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Offline Carl

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"I'm asking you to raise my taxes,"
« on: January 23, 2010, 05:45:43 AM »
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proud2BlibKansan  (1000+ posts)          Sat Jan-23-10 02:21 AM
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"I'm asking you to raise my taxes,"
   
said Megan Greene, representing the Lawrence organization Save Our Neighborhood Schools. "I'm not the only person I know who would be happy to pay more tax if it would support the maintenance of a high standard of public education."



There is a proposal in KS to raise the sales tax by 1%. Of course the anti-tax GOP is adamantly opposed to this idea. However, school districts are in a tough position and can't tolerate any more cuts in their state aid.

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Argonia superintendent Julie Dolley presided over budget reductions in the south-central Kansas district that resulted in shortening the school year, trimming the staff, eliminating sports programs, delaying textbook purchases and freezing salaries.

Still on the table, she said, is a contingency plan developed in anticipation of deeper state budget cuts that would reduce after-school tutoring, eliminate field trips, drop school maintenance positions, and lay off mathematics and music teachers.

"We have tried to make cuts up to this point without affecting student achievement," Dolley told members of the House Taxation Committee. "However, it will not be possible to maintain our high levels of student achievement with further budget cuts."

I would hope eliminating sports programs would get their attention. Thank goodness some Kansans understand why taxes are important:

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Pete Roman, representing Kansas Families for Education, said he was among the state's unemployed but still believed lawmakers should increase taxes to provide reasonable investment in the future of Kansans.

"Nobody likes to pay taxes. But I recognize it for what it is, an investment in my community and my state for a prosperous future for me and for my children," he said.

http://cjonline.com/news/legislature/2010-01-21/sales_t...

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Why Syzygy  (1000+ posts)          Sat Jan-23-10 02:31 AM
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1. Didn't state lotteries promise improved schools? nt
That has always been a lie or at least here in NY.
Lottery monies simply replace general fund monies..what is appropriated is the final figure regardless.
The lottery is just an alternative source allowing general fund dollars to be spent elsewhere.

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proud2BlibKansan  (1000+ posts)          Sat Jan-23-10 02:34 AM
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3. In MO, where I teach, the lottery money is less than 1% of the education budget
   No, lotteries did not promise improved schools. Lottery money is just a drop in the bucket of funding quality schools.

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notesdev  (1000+ posts)          Sat Jan-23-10 02:34 AM
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2. Stupid
   If that person wants to pay more taxes, there is absolutely nothing stopping them from writing a check to their state treasury.

What they really want is to force other people to pay more taxes.

This is the freaking Second Great Depression, and most people can barely afford to survive, let alone pay more taxes.

If there's a problem with the government having enough money, they should do what we the people do when money is tight and learn how to spend more wisely, learn what is a true need and what we can live without.
   

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proud2BlibKansan  (1000+ posts)          Sat Jan-23-10 02:39 AM
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4. They are talking about raising sales tax by 1%
   That means $1.00 on my weekly $100 worth of groceries.

Anyone who claims they can't afford that is not living in reality.

In KS, the sales tax exemptions are enough to meet the deficit twice. So our problem isn't poor budgeting, it's an unfair exemption system.

I also think cutting sports programs is rather extreme belt tightening. Yes, I will pay an extra dollar a week to prevent that.

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notesdev  (1000+ posts)          Sat Jan-23-10 02:48 AM
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5. Tell me
   where does a person with no job get the money to pay more taxes?

It's telling that you spend $100/week on groceries. You may not realize it, but if you can afford that, you are doing a lot better than the average person in this country. It's easy to say other people should pay more when you're not suffering like they are, when you have no worry about where to find the money to spend on those groceries.

These ain't the boom years anymore. More and more people in this country are in the position where they can barely find the money to keep a roof over their heads and food in their bellies, and they cannot afford to spend more in taxes.

Nor are they willing to spend more when governments at all levels spend like the money grows on trees and doesn't come from the blood sweat and tears of the diminishing pool of people who still have jobs.

She is rich dammit...off with her head!!!!

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proud2BlibKansan  (1000+ posts)          Sat Jan-23-10 03:01 AM
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6. 1% is not going to break anyone
   I work with the poor. I would never advocate a huge increase in sales tax, as I understand the impact on our poor. But 1% is affordable.
"Needed to pay the yearly increase in my teachers salary whether I deserve it by performance or not" is what she should have added.

With that she slinks away.

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Re: "I'm asking you to raise my taxes,"
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2010, 05:59:02 AM »
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That means $1.00 on my weekly $100 worth of groceries.

