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DUmmy got me thinking
« on: February 11, 2010, 02:19:41 PM »
Is it time to revamp and renew this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_with_America

With $1.9trillion dollar deficits I think the political climate has reached critical mass.
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Re: DUmmy got me thinking
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2010, 02:48:03 PM »
The website is undergoing updates, but I had brought over some of the top choices.
http://www.contractfromamerica.com/IdeaFaq.aspx

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,39522.0.html

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Re: DUmmy got me thinking
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2010, 05:18:24 PM »
Is it time to revamp and renew this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_with_America

With $1.9trillion dollar deficits I think the political climate has reached critical mass.

The whole critical mass thing is what scares me.  I understand that this is America, and I understand that Americans really do not believe anything truly bad can happen to them for they think they can vote next time around and keep arguing later.  The problem is, the real world does not work that way.  Bad things do happen.

Whats my point?  Mathematics. 

I have no problem debating the political issues but people treat the money problem as if it were a political issue.  By the time the arguing is getting heated up really well this whole show is going to come to a crashing stop.  While I believe there is so much that we need to accomplish I sincerely question if there is any time left.  My background comes from two major places and it is why I focus on these areas so much.  First my experience working in intel and all that went with that game such as counter insurgency, secondly my experience with markets. 

What I see shaping is a very serious conflict.  Years ago I would have never imagined this possible, now its in my face and so obvious. 

My question is, does anyone here who is far more political savey than I am and that also FULLY understands the mathematics behind this nightmare believe that a tragic end can be avoided?  By the end of Obamas term, based upon the spending ability he has already enacted, we will be reaching a 100% debt to GDP threshold and that is only 1/10 of the problem.  This is beyond critical mass, its going to be a nightmare.

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Re: DUmmy got me thinking
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2010, 05:47:41 PM »


My question is, does anyone here who is far more political savey than I am and that also FULLY understands the mathematics behind this nightmare believe that a tragic end can be avoided?  By the end of Obamas term, based upon the spending ability he has already enacted, we will be reaching a 100% debt to GDP threshold and that is only 1/10 of the problem.  This is beyond critical mass, its going to be a nightmare.

Yes it can be avoided and the catalyst goes critical on November 2, 2010 and will be set come the first of January 2011.  The president doesn't control the money and the first thing that must happen is people that aren't cut from the same cloth as the jug eared Kenyan in power.

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Re: DUmmy got me thinking
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2010, 08:13:37 PM »
Yes it can be avoided and the catalyst goes critical on November 2, 2010 and will be set come the first of January 2011.  The president doesn't control the money and the first thing that must happen is people that aren't cut from the same cloth as the jug eared Kenyan in power.



I understand what your depicting, yet it does not cover the issue of the currency issue.  Even if we were to totally disolve the Federal Government today, it would take two to three generations to have any hope of pulling out of this debt.  Now I seriously doubt that anyone elected will walk into government and wave a magic wand to shut it all down.  So I am left wondering, what good will any of the new political agendas do to help us?

The answer is not in the 2010 elections at all.  It does not matter what is done next year, its enough of what has already been done in the past.  Consider the mathematics.  Its just mindblowing.

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Re: DUmmy got me thinking
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2010, 07:39:46 PM »
The whole critical mass thing is what scares me.  I understand that this is America, and I understand that Americans really do not believe anything truly bad can happen to them for they think they can vote next time around and keep arguing later.  The problem is, the real world does not work that way.  Bad things do happen.

Whats my point?  Mathematics.  

I have no problem debating the political issues but people treat the money problem as if it were a political issue.  By the time the arguing is getting heated up really well this whole show is going to come to a crashing stop.  While I believe there is so much that we need to accomplish I sincerely question if there is any time left.  My background comes from two major places and it is why I focus on these areas so much.  First my experience working in intel and all that went with that game such as counter insurgency, secondly my experience with markets.  

What I see shaping is a very serious conflict.  Years ago I would have never imagined this possible, now its in my face and so obvious.  

My question is, does anyone here who is far more political savey than I am and that also FULLY understands the mathematics behind this nightmare believe that a tragic end can be avoided?  By the end of Obamas term, based upon the spending ability he has already enacted, we will be reaching a 100% debt to GDP threshold and that is only 1/10 of the problem.  This is beyond critical mass, its going to be a nightmare.

