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Good Samaritan primitive spurns poor man in need
« on: February 20, 2010, 09:31:44 AM »
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Mari333  (1000+ posts)        Sat Feb-20-10 07:05 AM
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So a guy comes to my door yesterday and knocks and he asks me if I can give him money.

Now, mind you, I live in a small small town. I dont know this guy, but this is the second time he has come to my door and asked for money.

He had once come back during the snowstorm in December and asked if he could shovel the walk.

I said okay, and paid him 20 dollars at the time to shovel the walk and the driveway. Seemed like a nice man, in his 40s, and thats what people do in small towns.

But that was once.

Then, in January, he comes over and knocks again and asks me if I would lend him money. I dont know this guy. He said his daughter needed medicine. I never met his daughter. I said no. I was nice, and polite, but I have a limited income.

I thought that would take care of it. But he comes by again, yesterday, with his kid in the car , and asks again. Now, he needs free money for his daughter's birthday, he said. He kept saying "Im not a bad guy, I just need some money".

I said no, Im sorry, I cant.

I am a nice person, I get into trouble being too empathatic, but what would you do?

I dont want to start a bad habit with him or myself. I had to say no, but again I was very nice about it.

just wondering what any of you think about this.

Man, the primitives are a cold, cruel, selfish bunch:

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ProfessorGAC  (1000+ posts)      Sat Feb-20-10 07:11 AM
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1. Don't Blame You, Mari

The sidewalk thing seemed cool. But, to just come back and ask for money is wrong on his part. I think you did the right thing, because you don't want this to get to be a habit.

Besides, it is your money, and it's not like you have an unlimited supply.

Hmmmm.

Isn't the last comment up there a most unprimitivish thing to say?--after all, the primitives are always demanding that we share.

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Mari333  (1000+ posts)        Sat Feb-20-10 07:13 AM
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2. thanks. I needed feedback.  

I have a tendency to bail people out and it took a long time to learn its not my job to save everyone.

I thank you for the response, I have been feeling kind of bad about it for some reason. I wish I COULD save the world. but, I cannot.

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Yurovsky  (956 posts)      Sat Feb-20-10 08:40 AM
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18. You CAN'T feel bad about this...the old saying "you give a mouse a cookie, he's gonna want a glass of milk" applies here.

If he'd made a habit of coming to help you out for money (shovel the walk, rake leaves, trim the hedges, wash your car, etc), that'd be one thing. But just coming for $ with a different excuse every time? Sorry, as someone with multiple addicts in his family, I'm way too familiar with this behavior. And the perpetrator preys on your good nature to make YOU feel like the bad guy (err, gal).

I feel your pain. Just know that you're doing the right thing and hope that this person can get help.

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Bitwit1234  (1000+ posts)     Sat Feb-20-10 07:43 AM
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12. Maybe the buy does need money and after the sidewalk thing he thinks you were a soft touch. Medicine..yes there is a need. But birthday. I'd tell him not to come back.

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Raven  (1000+ posts)      Sat Feb-20-10 07:14 AM
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3. Well, his returning is troublesome. Do you live alone? Do you know your local police chief? I might pay a visit to the police dept. and, very low key, describe what has been happening. This may be a local guy who they know, perfectly harmless. May not be. You should try and find out without getting him into trouble. Maybe folks don't realize he's hurting and there may be help for him through the local churches... I would not ignore this and I would not feel quilty about trying to find out more and stop the visits.

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Mari333  (1000+ posts)        Sat Feb-20-10 07:19 AM
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6. yes I am alone  

I might just do that. thanks. I dont want to get him in trouble, but I have a friend at social services here, and I do know the guys name (he told me)...thats a great idea.

I know its tough out there. I just cant be the national bank on a limited income.

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Raven  (1000+ posts)      Sat Feb-20-10 07:24 AM
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8. Listen, you will be doing this man a favor. I work in a town and I know how good people handle these things. Don't feel quilty about this. It's a dead end for this guy to be going door to door. If he's on the up and up, he needs help. If not, you need to act. Good luck!

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old mark  (1000+ posts)      Sat Feb-20-10 09:03 AM
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25. I agree. I would also second the idea of talking to the police about this.

they can see that this guy gets some help and possibly keep you safe from retaliation.

There are some very delusional and dangerous people on the streets...not all of them are in government.