Kansas is already considered a very harsh state for the poor due to the tax on food.  Yet it makes perfect sense to a liberal to raise taxes on the most basic necessity.   :thatsright: 

But then again, proud lives in the Kansas City area...and can just drive over to the Missouri side to avoid the tax on her groceries.  Surely that's not why she's suggesting that particular increase....is it?   ::) 

Plus, you know, that tax would hit those nasty "breeders" harder than any true libs.  (Bet she never suggests taxing abortion, sex change operations, or any IMPORTANT stuff.)   :-)
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Re: "I'm asking you to raise my taxes,"
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2010, 06:46:00 AM »
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if it would support the maintenance of a high standard of public education

Which, if the last 40 years are any indication, it wouldn't.

And DUmmies don't care if you raise taxes, because they don't have anything to tax, and then get back what they didn't pay in via EIC.
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Re: "I'm asking you to raise my taxes,"
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2010, 08:08:11 AM »
Kansas is already considered a very harsh state for the poor due to the tax on food.

NC did that when we first moved here (1988), but not anymore.  Sales tax is a tax on the poor.  So the GOP doesn't want to burden the poor anymore and the Dems do.  So much for their faux-caring for the poor nonsense.

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Re: "I'm asking you to raise my taxes,"
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2010, 08:32:04 AM »
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proud2BlibKansan  (1000+ posts)          
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4. They are talking about raising sales tax by 1%
  
That means $1.00 on my weekly $100 worth of groceries.
Anyone who claims they can't afford that is not living in reality.

In KS, the sales tax exemptions are enough to meet the deficit twice. So our problem isn't poor budgeting, it's an unfair exemption system.

I also think cutting sports programs is rather extreme belt tightening. Yes, I will pay an extra dollar a week to prevent that.

Typical Lib.  Being as dishonest as she can.  IF it really only meant $4.00/month from every person in the district the school either has very little need for money OR they must have a 100,000 (tax payers) or more living within the district!  At 100,000 that is less than $5,000,000/year.

Sheesh ... how many kids GO to this school?

If that isn't the case then p2bl knows it is going to cost more than $4.00/month. 

Nice how they dodge the "If you want to pay more no one is stopping you" statement.

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Re: "I'm asking you to raise my taxes,"
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2010, 08:34:08 AM »
OK,  I live in Kansas.  This is not the lowest taxed state around neither is it the highest.  But proud to be lib juice box primitive fails to tell the whole story (amazing eh).  OK,  here is the basics.  The Govenor wants a 1% increase for 3 years (last time a tax increase was ever taken off the books?  Any one,  any one,  Buller?).  This is to cover educational costs.  

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Parkinson, a 1980 WSU graduate, said the state already has cut about $1 billion out of its roughly $6 billion budget. Some of those cuts were needed and didn’t affect services, he said.

If these cuts did not affect services, why were they not done years ago?  So in other words I have been paying state taxes for services not needed.  Money back please!

Now, for anyone that has ever attended a state institution for higher learning, the kicker.  
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He said universities had laid off professors

If some of those professors actually taught a class (or 2) and if the TA's actually spoke english (I thought I would have to learn Hindu to get thru Physics lab in Arizona), or the profs did the labs, I would feel bad, but for people that think working 15 hours per week is a full time job, well.....

Medicaid is going to be cut by 500 million.  Take illegals off the rolls and you will have half of that right a way.  As for secondary education, there is talk thruout the various districts on cost cutting.  There was talk about not being able to pay the teachers, funds for salaries for teachers go from my property taxes, to the county, to the state, to the districts for pay.  (How much do you think that admisistrative cost adds to expenses?).  There are suites being filed by some districts thru out the state concerning the state holding money, but that has not happened yet.  

And of course the state is going to raise the tax on cigs, after allowing bans on smoking in bars and such, but remember that cigarette taxes are the cure all for health care.  Increase the cost of something, and eventually use will drop to zero.  There goes the tax money, guess what, increase the sales tax.  And to all you progressives.  Sales taxes affect the poor more than the rich.  A sales tax after essentials are purchased is a ELECTIVE TAX.  If I do not want to pay the tax I don't buy the new Blue Ray or new flat screen.  and only 1 dollar on a hundred dollars of groceries, but it is just not a 1% tax, it is an increase to the existing state and local sales tax.  And here is a local sales tax ratechart.  

As far as the juice box primitive, you can write a check to the state anytime that you want, feel free.  I find it funny though how if George Bush suggests a 1% decrease in income taxes it is bad and you reject it out of hand, but you will willingly support a 1% increase in sales tax.  dumb ass primitive.

And about the governor.

