Vermontese Primitive Introduces Etiquette. Squabbling Ensues

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cali  (1000+ posts)        Sun Feb-21-10 11:54 AM
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Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette
 
(Feb. 21) – In addition to the three R's, boys at one Arizona public high school have spent the past year learning to open doors for girls, pull out chairs for their female classmates and stand when a girl enters a room.

Incorporating etiquette lessons into the classroom was the brainchild of Cord Ivanyi, a Latin teacher at Gilbert Classical Academy, a public college prep school 30 miles east of Phoenix.

Male students in Cord Ivanyi's Latin class at Gilbert Classical Academy high school have learned such etiquette techniques as seating the girls at their desks.

"I teach old-fashioned subjects," Ivanyi told AOL News, "so I don't think I'm doing anyone a disservice by promoting old-fashioned traditions."

A teacher for 14 years, Ivanyi said he was inspired to start demonstrating what he considers proper etiquette after witnessing the coarse behavior that some of the boys in his classes displayed toward the girls.

"Boys treat girls pretty roughly," he said. "And there was so much disruption, so I decided to do something about it."

The informal lessons began with Ivanyi standing up one day after a girl in the class had left the room to go to the bathroom. As she returned, Ivanyi held open the door for her.

"She had this funny look on her face," Ivanyi recalled. "And the other kids giggled a little."

Soon, however, Ivanyi was schooling the 10th-grade boys on how to seat their female counterparts at their desks, by pulling out their chair and sliding it underneath them as they sat. As a show of respect, the boys were encouraged to stand any time a girl entered the room.
 

RainDog  (1000+ posts)      Sun Feb-21-10 11:58 AM
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2. institutionalized sexism n/t 
 

 

WolverineDG  (1000+ posts)        Sun Feb-21-10 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #2
40. that was fast

RainDog  (1000+ posts)      Sun Feb-21-10 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #44
45. exactly. so they shouldn't be taught in a sexist manner
 which is what is happening here.

if you are unaware of the long line of thinking on the issue of paternalism and the ways women have been oppressed by the same attitudes, you might want to look into it.

for you to assume someone is "against" manners and courtesy because of the sexist crap this school is doing is sort of stupid. 

WolverineDG  (1000+ posts)        Sun Feb-21-10 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #61
78. You read sexism into that because you see women as victims
 who are too weak & stupid to think for themselves & must be protected (by self-appointed cops like you) from such dastardly behavior as a man holding a door open for her or standing when she leaves or enters a room.
 

RainDog  (1000+ posts)      Mon Feb-22-10 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #99
113. do you have a problem with comprehension? 
 or are you purposely misunderstanding the point?

in either case, you seem incapable of understanding issues that deal with larger societal issues and how to empower women.

I hope you don't have daughters. If you do, I truly feel sorry for them. 

PassingFair  (1000+ posts)        Sun Feb-21-10 12:02 PM
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5. Yuk. I would object to this if it were happening in MY kid's public school.
 It is fine for the teacher to set an example,
it is NOT fine for this type of arcane deference
to be REQUIRED.
 

pokerfan  (1000+ posts)      Sun Feb-21-10 01:26 PM
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20. George Washington's Rules of Civility & Decent Behaviour In Company and Conversation
 http://www.history.org/Almanack/life/manners/rules2.cfm

2d - When in Company, put not your Hands to any Part of the Body, not usualy Discovered.

7th - Put not off your Cloths in the presence of Others, nor go out your Chamber half Drest.

10th - When you Sit down, Keep your Feet firm and Even, without putting one on the other or Crossing them.

What a tight-assed little priss he must've been...

  Them's fightin' words, asshat.   

Arkana  (1000+ posts)        Sun Feb-21-10 01:29 PM
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22. What is this, Victorian England?

and you knew it was coming....

kevinbgoode (1000+ posts)      Sun Feb-21-10 05:51 PM
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47. For godsakes...so what does this 50's style teacher do with the
 gay and lesbian kids? Stereotype their gender behavior in the opposite manner?
 

