primitives discuss men cheating on wives

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.org/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7750452

Oh my.

Oscar Wilde gets derailed off-topic with the very first primitive comment, and it goes downhill from there.

Cyrano  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 01:15 PM
OSCAR WILDE, THE LARGE-PROBOSCISED PRIMITIVE
Original message

The country's been screwed and Tiger Woods didn't do it.  

You might not agree with me, but over 90% of the men in the world, given Tiger's sexual opportunities, would take them. (Psst, your hubby's no different.)

Most professional athletes are hit on every night of their lives in their hotel lobbies or bars. And how many of them do you think say "No?"

Yet, Tiger is getting media coverage while the majority of us, who are ****ed every single day, hour, and minute of our lives by our government representatives, and those who own them, get scant coverage.

I really don't care who Tiger is screwing. I'm more concerned with going after those who are screwing us. But here's the problem. There are too many of them, and they have unlimited dollars behind them.

They control any and all medical care we get or don't get, the job market, the ongoing health of Social Security, the minimum wage, the interest you pay on your credit cards, your house and everything else you pay for over time. You are nothing to them but an oasis of cash. They don't care whether you live or die, as long as they get your last buck before you're buried.

So when you look at it in that light, do you really care who Tiger is screwing. Or are you more interested in who's screwing you and how little power you have to make it stop. Hmmm, "make it stop." I guess that could be called rape.

So what are we going to do about it? Or, more to the point, what can we do about it?

MineralMan  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 01:42 PM
Response to Original message
 
1. Speak for yourself only, Cyrano.

Your 90% number does not reflect real life. Not at all. Most men have had the opportunity to cheat. Most men do not cheat.

Since your first point isn't true, where does that leave the rest of your argument?

Cyrano  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 01:59 PM
OSCAR WILDE, THE LARGE-PROBOSCISED PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #1

2. I have no idea what planet you live on  

"Cheating" as it's called is nothing more than a matter of opportunity.

Most men, given the opportunity, will "cheat."

There's an old saying: "A hard on has no conscience."

Most men, if doped up with sodium pentathal, will admit to the truth of this. And will also admit to how many times they have "cheated."

As for you ladies reading this thread, I have no idea how many women will "cheat" if given the opportunity. But trust me on this. Not many men will walk away from the opportunity to get laid whenever possible. And any man who disagrees about this is either lying, or is one of a very, very rare breed.

MineralMan  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #2
 
3. You're making a common logical error. You're judging the whole by a small part. Now, what you say may apply to you, but it doesn't to me. Most men, actually, will decline such an opportunity. That's why they can call themselves men, instead of boys.

Your basic premise is incorrect, so your reasoning is flawed.

MineralMan  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #2
 
5. So you wish. It is not true. Most men will not do as you say.

Most men take their permanent relationships seriously and do not violate that trust.

You can say I'm wrong as often as you wish, but it is not true.

I've walked away from the opportunity many times in my life. At my advanced age, I doubt there will be a lot more such opportunities, but I can absolutely guarantee that I would do the same again.

I'm far from alone in this.

Cyrano  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 02:33 PM
OSCAR WILDE, THE LARGE-PROBOSCISED PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #5

6. Believe what you will. Who am I to destroy anyone's fantasy world?

MineralMan  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #6
 
11. What fantasy? For most people, trust and honor are important. For those who don't consider those important, I feel nothing but pity.

A man who will cheat on his wife will cheat on anyone. Such a man is not to be trusted with anything important. That's what my father taught me, and he was right. I've seen it many times. A cheating husband is a person I will not trust with a confidence, with my money, or to do my business. Often, I don't know whether a person is a dishonorable cheat, but, if I discover it, that is the last trust I will have in him. Same thing applies to women.

I can think of no more important position of trust than marriage. If a guy can't even maintain that level of trust, how can I trust him with anything? So, I don't.

Hmmm.

One wonders if the mineral primitive didn't vote for the Impeached One, then.

What the mineral primitive says is of course correct, absolutely correct, but one is still left wondering how he felt about the Impeached One.

dionysus  (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-19-10 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #11
 
14. i think the OP cheats on his wife with hookers. that is, if anyone would ever marry him.

MineralMan  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #14
 
17. I know absolutely nothing about the OP. He's just another name on DU. I just disagree with his statement.

dionysus  (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-19-10 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #17
 
20. it's the only think i can guess whenever these bizarre pro-infidelity threads pop up.

usually it's whenever john edwards gets mentioned, but i guess tiger's a suitable substitute...

