primitives discuss fat and health

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7574480

Hmmm.

The moderators on Skins's island are smoking dope on the job again.

There's two specific forums where this would be better placed, but it's in "General Discussion."  One wonders if the primitives are slogging everything into "General Discussion" so as to get lost among the crowd, and not be noticed by those of us watching and studying the primitives.

lightningandsnow  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jan-26-10 12:54 PM
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About fat and health.

This is just my personal story, but I'm sure there are others like it.

I was recently diagnosed with bipolar disorder. My current medication, Seroquel, is associated with clinically significant weight gain. I just started on it, but if it ends up being one of my long-term medications, chances are that I'll gain around 20 pounds.

Which would put me on the low end of the "overweight" range of the BMI.

My meds keep me sane and alive. They keep me healthy. Wallowing in depression for months isn't healthy. I'd take an "overweight" BMI number over that any day. Lots of medications cause weight gain - the very medications that keep people alive and healthy.

The gigantic primitive in Last Vegas must be on a whole pharmacy then.

driver8  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jan-26-10 12:56 PM
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1. My wife has a similar situation as yours.

She was a dancer and always in shape, so the weight gain is really bothering her.

However, she is starting to realize that it is better to feel good than to be thin.

Without the meds, her life (and ours) would be very difficult.

kudzu22 (86 posts)      Tue Jan-26-10 12:57 PM
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2. Do whatever you have to to stay healthy

I'm in the middle of "overweight" and people think I'm skinny as a rail. Personally, I think BMI is a load of hooey.

Warpy  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jan-26-10 01:14 PM
#09 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009; THE DEFROCKED WARPED PRIMITIVE
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3. Exercise, eat decently, and don't smoke

Even the obese who do that will end up far healthier than their thin cousins who are junk food scarfing couch potatoes with two packs a day down their lungs.

I saw a lot of skinny coronary bypass patients. I saw very few lifelong nonsmoking bypass patients.

Lydia Leftcoast  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jan-26-10 01:21 PM
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5. The women in my family tend to be skinny in youth and gain weight starting at about age 40.

The only ones who have defied the trend starve themselves to what has to be the point of malnutrition.

So I'm heavier than I want to be, but I exercise four to five times a week. I've seen plenty of living object lessons in the merits of staying active and involved in the community. Such people tend not to go into a long decline but to stay healthy and vigorous until they drop dead of a stroke or heart attack or develop a fast-acting cancer that finishes them off in a month or two.

lightningandsnow  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jan-26-10 03:51 PM
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10. Most of the girls I've met in first year university are ****ing skeletal.

I'm talking size zeroes here.

And yet they all seem to binge drink and smoke. Hmm.

soleft  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jan-26-10 01:20 PM
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4. If you're able to exercise and eat healthy don't worry about your BMI

If all your health stats are normal and you feel good - **** those 20 pounds and anyone else who has a problem with it.

Zywiec (1000+ posts)      Tue Jan-26-10 01:27 PM
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7. Weight isn't a health stat?

Who knew?

Last Stand (342 posts)      Tue Jan-26-10 01:25 PM
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6. Have your blood sugar checked VERY regularly. Can cause Diabetes even if only taken for a short time. Read up on this med and its side effects.

I have 20+ years in mental health and do not want to undervalue the positive psychiatric elements of this process for you, but I encourage you to read up. Go to askapatient.com and some other sites to hear people's experience with it.

lightningandsnow  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jan-26-10 02:18 PM
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8. I'm 18 years old and slim-to-average weight..

I know diabetes isn't really a risk for me at the moment, but I know it is if I take it in the long-term. I'll be sure to get my sugars checked frequently.

Last Stand (342 posts)      Tue Jan-26-10 02:25 PM
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9. Not to be alarmist, but no one is not a risk, per se.

I worked with a man who never had a sugar problem before taking Seroquel and within a month, his BSL was over 600--almost coma-level. He is now insulin-dependent.

Just be careful and be healthy. It can be a very good med for some people and it is excellent to normalize sleep patterns.