A former Republican, Parkinson rose to the governor’s office when Gov. Kathleen Sebelius resigned in 2009 to become U.S. Secretary for Health and Human Services. Parkinson had served as lieutenant governor the previous two years.
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Re: "I'm asking you to raise my taxes,"
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2010, 09:45:49 AM »
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proud2BlibKansan  (1000+ posts)          Sat Jan-23-10 02:21 AM
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"I'm asking you to raise my taxes,"

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What sort of lazy folderol is that?  If you don't think the schools, or whatever, already have enough of your money, then ...

DONATE SOME MORE OF IT YOURSELF, YOU LAZY GOOD-FOR-NOTHING TWIT!


... and leave the tax rates for the rest of us alone!

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Re: "I'm asking you to raise my taxes,"
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2010, 09:51:10 AM »
What sort of lazy folderol is that?  If you don't think the schools, or whatever, already have enough of your money, then ...

DONATE SOME MORE OF IT YOURSELF, YOU LAZY GOOD-FOR-NOTHING TWIT!


... and leave the tax rates for the rest of us alone!

Yeah, right, like the Die alte Sau, the dysmenopausal Kansas school teacher, the #19 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009, is going to do that.

She has it good, with a high tenured salary and a most excellent retirement plan.

The Die alte Sau primitive likes to bash the capitalist system, all the while most conveniently forgetting what's financing her comfortable retirement plan (the Die alte Sau is, by the way, 57 years old, nearing retirement).

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Re: "I'm asking you to raise my taxes,"
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2010, 10:17:10 AM »
Yeah, right, like the Die alte Sau, the dysmenopausal Kansas school teacher, the #19 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009, is going to do that.

She has it good, with a high tenured salary and a most excellent retirement plan.

The Die alte Sau primitive likes to bash the capitalist system, all the while most conveniently forgetting what's financing her comfortable retirement plan (the Die alte Sau is, by the way, 57 years old, nearing retirement).

Once a pig, always a pig.
She'll probably totally change her mind when she looks into her retirement...

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KPERS facing bankruptcy if changes are not made, report says
A report released yesterday by the Center for Applied Economics at the University of Kansas School of Business reveals that unless drastic changes are made to the structure of KPERS, the Kansas Public Employees Retirement System, the system will be unable to pay out promised benefits, and the shortfall — as much as $10 billion — will fall onto taxpayers' shoulders.

http://www.kansasliberty.com/liberty-update-archive/2009/21sep/kpers-in-desperate-need-of-complete-overhaul-report-says/

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Re: "I'm asking you to raise my taxes,"
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2010, 10:21:42 AM »
She'll probably totally change her mind when she looks into her retirement...
http://www.kansasliberty.com/liberty-update-archive/2009/21sep/kpers-in-desperate-need-of-complete-overhaul-report-says/

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The Die alte Sau lives in Kansas, but teaches in Missouri.

She lives in one of those really affluent suburbs of Kansas City, on the Kansas side.

The pension fund in Missouri might be more stable; I dunno.
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Re: "I'm asking you to raise my taxes,"
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2010, 10:30:40 AM »
The Die alte Sau lives in Kansas, but teaches in Missouri.

She lives in one of those really affluent suburbs of Kansas City, on the Kansas side.

The pension fund in Missouri might be more stable; I dunno.
I didn't realize that she taught in Missouri.  I have no idea what her retirement will be, then. 
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Re: "I'm asking you to raise my taxes,"
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2010, 10:32:45 AM »
I didn't realize that she taught in Missouri.  I have no idea what her retirement will be, then.

Well, the Die alte Sau's Missouri retirement plan won't be any good, either, unless capitalism flourishes and prospers.
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Re: "I'm asking you to raise my taxes,"
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2010, 10:49:54 AM »
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"I'm asking you to raise my taxes,"

Wouldn't you have to start paying taxes first?
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Re: "I'm asking you to raise my taxes,"
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2010, 10:53:52 AM »
Wouldn't you have to start paying taxes first?

Good point.
Maybe the goon thinks if taxes go up the EIC they get back every year will go up too.

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Re: "I'm asking you to raise my taxes,"
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2010, 12:38:56 PM »
Can you imagine the faces of a DUmmie if a Republican wanted a $125 tax on abortions and a $1,500 tax on sex change operations. lol.

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Re: "I'm asking you to raise my taxes,"
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2010, 01:03:14 PM »
The people of Kansas are the ones who designate over $50,000 of their tax money every year to employ the worthless DUmbass Pam Dawson. Until they eliminate such egregious waste, there should be no discussion of raising taxes.