PVnRT  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #14
 
21. Cheap hookers, at that

Cyrano  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 03:01 PM
OSCAR WILDE, THE LARGE-PROBOSCISED PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #11

29. What I find interesting is that you've chosen to concentrate on the sexual portion of my original post, while totally ignoring how each and every one of us are constantly getting screwed by our corporate owned politicians.

That would suggest to me that you either don't give a damn about the dilemma that the average person lives through daily. Either that, or you have a preoccupation with what others are or aren't doing in their bedrooms.

Either way, believe what you will and view the world as you will. But do you think you could possibly spare a word for the secondary point I was making in the OP about all of us getting screwed daily by those who are supposed to represent us?

dionysus  (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-19-10 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #29
 
31. weak way to sidestep you getting pwned hard in this thread, pimp daddy smooth...

MineralMan  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #29
 
32. Dude. When you use an analogy to make your point, you've gotta get the analogy right. If you don't, it's fail all the way down.

anonymous171  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #2
 
19. That does not make it right, praiseworthy, or morally permissable.  

Just because something IS does not mean that it is the right thing to do. Just because most men will cheat does not mean that they should cheat.

MineralMan  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #19
 
26. It's an incorrect statement, anyhow.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/10/03/o.why.me... /

"In a new study conducted by marriage counselor M. Gary Neuman, it's estimated that one in 2.7 men will cheat -- and most of their wives will never know about it."

That comes to 37%. Which means that 63% don't. Other stats support those numbers, more or less, but it's always a minority who cheat in the stats.

The OP is just plain wrong.

dionysus  (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-19-10 02:38 PM
Response to Original message
 
7. just because you cheat on your wife, doesnt mean everyone else does.

smoove johnny, is that you?

Alexander  (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-19-10 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #7
 
9. It's amazing how many weirdo DUers here try to justify cheating.

It seems to me that if someone wants to screw around on someone other than their spouse, they shouldn't be married in the first place.

I guess that concept is too advanced for some people.

Cyrano  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 02:43 PM
OSCAR WILDE, THE LARGE-PROBOSCISED PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #9

12. My replies to you runneth over. But I guess I'll give someone else a shot at it.

Alexander  (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-19-10 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #12
 
18. Someone else who will justify cheating? Oh boy!

I can't wait.

MineralMan  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #9
 
15. No, it's not too advanced. Most people believe that.  

It helps some people, I guess, to believe that everyone acts as they do. I find that amusing. Wrong, but amusing.

Cyrano  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 02:39 PM
OSCAR WILDE, THE LARGE-PROBOSCISED PRIMITIVE
Response to Original message

8. My guess as to the lack of replies to this thread is because your wife or significant other knows your screen name.

No problem. I understand.

dionysus  (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-19-10 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #8
 
10. ROFL

digging it deeper eh? how's those hookers doin for ya?

Cyrano  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 02:45 PM
OSCAR WILDE, THE LARGE-PROBOSCISED PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #10

13. C'mon guys. Stop letting the hypocrites rule this thread. How about some help here?

dionysus  (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-19-10 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #13
 
16. never was a cheatin' man myself.

MineralMan  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #13

22. Nah. You'll have to stand there on your own, I think, with your peccadilloes hanging out. You want to defend those who cheat on their wives? Feel free. You'll hear from those who don't, though. You'll also lose the respect of those who honor their promises. A guy who won't isn't trustworthy, in my opinion.

Cyrano  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 03:09 PM
OSCAR WILDE, THE LARGE-PROBOSCISED PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #22

34. What I find interesting is your lack of an answer to post #29.  

But since that has more to do with what we are really about than it does with sex, I guess you're just going to ignore it.

MineralMan  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #34
 
36. Look again, boyo. The answer's there. I had to step away from the computer to get the bad taste out of my mouth. When I came back I replied to your #29. Here's a hint: Your analogy is FAIL. Your premise is FAIL. Your argument, therefore, is FAIL.

Logic's funny that way.

MineralMan  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #13
 
33. Where'd all your philandering buddies go, there, Cyrano?

Nowhere to be found, are they? Just some guys poking holes in the condom of your dreams.

PVnRT  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #8

23. No, it has to do with your moronic assertion at the beginning of the post

However, I'm happy to keep this kicked so that others can see your stupidity.

Cyrano  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 03:15 PM
OSCAR WILDE, THE LARGE-PROBOSCISED PRIMITIVE
Response to Original message

38. Well, it seems that the average DU male has as much guts as the average Democratic congressman when it comes to speaking up for reality.

All of you holier-than-thou guys who have posted here must understand that you're in a minuscule minority because the average DUer can't answer without cutting himself off for a few weeks.

However, enjoy your righteousness. And be glad the census doesn't ask the questions that would freak you out if you ever saw the answers.