PassingFair  (1000+ posts)        Mon Feb-22-10 08:58 AM
Response to Reply #54
104. Jesus would happily allow the women to wash his feet with their HAIR.
 How mannered!

Forkboy  (1000+ posts)      Sun Feb-21-10 09:18 PM
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72. I avoid the argument by just being rude to everybody.

  Of course, Forkboy.

[BadCat]

No wonder DUmmie "males" never get laid.

[Mike220]

Wonder what the DUmbasses would say if they knew I did all of the above. And opened the car door for my girlfriend. And said ma'am or sir. And was polite.

Didn't realize that made me sexist. 

[GOBUCKS]

All that is normal behavior for decent and civilized people. It's so automatic we don't think about it. There are some differences between a social setting, and business or the classroom, though. I think it's always proper to open a door for a lady, regardless of where it is, but in the office or classroom I would not help with her chair, or stand when she enters or leaves. That would look a little goofy in my opinion.

[AprilRazz]

My husband has manners like that. My family loves him.
But they are ignorant Southerners.

[AprilRazz]

All that is normal behavior for decent and civilized people. It's so automatic we don't think about it. There are some differences between a social setting, and business or the classroom, though. I think it's always proper to open a door for a lady, regardless of where it is, but in the office or classroom I would not help with her chair, or stand when she enters or leaves. That would look a little goofy in my opinion.

But you would do that for a lady. The primitives would not know a lady if she stuck a high heel between their eyes.

[Ralph Wiggum]

No wonder DUmmie "males" never get laid.

I'm betting there are a multitude of other reasons why they don't get laid.

[Ralph Wiggum]

All that is normal behavior for decent and civilized people. It's so automatic we don't think about it.

It's just common courtesy, nothing sexist about it.

[IassaFTots]

It's just common courtesy, nothing sexist about it.

My Grandmother told me one way to spot a man that was raised right, was to pause at a door, and see if he opens it. 

She was right about that one. 

[The Village Idiot]

Calling women ho's and b***es and treating them like dirt isn't sexist?

[DefiantSix]

pokerfan  (1000+ posts)      Sun Feb-21-10 01:26 PM
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20. George Washington's Rules of Civility & Decent Behaviour In Company and Conversation
 http://www.history.org/Al...k/life/manners/rules2.cfm

2d - When in Company, put not your Hands to any Part of the Body, not usualy Discovered.

7th - Put not off your Cloths in the presence of Others, nor go out your Chamber half Drest.

10th - When you Sit down, Keep your Feet firm and Even, without putting one on the other or Crossing them.

What a tight-assed little priss he must've been...

You're welcome to come find out if "tight-assed little priss" has bred out of my great-great way the hell back there uncle's family line, dickhead.  I'm just an empty beer can's throw away from the east end of the University of Northern Colorado campus.  You can't miss me; I'll be the one holding the car door for my wife before I stomp a mudhole in your chest.

[JohnnyReb]

I has duh solution: From now on DUmmie wymins will be required to wear a sign stating, "I'MA BITCH" and conservative women will have to wear one stating, "I'MA LADY". Of course you can usually tell them appart but just so there's no squealing about discrimination, ladies will have to wear a sign.

....and someone was worried about DUmmie males not getting laid, Jesus christ people, who wants to lay a nagging/complaining DUmmie wyman.



 

[Lord Undies]

Showing respect to the differences in the sexes is somehow demeaning, sexist, rude, and downright hateful.

Meanwhile, treating black people as if they cannot even feed themselves or learn to provide for themselves is perfectly OK.

Sending a welfare check to an able-bodied black woman is caring and proper.

Holding a door open for that same woman is a hideous act of condescension.

Got it.   

