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Offline thundley4

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Heck of a job Arne.
« on: January 31, 2010, 08:03:55 PM »
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Are_grits_groceries   (1000+ posts)             Fri Jan-29-10 04:51 PM
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Arne Duncan called Hurricane Katrina "the best thing that happened to the education system in NOLA

Education Secretary Arne Duncan: Hurricane Katrina helped New Orleans schools

Education Secretary Arne Duncan called Hurricane Katrina "the best thing that happened to the education system in New Orleans" because it forced the community to take steps to improve low-performing public schools, according to excerpts from the transcript of a television interview made public Friday afternoon.

The excerpts, e-mailed to reporters, quoted Duncan as giving an evaluation of the impact of the 2005 hurricane on the city's schools.

"This is a tough thing to say, but let me be really honest," Duncan was quoted as saying. "I think the best thing that happened to the education system in New Orleans was Hurricane Katrina. That e- -- education system was a disaster, and it took Hurricane Katrina to wake up the community to say that 'We have to do better.' And the progress that they've made in four years since the hurricane is unbelievable. They have a chance to create a phenomenal school district. Long way to go, but that -- that city was not serious about its education. Those children were being desperately underserved prior, and the amount of progress and the amount of reform we've seen in a short amount of time has been absolutely amazing."

Education Department spokeswoman Sandra Abrevaya had no immediate comment.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

Heckuva job Arne! Just STFU! He has no clue about the trauma that occurred and is still occurring because of Katrina. He needs to just go away!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7602760

Arne misspoke , he meant that anything that causes a breakup of the union strangle hold on education can't be all bad.


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LisaM   (1000+ posts)           Fri Jan-29-10 04:53 PM
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2. By that logic, the kids in Haiti are really lucky.
   
I don't like Arne Duncan, I think he was a terrible choice. He's pro charter schools and anti-teacher. Given his attitude about Katrina, perhaps he should hang out with Barbara Bush - who had a NERVE to go sit in the Superdome last week.

Dayum, Arne almost sounds like a reasonable educator. Too bad he couldn't effect any change in Chicago.

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madrchsod   (1000+ posts)             Fri Jan-29-10 04:58 PM
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4. maybe this will force obama to get rid of this loser
   


he`s did nothing for the chicago school system. both the public schools and charter schools have`t shown any real gains during and after his leadership.

By that standard, Lord Zero should fire all of his czars and other appointees. They're all worthless hacks.

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Re: Heck of a job Arne.
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2010, 08:10:49 PM »
The primitives are just being stupid.

As usual.

That quote, when taken in context, is similar with saying the second world war was good for the European steel industry.

Because what happened was that all of these antiquated inefficient steel mills were blown into oblivion, utterly wrecked, and the steel industry had to start all over again, with new technology and new facilities.

We know the consequences of that.

It's almost too bad Bethlehem, Pennsylvania; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; Gary, Indiana; and Birmingham, Alabama, never got nuked.

The primitives are just being stupid, ascribing a meaning to that comment that isn't meant.

As usual.

Scum, the primitives.
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Re: Heck of a job Arne.
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2010, 08:23:45 PM »
The DUmmies have it in fro Arne.  The fact that he likes charter schools is enough for them to want to be rid of him.
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Re: Heck of a job Arne.
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2010, 12:26:38 AM »
Arne just said we won't waste a crisis when we can fix the schools.

something like that sounds familiar.
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Re: Heck of a job Arne.
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2010, 07:55:08 AM »
I am sure that noe one of those idiots have ever or are living in New Orleans.  Go down there with school age kids, enroll them in the schools and see what you get.  Almost everyone that I knew when I was there had their kids in private schools.  But they kept electing the same people to the school board.  Could not figure that part out.

As a former resident,  Katrina missed by 70 miles east. 
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Re: Heck of a job Arne.
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2010, 08:48:18 AM »
Quote from: Doc Savage on February 01, 2010, 07:55:08 AM
I am sure that noe one of those idiots have ever or are living in New Orleans.  Go down there with school age kids, enroll them in the schools and see what you get.  Almost everyone that I knew when I was there had their kids in private schools.  But they kept electing the same people to the school board.  Could not figure that part out.

As a former resident,  Katrina missed by 70 miles east. 

wait, what? East of NOLA? or east of where it should have hit (Texas?)
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Re: Heck of a job Arne.
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2010, 11:02:06 AM »
The success of our public schools in action:

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4. hHe`s diddone nothing for the cChicago school system. bothNeither the public schools and nor charter schools have`t shown any real gains during andor after his leadership.