MineralMan  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #38
 
39. And the champion retires to his corner. He forfeits the fight!

KO in zero punches.

dionysus  (1000+ posts)      Fri Feb-19-10 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #39
 
40. DOWN GOES CYRANO! DOWN GOES CYRANO!!

MineralMan  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #40
 
42. His considerable nose is bloodied, but he'll return to fight again.

But, wait...what are those cheers? Where are his fans?

MineralMan  (1000+ posts)        Fri Feb-19-10 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #38
 
41. Most DU males, my friend, are above average. It would be a higher mark were it not for those few who bring the average down.

I dunno for sure, but it seems to me this campfire (in its entirety, above) didn't evolve the way Oscar Wilde had expected it to evolve.

[IassaFTots]

I need to go find that thread about who is your favorite DUmmy.  Mineral Man has my vote. 

[Mike220]

Wow. Between Mineral Man and Dionysus, Oscar Wilde gets beat like the proverbial red-headed stepchild.

[GOBUCKS]

I am sure he is otherwise a despicable rodent of a person, but on this point I have to agree with DUmmy Mineral Man.

If I know that a man has violated a solemn oath before God, which is what the marriage vow is, then in my mind he is devoid of honor in every other aspect of his life. I reject absolutely the premise that human nature makes such behavior unavoidable. That argument is just a refuge for scoundrels.

[dutch508]

[DUmpmonkiez] RACIST! That is clearly racist! [/DUmpmonkiez]


 

[The Village Idiot]

DUmmie beat down, clean up on aisle zero

[Carl]

Good God they are just stupid.

[IassaFTots]

pintobean (706 posts)      Fri Feb-19-10 03:31 PM
Response to Original message
45. Married 21+ years, never cheated
 I've never cheated on girlfriends before marriage either. I agree with everything MineralMan has said in this thread.

Put that in your condom and stroke it.

The hits just keep on coming.  Someone is having a very bad day. 

[AprilRazz]

I actually agree with some of the primitives that are ganging up on him.
It hurts! It hurts!!

[Mike220]

I actually agree with some of the primitives that are ganging up on him.
It hurts! It hurts!!

It is quite disconcerting, I agree.

[The Village Idiot]

It is quite disconcerting, I agree.

Its like a DU thread gone bi-polar

[delilahmused]

You know, I really feel sorry for who ever is married to Cyrano. I can't imagine what it would be like to be in a marriage where you couldn't trust your spouse. It' never even occurred to me to be suspicious of my husband.

Cindie

[franksolich]

You know, I really feel sorry for who ever is married to Cyrano. I can't imagine what it would be like to be in a marriage where you couldn't trust your spouse.

I get the impression, which might, or might not, be correct, that Oscar Wilde is a single, probably of the heterosexual persuasion, but single nonetheless, and that he's actually pretty low-keyed, when it comes to sexual desires.

Oscar Wilde seems to want to have been tempted, but hasn't been.

It's probably not that there's something in him that repels females, but just that he can't get all agog and excited about sex like most males do.

I don't suspect Oscar Wilde is impotent or anything like that; it's just that chocolate ice cream or lace doilies excite him more than sex does.

There are after all people like that.

Don't ask me how I figured this out, because I can't tell you; it's just that I've read so much of Oscar Wilde the past few years and this is the Freudian "picture" that's evolved.

[USA4ME]

Cyrano

..... while the majority of us, who are ****ed every single day, hour, and minute of our lives by our government representatives .....

And yet you Dems/libs want more and bigger gov't.

This is why primtives are viewed as being extremely stupid; they can't make the connection between what they desire and what they say.

.

[vesta111]

I get the impression, which might, or might not, be correct, that Oscar Wilde is a single, probably of the heterosexual persuasion, but single nonetheless, and that he's actually pretty low-keyed, when it comes to sexual desires.

Oscar Wilde seems to want to have been tempted, but hasn't been.

It's probably not that there's something in him that repels females, but just that he can't get all agog and excited about sex like most males do.

I don't suspect Oscar Wilde is impotent or anything like that; it's just that chocolate ice cream or lace doilies excite him more than sex does.

There are after all people like that.

Don't ask me how I figured this out, because I can't tell you; it's just that I've read so much of Oscar Wilde the past few years and this is the Freudian "picture" that's evolved.

FRANK, give me a break here, ask any woman from grandma to a 16 year old niece, the last person they would ever expect to hit hit on them would be a married man.

For some reason we woman are taught that married men with children are safe people to associate with. From Pastor, Cop, Doctor, Teacher, to the friends of the family or relatives..