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redwitch  (1000+ posts)        Sat Feb-20-10 07:16 AM
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4. It is a little scary that he is coming to your door.

He sounds desperate. He needs to connect with your county's social services people and he needs to stop coming to your house.

I think he needs to be told gently but firmly to stop.

I think the selfish Good Samaritan primitive, so as to not be a hypocrite, should give the poor man some money; share and share alike, it's the primitive philosophy.

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Chemisse  (1000+ posts)        Sat Feb-20-10 07:22 AM
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7. There is a good chance that he wanted the money for drugs

I know. My son is an addict. Desperation for drugs makes you cross many social lines. Going up and knocking on a door for money is definitely crossing the line.

So I would have a talk with your local police chief, as someone else suggested. He or she will be able to advise you and perhaps intercede for you.

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woodsprite  (1000+ posts)      Sat Feb-20-10 07:38 AM
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10. Yes, Please be careful!  

We've had people in our area who have started out as good samaritans and have ended up getting their bank accounts emptied - whether through downright criminal means or coercion.

I have an older friend who would do anything to help someone in need, and people in need just seem to gravitate to her. When people start asking her for money, she hooks them up with the appropriate group or a minister of one of the local churches. I would imagine all denominations are similar, but our Presby church has a benevolence fund and discretionary funds. Small amounts, but they are able to help get someone a motel room for a few nights if needed, or pay for meds, AND hook them up with the right services to get them more help. I'm sure they wouldn't pay for birthday gifts for someone.

I like the idea of checking with the local police. They would also know if there were 'scammers' and what the latest ones were. I saw someone the other day packing up from begging at a heavily trafficked intersection. It was amazing that he didn't need his crutches when he ran across the street to his car. He threw his crutches and sign in the back and drove off.

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Tutankhamun (894 posts)      Sat Feb-20-10 07:47 AM
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14. It's really wrong to knock on people's doors and ask for money.

That would intmidate A LOT of people, many of whom would pay him out of fear. This guy is very bad news. Don't pay his extortion fee. Don't even smile. Make him realize he needs to cross your house off his list.

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Vinca  (1000+ posts)      Sat Feb-20-10 08:33 AM
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15. It's hard turning someone down, but there are people who make a living at this.

There's a woman of about 35 who works the grocery store parking lot with a sign saying she needs money for food. She makes the mistake of buying her booze and cigarettes at the same store after she collects enough cash from good hearted people. Maybe you should compile a list of social services to keep by the door if he stops again. Tell him you're not in such great yourself and wish him the best.

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The Velveteen Ocelot  (1000+ posts)        Sat Feb-20-10 08:47 AM
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21. Something very much like that happened to me once.

I'd hired a company to clear some construction materials from my yard, and one of the workers came back later and asked if he could mow my lawn. I said no, since I mow my own (it's pretty small). Some months later, after a snow storm, the same guy turned up and offered to shovel the walk for $20. I hired him to do that, and as I recall he came by again the next time it snowed. That was fine. But the third time he came by wanting to do stuff I told him I couldn't really afford to keep hiring him (which was true at that time).

A few weeks later he and a woman came to my door fairly late at night and asked me to drive them somewhere way the hell out in the 'burbs because their car broke down and they had to pick up their kid. I politely said I was sorry, but no, I couldn't do that (the circumstances creeped me out). I felt bad but I didn't know these people and no way was I going to drive somewhere at night with a couple of strangers.

Then, a while after that, the wife showed up (also at night) asking for money for something (cab fare, I think). I don't usually keep much cash around, so I said I couldn't help her.

They came back again several times, always after dark. I think he was watching me because the doorbell would ring within minutes after I got home. I quit answering the door, and finally they stopped coming.

It was really creepy. I didn't know whether they were legitimately needy people who thought I'd help them after I hired the guy the first time, or if they were grifters, or worse.

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Dappleganger  (1000+ posts)      Sat Feb-20-10 09:40 AM
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31. It's scary what people do. My father was a victim of a theft ring...he hired a guy to do some odd jobs, then the guy would return with buddies who would burglar his home while dad was in the back yard (he's hard of hearing). They even backed up a pickup several times taking stuff out of his barn (motorcycle, tools, computers/electronics, etc.) while Dad was out. They watch him and wait for him to leave, then pull up.

