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primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« on: January 31, 2010, 11:53:32 AM »
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FarCenter (1000+ posts)      Fri Jan-29-10 09:45 PM
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1st high-speed railway in west China finishes trial operation 

http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90776/90884/6882228....

The first high-speed passenger railway in western China, which links Xi'an with Zhengzhou, finished trial operation Thursday, the designer said.

The trial train finished the 505-km journey in 1 hour and 48 minutes at a speed of up to 352 km/h, said Bai Cuncang, the railway's chief engineer.

The line will help shorten the travel time between the two major cities to less than two hours from current six hours, according to the China Railway First Survey and Design Institute.

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Note that this is an actual high-speed train operating at up to 218 mph, with average speed for the trip of 174 mph.

It is not some fake high-speed train operating at 90 or 110 mph.

It is also built.

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FarCenter (1000+ posts)      Fri Jan-29-10 10:05 PM
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2. They've got trains. We've got funding for studies of two lines, and a bunch of expenditures on half-way measures to get to 90 or 110 mph on others.

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HeresyLives (1000+ posts)      Fri Jan-29-10 10:07 PM
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3. I know, but until yesterday you didn't even have that.

I understand that studies have been done, in fact that there are numerous studies going back for years. Surely they just need a dust-off?

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Brickbat (1000+ posts)      Fri Jan-29-10 10:09 PM
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4. They also have very different labor laws, construction standards, and environmental regulations.

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HeresyLives (1000+ posts)      Fri Jan-29-10 10:10 PM
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5. No actually they don't.

These trains in China are the best in the world

But if you don't like theirs...you could always go for the Japanese and European ones.

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Brickbat (1000+ posts)      Fri Jan-29-10 10:27 PM
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8. Wait, what?

They DON'T have very different labor laws, construction standards, and environmental regulations?

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FarCenter (1000+ posts)      Fri Jan-29-10 10:20 PM
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6. Yes, the California route will never be built; there'll be some damn toad living in the desert...

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Atman  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jan-29-10 11:28 PM
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12. I'd sooner risk my life on a carnival ride than a Chinese-made bullet train.

When the pewter wheel melt and the whole thing disintegrates at 110 mph, I don't want to be on it.

It's a really odd campfire; the primitives jibber-jabber about possible routes in North Carolina, and then some time after Pedro Picasso wiggle-waggles his own arm-pits at the other primitives, showing his sinophobic prejudice, the primitives get into the "race" issue, white versus yellow.

There's also a lot of "name removed"s at this campfire.

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Atman  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jan-30-10 12:51 AM
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44. One last post before this gets locked down?

Heresy's attempt to promote Chinese totalitarianism and shoddy/shitty/deadly manufacturing = EPIC FAIL.

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HeresyLives (1000+ posts)      Sat Jan-30-10 12:54 AM
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45. Some posters hiding behind nationalism and nonsense rather than discussing high-speed trains.

Obama's ideas are that bad eh?

Gee, I liked em

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Atman  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jan-30-10 12:57 AM
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46. I LOVE the idea of high-speed rail. I live in the Northeast. Rail should replace air travel.

None other than Richard Branson (Virgin Airlines) proposed charging a huge surtax on any air route served by rail, as rail has so much less of an impact on the environment. I'm 100% for it. Considerably less so if we allow China to build "OUR" trains.

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Re: primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2010, 12:11:01 PM »
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Atman  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jan-30-10 12:57 AM
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46. I LOVE the idea of high-speed rail. I live in the Northeast. Rail should replace air travel.

None other than Richard Branson (Virgin Airlines) proposed charging a huge surtax on any air route served by rail, as rail has so much less of an impact on the environment. I'm 100% for it. Considerably less so if we allow China to build "OUR" trains.

You can`t possibly be that stupid can you?
Planes fly in open airspace,it is possible to have several in the same general area at different altitudes and paths.
A train runs on a track that can can only be occupied by one train at a given moment in any place.
The number of tracks would be astonishing or the number of trips would have to be limited to make sure the capacity of a train was full.