Unfortunately these are the very people that pray on woman.

Then when a man goes astray we blame the wife, obviously she is not giving him what he needs. ------How does this go, if the man is satisfied at home he will not stray so it is the fault of the wife for not satisfying her man.

So, a wife has sex with husband before work, when he comes home for lunch and before bed.    Meanwhile the husband catches a bit of afternoon delight with a hooker for variety.

What the heck can we we woman know about a mans libero,   all men are different and all have different needs.

Having been married a time or two, I have seen my husbands walk into posts, walls and darn fall into the middle of the street when they see a half naked woman either walk by or at the Casinos playing at the tables.

No threat to me, these are strangers and most of the time I point them out to him and laugh as they fall over their feet.

Men are born and made a sex machine, they have no choice but to keep the species going, it is in their DNA code.

Big difference between love and lust. Some of the worse hore dogs love their wives to the point they will kill  those they lust for to keep their family intact.

[jukin]

I am sure he is otherwise a despicable rodent of a person, but on this point I have to agree with DUmmy Mineral Man.

If I know that a man has violated a solemn oath before God, which is what the marriage vow is, then in my mind he is devoid of honor in every other aspect of his life. I reject absolutely the premise that human nature makes such behavior unavoidable. That argument is just a refuge for scoundrels.

My thoughts exactly. If you can't trust someone to be faithful, what can you trust them at?  I had a partner once that I found out was cheating.  Within months I had sold out. All I could think was if the guy would cheat on his wife, what would he do to his business partners. 

[delilahmused]

FRANK, give me a break here, ask any woman from grandma to a 16 year old niece, the last person they would ever expect to hit hit on them would be a married man.

For some reason we woman are taught that married men with children are safe people to associate with. From Pastor, Cop, Doctor, Teacher, to the friends of the family or relatives..

Unfortunately these are the very people that pray on woman.

Then when a man goes astray we blame the wife, obviously she is not giving him what he needs. ------How does this go, if the man is satisfied at home he will not stray so it is the fault of the wife for not satisfying her man.

So, a wife has sex with husband before work, when he comes home for lunch and before bed.    Meanwhile the husband catches a bit of afternoon delight with a hooker for variety.

What the heck can we we woman know about a mans libero,   all men are different and all have different needs.

Having been married a time or two, I have seen my husbands walk into posts, walls and darn fall into the middle of the street when they see a half naked woman either walk by or at the Casinos playing at the tables.

No threat to me, these are strangers and most of the time I point them out to him and laugh as they fall over their feet.

Men are born and made a sex machine, they have no choice but to keep the species going, it is in their DNA code.

Big difference between love and lust. Some of the worse hore dogs love their wives to the point they will kill  those they lust for to keep their family intact.

You used to be married to Cyrano right? Because between us and the DUmmies only you two seem to think men can't keep it in their pants. I don't think cheating (which is VERY different from wanting to keep "the species" going) is in their DNA. There is a difference between love and lust, fortunately married couples who consider their vows sacred can have both. Wanting variety doesn't mean a guy has to stick his dick in someone else. There are plenty of ways to keep sex exciting without straying.

And a "whore dog" who would kill to keep his family intact (which, again, is NOT the same thing as honoring a commitment to your wife) isn't likely to give a rip about what his wife (or children) think. It's about possession, not love. I don't know what kind of men you've been around but I don't think I want to live in your world. What a sad world yours must be if you think so little of them.


Cindie

[debk]

You know, I really feel sorry for who ever is married to Cyrano. I can't imagine what it would be like to be in a marriage where you couldn't trust your spouse. It' never even occurred to me to be suspicious of my husband.

Cindie

Me neither.....until I came face to face with the 23yo nurse he was sleeping with.

You used to be married to Cyrano right? Because between us and the DUmmies only you two seem to think men can't keep it in their pants. I don't think cheating (which is VERY different from wanting to keep "the species" going) is in their DNA. There is a difference between love and lust, fortunately married couples who consider their vows sacred can have both. Wanting variety doesn't mean a guy has to stick his dick in someone else. There are plenty of ways to keep sex exciting without straying.

And a "whore dog" who would kill to keep his family intact (which, again, is NOT the same thing as honoring a commitment to your wife) isn't likely to give a rip about what his wife (or children) think. It's about possession, not love. I don't know what kind of men you've been around but I don't think I want to live in your world. What a sad world yours must be if you think so little of them.


Cindie

As someone who is older than many of you.....in my adult life....most of the men who have "hit" on me....have been married.

And some of them were married to my friends.

Doctors, lawyers, and Indian Chiefs (business men).