Atrocious. 
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Re: Heck of a job Arne.
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2010, 11:14:49 AM »
Quote from: FGL on February 01, 2010, 08:48:18 AM
wait, what? East of NOLA? or east of where it should have hit (Texas?)
70 miles east of New Orleans.  Perfect storm would have had the surge going right up the Mississippi, then the eye over Lake Ponchitrain sucking all the water out and raining 20 inched on the big easy.
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Re: Heck of a job Arne.
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2010, 11:16:09 AM »
I immediately placed that quote as my signature when I heard he had said it -- he is 100% correct of course.   
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Re: Heck of a job Arne.
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2010, 02:31:58 PM »
Ooooh, that's goin' to leave a mark on the Bummer's pointy little head with the big ears!
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Re: Heck of a job Arne.
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2010, 05:13:39 PM »
Is this the same guy that got Chicago's school system to have a 60% graduation rate?

The guys good no doubt about it.
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Re: Heck of a job Arne.
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2010, 06:36:54 PM »
Gritty and Madd Flo are always sure to entertain when the topic turns to teachers and education.  For Hack89 I am smelling granite unless the party line gets toed.  The following is quite an exchange. 

Mzteris begins by supporting a position similar to what Frank pointed out up thread.

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mzteris (1000+ posts)      Fri Jan-29-10 06:45 PM
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26. what about what he said isn't true?
 He's repeating what is said in NO all the time.

While Katrina was a tragedy - *something good* was made from the wreckage.

I don't get the ire. He's not saying it was a good thing Hurricane Katrina happened, but it's happening FORCED a community to re-work it's education system in a way that needed doing.

Communities don't have the "b*lls" to completely tear down their antiquated systems and start from scratch without being forced to. NO had no choice, and they took advantage of a bad situation to make something positive. 
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 madfloridian  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-29-10 06:55 PM
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29. You really don't get it?   
 I guess not..not if you have to ask.

I have seen most everything defended at DU lately. Not surprised. 
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 hack89 (1000+ posts)      Fri Jan-29-10 07:19 PM
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30. He said that terrible events sometimes produce beneficial change
 do you really think he was saying we need more Katrina's? I think you are simply looking for something to be outraged about.

Do you disagree that the schools are better now?
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madfloridian  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-29-10 08:03 PM
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36. It's called disaster capitalism.   
 Taking advantage of nature's tragedies to privatize schools.

 
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hack89 (1000+ posts)      Fri Jan-29-10 08:34 PM
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42. Except there is no mention of school privatization in New Orleans nt
 
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madfloridian  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-29-10 08:48 PM
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46. Who runs the charter schools that formed after Katrina?? 
 Oh, and read this.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

 
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hack89 (1000+ posts)      Fri Jan-29-10 08:51 PM
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47. Considering how poor the schools were
 charter schools may be the way to go. I have no problem breaking up the education industry if it means the kids get a good education. 
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madfloridian  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-29-10 09:05 PM
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56. There was no "education industry." It WAS public education.   
 NOW Arne is turning it into an industry. If you are fine with it, that is your right.

They have destroyed good schools by taking money away and giving it to charters run by private companies.

You have fallen hard for the propaganda.

So many people have done that, it is destroying public schools. 
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omega minimo  (1000+ posts)       Sat Jan-30-10 03:41 PM
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85. what right wing talk show do those talking points come from?
 
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hack89 (1000+ posts)      Sat Jan-30-10 05:54 PM
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101. Just my experience in a state with a poor education system. nt
 
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omega minimo  (1000+ posts)       Sat Jan-30-10 05:57 PM
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102. The education system seemed like an "industry"?
 Esp. if it was bad, I wouldn't think to call it that...............
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hack89 (1000+ posts)      Sat Jan-30-10 06:17 PM
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103. Very much so
 Teacher unions are very politically active in RI - can you imagine a state where active union officials are also members of the state legislature? They spend large amounts of money to influence law makers - they buy influence that the common tax payer can't even dream of. The result? Sub-standard schools; high drop out rates, inadequate state funding for students and yet the teacher are highly payed with benefits that average citizen will never see. And they use their influence to resist any attempt at reform or to relieve the burden on the tax payer. It is clear that the teacher unions care only about teachers - not the students. They are no different then the people that run the banks.
 

Res ipsa loquitur
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