Why is it any "brainstorm" a liberal has seems to result in a loss of the quality of living rather then a gain.
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Re: primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2010, 01:12:37 PM »
A giant white elephant. boondoggle that will take 30 years to build and require massive subsidies forever.
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Re: primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2010, 01:19:52 PM »
Obama , noted budget hawk, just gave $8 billion (but I think we all know it will 10 times that amount) for a high speed train line in Florida between Tallahassee and Orlando. Normally this takes about one hour and forty minutes.  The train will cut this down to eighty minutes. That's a TWENTY minute reduction..not counting getting to the station, finding a parking space, walking to the terminal, getting you ticket, checking in, boarding, unboarding, getting to the rental car counter, filling out the forms, going to the rental car lot, and driving out of the lot. Or getting in car and driving to your destination in Orlando.

Yep that looks like well spent money and I bet the thousand or so people that will use it on a weekly basis will love it.  In the end run it will have been cheaper per passenger mile to have given each rider a Ferrari and pay for their insurance, maintenance, and  gas to drive.

BTW, all the hardware will be from europe or asia. The GREEN jobs will be building the tracks.  

Impressive the young president we have.
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Re: primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2010, 01:20:28 PM »
Quote from: FGL on January 31, 2010, 01:12:37 PM
A giant white elephant. boondoggle that will take 30 years to build and require massive subsidies forever.

And where are they going to get the land? How many people will they have to eject from their homes by eminent domain? The environmental impact? Razing the land, buildings, existing roadways...all the trees (oh noes, not the trees.)
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Re: primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2010, 01:24:47 PM »
Quote from: Specbid on January 31, 2010, 01:20:28 PM
And where are they going to get the land? How many people will they have to eject from their homes by eminent domain? The environmental impact? Razing the land, buildings, existing roadways...all the trees (oh noes, not the trees.)

Amazingly enough the train stations are right next to land owned by big Democrat contributors. Who wants to bet??

Of course this all would take 20-30 years to complete.
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Re: primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2010, 01:30:23 PM »
Outside of the Northeast corridor hellhole, and maybe the Cook County hellhole, public transit systems are invariably a black hole that moonbats love to shovel money into. If you look at ridership, in almost every case it would be cheaper to buy each rider a car. "Light rail" is a democrat term that means billions of dollars to run empty trains around medium size cities. We already pay hundreds of millions to run empty buses around the same cities.
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Re: primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2010, 01:31:33 PM »
It would be nice to have a 200+mph rail system that served the major cities of the northeast, but I doubt I'll ever see one. Currently we have Amtrak, which takes twice as long and costs twice as much as Greyhound. Flying falls somewhere in between price wise.
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Re: primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2010, 01:33:01 PM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on January 31, 2010, 01:30:23 PM
Outside of the Northeast corridor hellhole, and maybe the Cook County hellhole, public transit systems are invariably a black hole that moonbats love to shovel money into. If you look at ridership, in almost every case it would be cheaper to buy each rider a car. "Light rail" is a democrat term that means billions of dollars to run empty trains around medium size cities. We already pay hundreds of millions to run empty buses around the same cities.

In one of my online classes I am working on a paper that says government should NOT bail out newspapers. It would be more economical for major papers to give all their subscribers a Kindle than a daily printed rag. It makes no economic sense to prop up a failed business model.

That includes dumping space for choochoo trains.
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Re: primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2010, 01:34:52 PM »
And I have voted against it every time they put it on the ballots.....we don't need a high speed train in Fla. And jukin gave some good reasons for Not having one.
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Re: primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2010, 04:12:41 PM »
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46. I LOVE the idea of high-speed rail. I live in the Northeast. Rail should replace air travel.

None other than Richard Branson (Virgin Airlines) proposed charging a huge surtax on any air route served by rail, as rail has so much less of an impact on the environment. I'm 100% for it. Considerably less so if we allow China to build "OUR" trains.

Love the progress you are suggesting there - Lets go back to trains !.

Rail has less impact on the environment does it ?