[DumbAss Tanker]

I has duh solution: From now on DUmmie wymins will be required to wear a sign stating, "I'MA BITCH" and conservative women will have to wear one stating, "I'MA LADY". Of course you can usually tell them appart but just so there's no squealing about discrimination, ladies will have to wear a sign.

....and someone was worried about DUmmie males not getting laid, Jesus christ people, who wants to lay a nagging/complaining DUmmie wyman.



 

Regrettably, all too many mere mortal men will put up with about any kind of bullshit to get to home plate at least once.  It does explain why the DUmmies keep reproducing, though, despite all their counter-survival beliefs and behaviors.

[delilahmused]

I has duh solution: From now on DUmmie wymins will be required to wear a sign stating, "I'MA BITCH" and conservative women will have to wear one stating, "I'MA LADY". Of course you can usually tell them appart but just so there's no squealing about discrimination, ladies will have to wear a sign.

....and someone was worried about DUmmie males not getting laid, Jesus christ people, who wants to lay a nagging/complaining DUmmie wyman.
 

They already do where such a sign...they're the really ugly harpies with a sour expression on their faces.

Cindie

[lastparker]

Showing respect to the differences in the sexes is somehow demeaning, sexist, rude, and downright hateful.

Meanwhile, treating black people as if they cannot even feed themselves or learn to provide for themselves is perfectly OK.

Sending a welfare check to an able-bodied black woman is caring and proper.

Holding a door open for that same woman is a hideous act of condescension.

Got it.   

Good point.  They need to wear signs taped to their chests so the black woman will realize they are being progressive when they let the door hit her in the face.

[blitzkrieg_17]

WolverineDG  (1000+ posts)        Sun Feb-21-10 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #61
78. You read sexism into that because you see women as victims
 who are too weak & stupid to think for themselves & must be protected (by self-appointed cops like you) from such dastardly behavior as a man holding a door open for her or standing when she leaves or enters a room.

The essence of liberalism.

[AllosaursRus]

Wonder what the DUmbasses would say if they knew I did all of the above. And opened the car door for my girlfriend. And said ma'am or sir. And was polite.

Didn't realize that made me sexist. 

My Grandpa and Dad taught me this when I was a mere boy. Disgusting they think this is now demeaning!

Goes to show just how far the country has slid toward socialism.

[Duchess]

George Washington, who fought the Indians, who rallied the troops at the lowest points of the Revolutionary War, when they were going hungry, cold, without pay, concerned for their families, the man who reluctantly accepted public SERVICE, and went home as soon as he could instead of milking the public trough for all he could-a "tight assed little priss"? I'd like to see any dumpmonkey, most any contemporary American, endure what Washington and his generation endured.

The dumpmonkeys are beneath mere mockery, they're beneath contempt.

[thundley4]

Even with remote doorlocks on the car, I'll still open the door for my wife.

[DefiantSix]

George Washington, who fought the Indians, who rallied the troops at the lowest points of the Revolutionary War, when they were going hungry, cold, without pay, concerned for their families, the man who reluctantly accepted public SERVICE, and went home as soon as he could instead of milking the public trough for all he could-a "tight assed little priss"? I'd like to see any dumpmonkey, most any contemporary American, endure what Washington and his generation endured.

The dumpmonkeys are beneath mere mockery, they're beneath contempt.

Hence the reason I invited that particular dipshit over to my place for a meeting with one branch of The General's family line.

[Duchess]

Hence the reason I invited that particular dipshit over to my place for a meeting with one branch of The General's family line.

What an honor to be of his bloodline. The dummies (that term almost seems too flippant for such scum) aren't fit to lick his horse's shoes.

[AllosaursRus]

What an honor to be of his bloodline. The dummies (that term almost seems too flippant for such scum) aren't fit to lick his horse's shoes.

My family was on the Mayflower and participated in damn bear every war since! Some SOB say anything like that in my presence, he will be picking himself up off the sidewalk!