http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2992482I just love watching the DUmb****s meltdown over this spitzer thing.
sfexpat2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Mar-11-08 05:13 PM
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Selective prosecution is not justice. It's a crime.
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Targeting Democrats is not justice. It's manipulating our Justice system to consolidate power.
Going on fishing trips to find something on your opponent has nothing to do with morality or the law. It's political opportunism.
Spitzer most likely is guilty of hiring a prostitute.
The Bush "Justice" Department is more guilty of political prosecutions, of attempting to tamper with our elections via these prosecutions, of subverting what little democracy we have left by manipulating our system to their advantage. Of browbeating us all into agreement: "He is guilty, he needs to go down".
How many Republicans have been given a pass? What kind of justice do we have when how you are judged depends upon what your affiliation is?
This is not to say that Democrats should be given a "pass", too.
But, who the Bush "Justice" Department goes after is wholly political. It has nothing to do with upholding the Constitution or the law.
Selective enforcement of the law is not justice. It's a crime.
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There is no conspiracy you idiot.
sfexpat2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Mar-11-08 05:19 PM
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2. I'm sorry for what you guys are going through, mak3cats.
It's such a shame. And, there is this whole OTHER political aspect, too. 
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Mar-11-08 05:24 PM
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7. You said it. If there was an (R) behind Spitzer's name, would any
of this even be happening?
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Those who are found guilty of breaking the law get punished regardless of political leanings. That is how it works you idiot.
The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Mar-11-08 05:35 PM
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11. Why don't they allow us to selectively prosecute a Republican and
we'll call it even?
My vote is for Bush.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Mar-11-08 05:39 PM
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12. Indeed!
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 05:39 PM by Beetwasher
:thumbsup:
I smell some serious trolling going on around here w/ this Spitzer story. It's not hard to get the concept that he can be guilty of hiring and yet still be targeted for a political hit and that they are two separate things and both crimes. The political hit being the FAR greater transgression. Those that feign outrage at Spitzer and deny the possibility of a political hit by screaming "CONSPIRACY" are nothing more than trolls and I'm not afraid to say it.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Mar-11-08 06:11 PM
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24. NOBODY IS ****ING SAYING THAT
Jesus christ, quit the stupid act. No one is saying Spitzer is innocent, only that the prosecution of him stinks of politics and THAT is a GREATER crime if he was politically targeted. You are being intentionally obtuse at this point.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Mar-11-08 05:39 PM
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12. Indeed!
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 05:39 PM by Beetwasher
:thumbsup:
I smell some serious trolling going on around here w/ this Spitzer story. It's not hard to get the concept that he can be guilty of hiring and yet still be targeted for a political hit and that they are two separate things and both crimes. The political hit being the FAR greater transgression. Those that feign outrage at Spitzer and deny the possibility of a political hit by screaming "CONSPIRACY" are nothing more than trolls and I'm not afraid to say it.
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proud2Blib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Mar-11-08 05:42 PM
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14. I am not a troll
And I think if he hired a prostitute, he is guilty of a crime. Prostitution is illegal.
It is troubling if he was targeted. However, that doesn't erase the fact that he did indeed break the law.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Mar-11-08 05:48 PM
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15. No, it is a CRIME if he was targeted. JOHNS DON'T GET PROSECUTED in NY
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So this is selective prosecution and thus the DOJ's BEHAVIOR is a crime by DEFINITION.
Worse is that you and theboss aren't familiar with the history of the
Mann Act which was created to politically prosecute wealthy celebrities.
Google Jack Johnson.
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proud2Blib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Mar-11-08 05:55 PM
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17. So if it can be proven he was targeted, he isn't guilty of hiring a prostitute
or violating the Mann act? The Mann act is still on the books, is it not?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Mar-11-08 06:11 PM
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24. NOBODY IS ****ING SAYING THAT
Jesus christ, quit the stupid act. No one is saying Spitzer is innocent, only that the prosecution of him stinks of politics and THAT is a GREATER crime if he was politically targeted. You are being intentionally obtuse at this point.
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proud2Blib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Mar-11-08 06:29 PM
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30. "JOHNS DON'T GET PROSECUTED in NY"
Just a few posts above yours.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Mar-11-08 08:20 PM
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33. Seriously, WTF Are You Talking About?
That's not excusing Spitzer of his wrongdoing, it's merely pointing out that it's unusual for a john to be prosecuted in NY. You really go out of your way to throw out strawmen and misconstrue just about everything you read don't you?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Mar-11-08 05:50 PM
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16. Except You Refuse To Acknowledge
That that's not the crime he was being investigated for. He was being investigated for MONEY LAUNDERING and possible bribery and those charges at first glance seem to be complete and total bullshit and were what the approval for wiretaps were supposedly based upon.
"It is troubling if he was targeted."
Yes, that's the whole ****ing point. No one is arguing that what he did by hiring prostitutes was illegal and wrong. No one. Not a single person. It's TROUBLING THAT IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE HE WAS TARGETED BECAUSE OF HIS POLITICAL AFFILIATION. Good grief, it's really not a difficult concept and if someone doesn't get it and keeps being dense about it, then frankly, I suspect trolling.
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proud2Blib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Mar-11-08 05:59 PM
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19. And I suspect rude and nasty responses
The whole point is he broke the law. He knew what he was doing was illegal. And he got caught. Period.
If in your fantasy world it can be proven that he was targeted and selectively prosecuted while others got off, (Vitter?) then we have ANOTHER case for selective prosecution. However, that doesn't negate the fact that he is still guilty of a crime.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Mar-11-08 06:09 PM
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22. No, It's Not "And he got caught. Period. "
"However, that doesn't negate the fact that he is still guilty of a crime."
Holy ****ing shit, no one is saying it negates anything, jeenyus. We are discussing the fact that if he was targeted because of his political affiliation that is ALSO a crime and ARGUABLY an even GREATER crime.
See, when people consistently and totally keep missing the point so egregiously, I reasonably suspect them of trolling. Just like I reasonably suspect political motivations for the DOJ's involvement and prosecution of this case based on prior experience.
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you suspect anyone who disagrees with you of trolling.
