotry, decadence, racism, materialism, &c., &c., &c., of primitivity to the world.
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There is a Cliché that applies-

The Observer Effect - In physics, the term observer effect refers to changes that the act of observation will make on the phenomenon being observed. This is often the result of instruments that, by necessity, alter the state of what they measure in some manner. This effect can be observed in many domains of physics.

By watching The Primitives, we change them. Its as simple as that - Its not quite to the level of paradox that The Uncertainty Principle (is light composed of particles or waves) or the Schrödinger's Cat thought experiment, but in many almost intangible ways, observing the island and all three of these things are related.
 

[franksolich]

There is a Cliché that applies-

By watching The Primitives, we change them. Its as simple as that - Its not quite to the level of paradox that The Uncertainty Principle (is light composed of particles or waves) or the Schrödinger's Cat thought experiment, but in many almost intangible ways, observing the island and all three of these things are related.

You know, sir, I was aware of some sort of phenomenon that occurs when one watches something, but couldn't put my finger on the correct term.

I thank you!

[Freeper]

The primitives are intimidated anytime they are challenged. Most of them have no real clue why they have the positions they have. They just follow along thinking progressives and liberals are cool. I also think they have a lot of inner conflict with trying to defend the positions they support.

[Chris]

The primitives are intimidated anytime they are challenged. Most of them have no real clue why they have the positions they have. They just follow along thinking progressives and liberals are cool. I also think they have a lot of inner conflict with trying to defend the positions they support.

That would explain why mental illness is so rampant at the DUmp.

[Freeper]

That would explain why mental illness is so rampant at the DUmp.

Hell it's a badge of honor at DU.

[thundley4]

I also think they have a lot of inner conflict with trying to defend the positions they support.

A perfect example of their schizophrenia is the current health care BS.  On the one hand, almost every one of them hate it and say it is a giveaway to the insurance companies. Yet at the same time they cheer on the DimRats to use reconciliation to get it passed.

They accuse anyone but the wealthy of voting against their best interests if they vote republican, yet the DUmmies want HCR to go through, just because we don't want it to.

It takes a serious disconnect from reality to want something you hate so much, just because your "enemies" are against.

[Carl]

A perfect example of their schizophrenia is the current health care BS.  On the one hand, almost every one of them hate it and say it is a giveaway to the insurance companies. Yet at the same time they cheer on the DimRats to use reconciliation to get it passed.

They accuse anyone but the wealthy of voting against their best interests if they vote republican, yet the DUmmies want HCR to go through, just because we don't want it to.

It takes a serious disconnect from reality to want something you hate so much, just because your "enemies" are against.

You have to remember that they ascribe their own meanings to things.
We know that the "public option" will be a killer to health insurance while doing nothing to curtail the costs brought on by liberal liability policies.
It is a poison pill to bankrupt private insurance and force a clamor for social control of health care.

In a DUmmys mind the term "public option" is still equated with free to them visit a doctor a day utopia.
They do not grasp what it means nor what restrictions it holds...they just think FREE!!!

[thundley4]

You have to remember that they ascribe their own meanings to things.
We know that the "public option" will be a killer to health insurance while doing nothing to curtail the costs brought on by liberal liability policies.
It is a poison pill to bankrupt private insurance and force a clamor for social control of health care.

In a DUmmys mind the term "public option" is still equated with free to them visit a doctor a day utopia.
They do not grasp what it means nor what restrictions it holds...they just think FREE!!!

I agree with that, but even though none of the current bills contain the PO, they still want something passed.  They don't like any of the bills, but even without the PO they want one passed just to piss us off. They are frelling stupid.

[Carl]

I agree with that, but even though none of the current bills contain the PO, they still want something passed.  They don't like any of the bills, but even without the PO they want one passed just to piss us off. They are frelling stupid.

True and still a bit of the same thing...they believe out of nothingness that something will be free to them.

It is the "we stuck it to them" mindset that they live off from.
A dark and bitter envy from a hateful soul.