Hi,

I get about six newlsetters daily from various parts of the world.  They all agree, the doo-doo is going to hit the fan.  The conventional thinking is that the government is trying to inflate the economy to pay off the massive debt with worthless dollars.  Of course that will devastate the baby boomers when they see their life savings will barely buy a loaf of bread.  

Also, there are a lot of folks that compare the impending crisis to the 1929 crash, food could easily be in short supply.  The major difference is in that time, most Americans were either living on a farm or one generation away from the farm, they could live of the land and many did.  Particularly the welfare population in the inner cities will have no clue....which could lead to some real issues.  We could easily get into some really ugly stuff........and that is when our nation is most vulnerable to a communist take over.  More than one publication I read has mentioned that people will give up freedom for security.

Now I would never say they are doing this, but just suppose Acorn was behind all kinds of stuff, I mean really bad stuff causing our population to feel more threatened than any of us could imagine.  Then a miracle worker, Lord Zero slips in and says if you the population do this and do that, I can bring it all under control.  Worked for Hitler, Castro and Chavez........

I have a bit more positive outlook however.  I think that in the mid term elections much of their bullet proof majority will go away.  Good chance Pelosi will ride into the sunset.  Democrats are Americans too, which is sometimes hard to believe, and they see themselves being led off a cliff.  Truthfully, I hope we get a leader with the real moral authority to lead, like a Schwartzkov or a Tommie Frank, who is beholden to no political party and has the skill to cut through the crap and get things fixed.  

It was many years ago when my daughter and her husband went through a course about families managing their money.  At the time they were up to their eyeballs in debt, had more credit cards than I could imagine, paying the minimum each month of most all of them.  Now their youngest child, my grandson, has cerebral palsy so it was easy to justify spending because you need this, that or the other thing.  She called me and told me about the workshop they attended and fessed up to her dad just how far in the hole they were.  I was not so sure she was not asking dear old dad to bail her out....and I took a deep breath and said, "Wow, what are you going to do about it?'  I was shocked.  Basically she and her husband had sat down together and put together a financial plan and it would take them seven long years but they could do it.  Each time they would cut up another credit card she would call and I would cheer with her on the phone.  Now with inflation, and their self imposed spending reductions, they actually did it in five years and oh how their lives have changed.

I tell you that story because the worst thing I could have done would have been to send them money because their behavior would have just continued.  At the same time a frank assessment of where you are, determining the difference between needs and wants when it comes to spending can come a long way to getting on the right track.  I am a believer that many folks never learn how to manage money until they do not have any.

Politicians who pride themselves on bringing home the bacon for the folks back home need to be ridiculed and replaced with those who realize they have better chances of getting reelected if they do the opposite, cut every unnecessary expenditure out of the budget they can.  I seriously doubt that Murtha, a pork king with his stupid airport that has no flights thought that all that spending in his distirct got him back in office.  My guess is where he comes from Mickey Mouse with a (D) next to his name would have got elected.

OK, my point is this.  It can be done, yes over a long period of time our fiscal problems can get back under control.  We must first start with a congress with the will to get it done.....and perhaps term limits for congress might help a lot.  WWII was credited as ending the great depression but folks fail to realize the budget was balanced when that happened.  Borrowing another trillion for a war this time makes things worse.

On a personal note, be prepared for survival, invest in assets that will rise with inflation because your dollars will be worthless.  If you can get a good bit of your money out of the country, yes even your IRA, (which is totally legal to do by the way, government just does not want folks to know it), so it is more difficult for the government to get their hands on it.  There are now folks who specialize in getting IRA's offshore, then using some of the money to invest in rental property (you cannot live there).  Very hard for Pelosi and friends to repatriate real estate.

Just some thoughts, it can be done and the conservatives must have the will power to force our elected leaders to do so.

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Re: DUmmy got me thinking
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2010, 08:05:27 AM »

On a personal note, be prepared for survival, invest in assets that will rise with inflation because your dollars will be worthless.  If you can get a good bit of your money out of the country, yes even your IRA, (which is totally legal to do by the way, government just does not want folks to know it), so it is more difficult for the government to get their hands on it.  There are now folks who specialize in getting IRA's offshore, then using some of the money to invest in rental property (you cannot live there).  Very hard for Pelosi and friends to repatriate real estate.


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Being prepared for survival is one thing that I have focused heavily on.  Everything from land, paid for in cash and home for that matter, food, solar power, weapons, ammo, gennies, medical supplies and so on.  The list can get very long and varied.  What I find so interesting is that when you talk to some people about this issue they start looking at you first like your crazy and then secondly as if you actually want it to happen.  I have a five year old daughter that has a medical condition and inside of any type of fallout in our world she will most likely die.  There is nothing that I can do to stop it without proper medical attention that is not easily obtained.  It is not as easy as popping a pill in her mouth when what is wrong is bone development and structure. 