Finally one of them got caught after Dad lodged a complaint because he figured out what was going on. He's in court next week to testify along with several other neighbors who were also victims. Turns out that every one of them were repeat offenders, grrrrr.

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seabeyond  (1000+ posts)        Sat Feb-20-10 09:58 AM
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38. a couple scams in my area. at least five people have run out of gas on this neighborhood street and at grocery store

has a kid in hospital, the belt on his car is broken. car right up the street. needs 19.95

Man, the primitives are a heartless bunch.
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Re: Good Samaritan primitive spurns poor man in need
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2010, 09:41:37 AM »
My God, they don't even recognize their own hypocrisy, do they?

What sad little people they are.
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Re: Good Samaritan primitive spurns poor man in need
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2010, 09:54:57 AM »
My God, they don't even recognize their own hypocrisy, do they?

What sad little people they are.

They really don't.  Heaven forbid the government deny anybody free money, but if somebody asks them for some money, they quickly say no, and then they all fall all over themselves to tell each other why that is the right thing to do.

Why not ask the guy what type of medicine he needs for his daughter and buy that, or ask what he wants to get his daughter for his birthday, and buy it directly.  Or, find another job for him to do and pay him to

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Re: Good Samaritan primitive spurns poor man in need
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2010, 09:57:10 AM »
The dude has a running automobile with gas in it and he needs money from Mari?

Mari must have a big sign in her front yard that says "Sucker Lives Here".
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Re: Good Samaritan primitive spurns poor man in need
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2010, 10:12:06 AM »
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You CAN'T feel bad about this...the old saying "you give a mouse a cookie, he's gonna want a glass of milk" applies here.

And that is what is wrong with welfare.

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Re: Good Samaritan primitive spurns poor man in need
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2010, 10:20:51 AM »
The irony meter is spinning so fast you could use it as a fan.

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Re: Good Samaritan primitive spurns poor man in need
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2010, 10:48:06 AM »
The answer is clear, force one of his neighbors to give money to the man.
When you are the beneficiary of someone’s kindness and generosity, it produces a sense of gratitude and community.

When you are the beneficiary of a policy that steals from someone and gives it to you in return for your vote, it produces a sense of entitlement and dependency.

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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2010, 11:15:12 AM »
The answer is clear, force one of his neighbors to give money to the man.

Yeah, I have no doubt the Good Samaritan primitive expects franksolich to share.

(Or all other decent and civilized people, not just myself.)

Well, what's good for the gander is good for the goose too.

I think the Good Samaritan primitive should share.
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2010, 12:20:12 PM »
Yup. These people fit the profile. It's not their job to help their needy neighbor, its governments job to take your money and do it for you. With at least 25% overhead.

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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2010, 01:12:53 PM »
Yup. These people fit the profile. It's not their job to help their needy neighbor, its governments job to take your money and do it for you. With at least 25% overhead.

Understatement of the year award! More like at least 125%!!!!!!!!!111111
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2010, 01:43:31 PM »
Come on, DUmmies! Please!! She even started her bouncy with "So", to let you know it was a made up story!
And you still give her advice on how to handle it. Amazing.

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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2010, 01:48:53 PM »
Understatement of the year award! More like at least 125%!!!!!!!!!111111

That sounds like FarmAid and those other lefty benefits where all the money goes to lobbying government and activism instead of helping the supposed victims.

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Re: Good Samaritan primitive spurns poor man in need
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2010, 03:21:01 PM »
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Bitwit1234  (1000+ posts)     Sat Feb-20-10 07:43 AM
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12. Maybe the buy does need money and after the sidewalk thing he thinks you were a soft touch. Medicine..yes there is a need. But birthday. I'd tell him not to come back.

Oh yeah, like poor people don't deserve birthday presents. *sneer*[/biting DU sarcasm mode]

Stunning thread. Pretty much defines the DU mindset in all its shallow, hypocritical glory.
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Re: Good Samaritan primitive spurns poor man in need
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2010, 03:51:50 PM »
Yeah, I have no doubt the Good Samaritan primitive expects franksolich to share.

(Or all other decent and civilized people, not just myself.)

Well, what's good for the gander is good for the goose too.

I think the Good Samaritan primitive should share.