Maybe it had to do with their career choices in that they were/are used to getting whatever they want....if they couldn't get it for free...they could buy it.

Do I agree with Cyrano's 97%....no.

But I would bet it's close to 50%.

Maybe I'm cynical....but I know too many men, who have thought nothing of cheating on their wives....and a high percentage of them are still married to the women they have cheated on for years.

Do the women know....in many cases... yes.

But they aren't willing to give up the "perks" that come with their marriage. The money, the status, the beautiful homes - at home and at the beach or the mountains - in some cases both, the trips.

The women are well aware....that if they leave the marriage....the perks will go away. Their husbands provide the large income which brings the great life. And the husbands will continue to live that life....with or without the wife.

The women have also stayed because of their children...and then stay because of their own age. Not many women are willing to walk away from a not so great marriage, but a great lifestyle - when they are in their mid to late 40's and beyond.

I know many women in this situation.....and they aren't leaving.

Nor are their husbands going to stop screwing around.

Maybe it's a Southern thing.

[The Village Idiot]

Not a southern thing.

Our culture has been reconditioned by government schools and the media, marriage is meaningless to a very large portion of people.

[AllosaursRus]

I am sure he is otherwise a despicable rodent of a person, but on this point I have to agree with DUmmy Mineral Man.

If I know that a man has violated a solemn oath before God, which is what the marriage vow is, then in my mind he is devoid of honor in every other aspect of his life. I reject absolutely the premise that human nature makes such behavior unavoidable. That argument is just a refuge for scoundrels.

Good thing that asshat isn't married to "Toots"! He'd be meeting a baseball bat in the middle of the night! He fails to realize many of us don't cheat, because it would be hazardous to our health!

[thundley4]

Good thing that asshat isn't married to "Toots"! He'd be meeting a baseball bat in the middle of the night! He fails to realize many of us don't cheat, because it would be hazardous to our health!

Some of us are happy with what we have and don't want to have to train another one be retrained.

[AllosaursRus]

You used to be married to Cyrano right? Because between us and the DUmmies only you two seem to think men can't keep it in their pants. I don't think cheating (which is VERY different from wanting to keep "the species" going) is in their DNA. There is a difference between love and lust, fortunately married couples who consider their vows sacred can have both. Wanting variety doesn't mean a guy has to stick his dick in someone else. There are plenty of ways to keep sex exciting without straying.

And a "whore dog" who would kill to keep his family intact (which, again, is NOT the same thing as honoring a commitment to your wife) isn't likely to give a rip about what his wife (or children) think. It's about possession, not love. I don't know what kind of men you've been around but I don't think I want to live in your world. What a sad world yours must be if you think so little of them.


Cindie

I think the secret lies in, "I've been married a coupls times", Cin. I can't imagine going thru it more than once. Lol! Besides, after 37 years, as of the 10th, "Toots" knows what to do better than any other female, heh, heh!

ETA: ( She'd be the first to tell you she can be a whore, but she'll also tell you she's my whore! )

[AllosaursRus]

I luv these threads! I feel sorry for losers like the OP. I've had nothing but a complete life with "Toots"! In bed and out!

Funny how he chooses a name right out of medieval lit. Cyrano, if I'm not mistaken, was a real womanizer!

[vesta111]

I think the secret lies in, "I've been married a coupls times", Cin. I can't imagine going thru it more than once. Lol! Besides, after 37 years, as of the 10th, "Toots" knows what to do better than any other female, heh, heh!

ETA: ( She'd be the first to tell you she can be a whore, but she'll also tell you she's my whore! )

Alos, there is such a thing as being a WIDDOW who remarries you know.

As another poster pointed out one can tell the charactor of a man or woman by the way they treat not just their spouse but family also.

One does not have to do anything but live in the real world long enough and see what is going on around them. What a shock when people divorce after 30-40 years of marriage and none of their friends or family knew there were problems.

There is a darn good reason why Widows find themselves left out of their circle of friends, she becomes a threat to her friends that still have their husbands.

That said,   they say the wife is the last to know.    Not true, unless they end up in the headlines as Missing. There is the CAT in all woman, curiosity, a 6 sense when things change ever so slightly.

It drives me nuts to accidentally find out that a friends husband is cheating on her. I have to force myself to move away from them as the chances are that the wandering husband will go home to their family, wife never knows and the family stays intact. Perhaps this is a one time aberration for the husband.

Out right outrage when someone finds it their DUITY to inform the wife of the situation. how dare they interfear.      Their excuse is that THEY would want to know if their hubby was cheating on them.    Bull Crap-----they have become a catalyst to determine the future lives of an intire family.

[JohnnyReb]

Every cheating man has a female helper.