Cleita  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jan-26-10 04:00 PM
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11. Our culture seems to value skinny as a sign of attractiveness. You can be sexy, attractive and overweight. I wouldn't worry about it unless you get too chubby where it's also unhealthy. Historically, women with some padding on them were regarded as more attractive than those who were thin. Go to the museum and look at paintings of women from hundreds of years ago especially Renaissance painting of Venus, who was the goddess of love and beauty. Many men also secretly like full figured women although they won't admit it.

paulsby  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jan-26-10 05:47 PM
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12. i'm "obese" at 12% bodyfat

why? because BMI uses weight as a proxy for fat.

it is a ridiculous , inaccurate way to measure bodyfat.

Obamanaut  (1000+ posts)     Tue Jan-26-10 05:58 PM
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13. If you are physically able to do so - exercise regularly. Find out from your health care professional what your maximum heart rate should be for your age and condition, then find a cardio exercise you can enjoy that will allow you to exercise up to the percentage of that maximum he/she recommends.

Do some weight bearing exercises. I have dumbbells at the house that I use.

Eat a sensible diet.

Worry less about the BMI and more about the percent of body fat. You can gain weight with the above exercise and diet regimen, but it will be an increase in muscle, which weighs more than fat. An 'overweight' BMI number can easily be a healthy 'percent of body fat' number.

Good health to you.

[BlueStateSaint]

I'm somewhat surprised that the LVL hasn't posted to that thread.

[Specbid]

lightningandsnow  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jan-26-10 12:54 PM
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About fat and health.

This is just my personal story, but I'm sure there are others like it.

I was recently diagnosed with bipolar disorder.

Imagine that...a DUmmie with a mental disorder...BWAhahahaha...

[Specbid]

The gigantic primitive in Last Vegas must be on a whole pharmacy then.

Sheesh...he'd have to own Pfizer.

[Specbid]

Cleita  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jan-26-10 04:00 PM
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11. Our culture seems to value skinny as a sign of attractiveness.

Only because you liberal assholes let faggots decide what is fashionable and want models shaped like young boys.
Give me Maureen O'Hara any day and you pillow biters can keep your skin and bone models.

[delilahmused]

Weight gain IS an issue with many bipolar/depression meds but you still have to put the food in your mouth and not get enough exercise. More muscle=faster metabolism=more calories burned, it's really as simple as that. I have to work out more now to than I used to to maintain my weight but that could be my age, too.

Cindie

[Ree]

With Seroquel she'll wish it was only 20 pounds....I put on 60 in two months, coz it turned me into a droolin idiot slug....

[Carl]

Only because you liberal assholes let faggots decide what is fashionable and want models shaped like young boys.
Give me Maureen O'Hara any day and you pillow biters can keep your skin and bone models.

That is exactly it,curves and a figure are good.

No...they are very good,that skin and bones,no hips crap is disgusting.

[Chris]

Only because you liberal assholes let faggots decide what is fashionable and want models shaped like young boys.
Give me Maureen O'Hara any day and you pillow biters can keep your skin and bone models.

[DumbAss Tanker]

That is exactly it,curves and a figure are good.

No...they are very good,that skin and bones,no hips crap is disgusting.

True dat, I prefer women to be shaped like women, not early-adolescent boys.  The appearance of sound health is just biologically a natural attractant, and too much or too little flesh on the frame is a primal turn-off. 

[Specbid]

True dat, I prefer women to be shaped like women, not early-adolescent boys.  The appearance of sound health is just biologically a natural attractant, and too much or too little flesh on the frame is a primal turn-off. 

Yup...give me a young Sophia Loren or Ann Margaret...I'd be a happy man.

[blitzkrieg_17]

With Seroquel she'll wish it was only 20 pounds....I put on 60 in two months, coz it turned me into a droolin idiot slug....

I have never been on those kind of meds but I have had blood sugar problems since I was 10. I WAS overweight for a short time in high school, but I had enough self-discipline to get back into shape.

[Ree]

I have never been on those kind of meds but I have had blood sugar problems since I was 10. I WAS overweight for a short time in high school, but I had enough self-discipline to get back into shape.

I'm joinin the gym tomorrow....