I understand what you said about fiscal responsibility.  I hope that you are right, yet from what I see within the markets and government day in and out it would seem impossible to do considering the government on both sides these days refuse to tighten belts.  I heard one EU analyst say that the debt load for the USA is already beyond repair based upon the past performance he does not even see anyone willing to address the issue properly.  One of the major issues to be addressed that you touched on lightly is that a major part of the population does not know how to "go back to the basics" of life.  The majority of that knowledge is dead now within our population so even inside of tough times it will be difficult at best for people to find and take care of their basic needs.  Where that will lead us, no one knows.  One thing that I do know, it will all come to a head at some point.

Yet what I do know is that my family is getting as prepared as possible.  I have had extensive work within the military on the ground and an amazing source of information and training from my wife who has fought and won one revolution with her countrymen.

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Re: DUmmy got me thinking
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2010, 11:11:25 AM »
Being prepared for survival is one thing that I have focused heavily on.  Everything from land, paid for in cash and home for that matter, food, solar power, weapons, ammo, gennies, medical supplies and so on.  The list can get very long and varied.  What I find so interesting is that when you talk to some people about this issue they start looking at you first like your crazy and then secondly as if you actually want it to happen.  I have a five year old daughter that has a medical condition and inside of any type of fallout in our world she will most likely die.  There is nothing that I can do to stop it without proper medical attention that is not easily obtained.  It is not as easy as popping a pill in her mouth when what is wrong is bone development and structure. 

I understand what you said about fiscal responsibility.  I hope that you are right, yet from what I see within the markets and government day in and out it would seem impossible to do considering the government on both sides these days refuse to tighten belts.  I heard one EU analyst say that the debt load for the USA is already beyond repair based upon the past performance he does not even see anyone willing to address the issue properly.  One of the major issues to be addressed that you touched on lightly is that a major part of the population does not know how to "go back to the basics" of life.  The majority of that knowledge is dead now within our population so even inside of tough times it will be difficult at best for people to find and take care of their basic needs.  Where that will lead us, no one knows.  One thing that I do know, it will all come to a head at some point.

Yet what I do know is that my family is getting as prepared as possible.  I have had extensive work within the military on the ground and an amazing source of information and training from my wife who has fought and won one revolution with her countrymen.

Hi,

Indeed we have experienced the same thing.  My wife and I are spending a lot of money investigating places like Panama and Costa Rica; particularly for health care.  We too have read more than one book on survival.  Have the pills and kids to make water pure, stocking up on food supplies etc.  The biggest problem I see is this.  If you are living anywhere near a population center, and you have prepared properly, let's just say those who are unprepared, particularly if they are starving, will be encouraging you to share.  That is when protecting your family will take on a whole new dimension because you will have to protect them from starving to death.

God, lets hope it never comes to that.  I have always felt it is good to have a contingency plan and never have to open the file.

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Re: DUmmy got me thinking
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2010, 08:02:26 AM »
Hi,

Indeed we have experienced the same thing.  My wife and I are spending a lot of money investigating places like Panama and Costa Rica; particularly for health care.  We too have read more than one book on survival.  Have the pills and kids to make water pure, stocking up on food supplies etc.  The biggest problem I see is this.  If you are living anywhere near a population center, and you have prepared properly, let's just say those who are unprepared, particularly if they are starving, will be encouraging you to share.  That is when protecting your family will take on a whole new dimension because you will have to protect them from starving to death.

God, lets hope it never comes to that.  I have always felt it is good to have a contingency plan and never have to open the file.

regards,
5412

Population centers will become chaos.  Luckily I have a nice spot in the country and also a "militia" backing me that happened to form from neighbors just coming together that believe and think the same way as many here do.  One of my last major components that I am getting hooked up is solar power within the next week or so. 

What is so scary is that we actually have to think like this within our own country.  Despite my time working in military intel, training in the Marine Corps, working in counter insurgency and even having spent time with some spec ops this potential situation can present problems no one has ever been taught about nor trained for.  Inside of this situation there is no outside support whatsoever at any time.  No resupply being a major issue that most units never face  in todays modern warfare and zero support from any real geometry of warfare leaves anyone open with their pants down around their ankles. 

I hope and pray it does not come to this.