Should you apply grease to the gander before the goose?  :-)

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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2010, 04:03:20 PM »
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Mari333  (1000+ posts)        Sat Feb-20-10 07:05 AM
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So a guy comes to my door yesterday and knocks and he asks me if I can give him money.

Now, mind you, I live in a small small town. I dont know this guy, but this is the second time he has come to my door and asked for money.

He had once come back during the snowstorm in December and asked if he could shovel the walk.

1st time in December and 2nd time yesterday

I said okay, and paid him 20 dollars at the time to shovel the walk and the driveway. Seemed like a nice man, in his 40s, and thats what people do in small towns.

But that was once.

Then, in January, he comes over and knocks again and asks me if I would lend him money. 3rd time. I dont know this guy. He said his daughter needed medicine. I never met his daughter. I said no. I was nice, and polite, but I have a limited income.

I thought that would take care of it. But he comes by again, yesterday, with his kid in the car , and asks again. Now, he needs free money for his daughter's birthday, he said. He kept saying "Im not a bad guy, I just need some money".

I said no, Im sorry, I cant.

I am a nice person, I get into trouble being too empathatic, but what would you do?

I dont want to start a bad habit with him or myself. I had to say no, but again I was very nice about it.

just wondering what any of you think about this.

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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2010, 05:01:05 PM »
Bouncies and DUmmy math. Gotta love it.



I think the DUmmie was muddling it's intent.  I read it to be that the guy came once to ask to shovel snow for money, then came back two more times and just outright asked for money for nothing. 

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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2010, 05:20:56 PM »
I think the DUmmie was muddling it's intent.  I read it to be that the guy came once to ask to shovel snow for money, then came back two more times and just outright asked for money for nothing. 

Ah. Reread it. Came once to work and twice for a hand out.

My math sux but I'm no DUmmy. :lmao:
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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2010, 03:13:14 PM »
Just as I suspected they are quite generous with other people's money not so much with their own.
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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2010, 07:15:25 AM »
  History folks, one can read every book written about history yet nothing beats eye witnesses to the event.

Before the Great Depression even got started for real there were signs of the times to come.

Me' mare had this wonderful Shelagh stick by the front door. It stayed in one spot and as a kid it was a temptation to check it out.   My grandmother was born in 1895, this had to be late 50's  she was about 60 something at the time a retired school teacher.

Her story to me at the time.

  Back when she was a young woman the coming depression was known to the average person, they were not stupid. 

Every day more and more men would go house to house in towns along any rail line asking for work, chopping wood, painting most anything for a good meal and a bed for the night in the barn.

These guys known as HOBOS road the rails, working and stealing as they went just to survive.    They soon began to communicate with each other in a novel way, when they found a hostile home they made a very small mark either on the barn or house to warn those that came after them that they needed to pass this one by.    Friendly places where for a days work they could get a meal and bed had another mark, places where they could get help for doing nothing but show up at the door, another mark.

Notice I use the word MARK, the same word used today by people to denote a victim.

The Shelagh was to be used to threaten off the Hobos----called tramps and thieves or Gypsy's to run off these people.

Interesting that some people seem to have an invisible Mark that draws in either violence or crooks.

First time you lend money to some one and they don't repay it, figure that as a gift.   Second time they want another loan, you become a Mark. This goes for strangers, friends or family.

The color of the hat may change with time, but, a hat is a hat and we who in our ego and naivety's applaud ourselves for our generosity are just as much a Mark as those who  believe they are helping others.

The road for both you and others to Hell is indeed paved on good intentions.  We forget that becoming a good Samaritan also leaves to life long enabling of others to suck you dry.

Best advice my Mom ever gave me was ------Stay away from any person, male or female that is a bad luck JOE or JOAN.    If everything in their life is misery, all they have is a sad story about how they are treated or mistreated in life, everything is poor me, RUN, RUN. Some of these people bring it on to themselves as they need an excuse to pray on sympathy from others.


 


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Re: Good Samaritan primitive spurns poor man in need
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2010, 08:34:20 AM »
Oh yeah, like poor people don't deserve birthday presents. *sneer*[/biting DU sarcasm mode]

Stunning thread. Pretty much defines the DU mindset in all its shallow, hypocritical glory.

How come it is perfectly acceptable to ask for money to take an ex-wife skydiving, but not to buy a girl a birthday present???
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