What about the whopping great chunk of mother nature you have to clear and level to build the track eh ? Hundreds if not thousands of square miles total clearing, and that's not even considering the cut and fill to get the track to a gradient that can be used by common systems, running out the electrical and signaling systems and so on.

Idiots.
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Re: primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2010, 04:24:43 PM »
One word:  Underground pneumatic tube trains. 
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2010, 04:38:44 PM »
Quote from: Lord Undies on January 31, 2010, 04:24:43 PM
One word:  Underground pneumatic tube trains. 

My wallet scurried off and hid under the couch when it heard that word.



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Re: primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2010, 04:51:36 PM »
Quote from: Lord Undies on January 31, 2010, 04:24:43 PM
One word:  Underground pneumatic tube trains. 

Wouldn't wormholes work as well? :tongue:
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Re: primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2010, 04:56:37 PM »
Quote from: LC EFA on January 31, 2010, 04:38:44 PM
My wallet scurried off and hid under the couch when it heard that word.

Remember the 2 man pump powered rail things? Like from the toons?

Maake one Charcoal powered! heh
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Re: primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2010, 06:24:14 PM »
DUmmies just yearn for some publicly funded (meaning someone else pays for it) means of transportation so they can travel at will.

The bottom line with them is it is always about a free ride,no pun intended.

(posted on the wrong thread the first time  :p)
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Re: primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2010, 07:00:37 PM »
Quote from: LC EFA on January 31, 2010, 04:12:41 PM
Love the progress you are suggesting there - Lets go back to trains !.

Rail has less impact on the environment does it ?

What about the whopping great chunk of mother nature you have to clear and level to build the track eh ? Hundreds if not thousands of square miles total clearing, and that's not even considering the cut and fill to get the track to a gradient that can be used by common systems, running out the electrical and signaling systems and so on.

Idiots.


They believe anything thier lords and masters tell them without question If they were told that nuclear buses were green even though they put large amounts of radiation,we would see push for them.
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Re: primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2010, 07:16:21 PM »
Why can't we just have teleporters? They work pretty well in Second Life, shouldn't be too hard to port to First Life, eh?  :tongue:
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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2010, 07:20:42 PM »
Quote from: skipuno on January 31, 2010, 07:00:37 PM
They believe anything thier lords and masters tell them without question If they were told that nuclear buses were green even though they put large amounts of radiation,we would see push for them.

Actually, the Little Goons are for anything that emphasizes the collective over the free individual.  They hate humanity, especially one human at a time.  Shared misery is the constant goal.
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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2010, 07:23:00 PM »
Quote from: crockspot on January 31, 2010, 07:16:21 PM
Why can't we just have teleporters? They work pretty well in Second Life, shouldn't be too hard to port to First Life, eh?  :tongue:
Just watch out for the flies.  :hyper:
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Re: primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2010, 07:42:50 PM »
Quote from: Carl on January 31, 2010, 06:24:14 PM
The bottom line with them is it is always about a free ride,no pun intended.

It won't be free. It will actually be kind of expensive
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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2010, 03:05:09 AM »
If it can't get you from coast to coast overnight, then it's not fast rail.
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Re: primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2010, 09:37:16 AM »
Quote from: FGL on January 31, 2010, 01:12:37 PM
A giant white elephant. boondoggle that will take 30 years to build and require massive subsidies forever.

Here, in Cali, they want to build the same kind of POS. A train to go between * SF and LA. I never knew SF and LA had daily commuters...........









*382 miles
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Re: primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2010, 09:58:59 AM »
Quote from: Wineslob on February 01, 2010, 09:37:16 AM
Here, in Cali, they want to build the same kind of POS. A train to go between * SF and LA. I never knew SF and LA had daily commuters...........
*382 miles

Good thing they never have quakes out there. By the way, that route would probably be finished by 2030 or so. Depending on tens of billions of further dollars.
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Re: primitives discuss high-speed rail lines
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2010, 10:02:51 AM »
Quote from: Wineslob on February 01, 2010, 09:37:16 AM
Here, in Cali, they want to build the same kind of POS. A train to go between * SF and LA. I never knew SF and LA had daily commuters...........









*382 miles
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