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Offline The Village Idiot

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Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« on: January 21, 2010, 01:37:16 PM »
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Y2sAdDw98[/youtube]

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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2010, 01:42:37 PM »
So he seems to think we can cover more people without raising taxes or screwing everyone over.

This is bad how, exactly?
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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2010, 01:48:37 PM »
Quote from: NHSparky on January 21, 2010, 01:42:37 PM
So he seems to think we can cover more people without raising taxes or screwing everyone over.

This is bad how, exactly?

Not governments job.
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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2010, 01:50:17 PM »
True--but consider he also voted in favor of Romneycare.  I don't like it, but there it is.

Oh, and he's not taking the Democrat's side...

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=cqmidday-000003281961
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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2010, 01:51:21 PM »
Quote from: NHSparky on January 21, 2010, 01:50:17 PM
True--but consider he also voted in favor of Romneycare.  I don't like it, but there it is.

Oh, and he's not taking the Democrat's side...

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=cqmidday-000003281961

I never said he was taking Dem's side.

RomneyCare is ObamaCare with a different name.
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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2010, 01:53:38 PM »
Nor am I arguing that--I'm not a big fan of the fact he voted for Romneycare.  But what's important is that he's not going to roll over and be a Dem-Lite, either.

HCR can be done on in a smart manner which doesn't socialize our healthcare system.  I think Brown is aiming towards that end.
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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2010, 01:55:43 PM »
^I do too. Any direction AWAY from Pelosicare is a good thing IMO. We have to start somewhere fighting this.
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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2010, 02:01:04 PM »
It was too short of a clip, and I think it was shortened on purpose just to agitate the conservatives.  Who knows, maybe he brought up points about tort reform, allowing insurance companies across state lines, stopping mandatory coverage or other things.
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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2010, 02:09:16 PM »
I don't want them screwing with it at all.  That's all we've heard from the Democrats ... "Where is YOUR plan?"  WHY do we need a plan at all?

I'm with FGL, not governments job.

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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2010, 02:14:39 PM »
Quote from: Texacon on January 21, 2010, 02:09:16 PM
I don't want them screwing with it at all.  That's all we've heard from the Democrats ... "Where is YOUR plan?"  WHY do we need a plan at all?

I'm with FGL, not governments job.

KC

The republicans did put forth plans, but the MSM ignored them.  They even tried to get some of their points added to the Pelosi and Reid bills and were shot down every time.  Most of their plans consisted of the things I mentioned, which are geared to a freer market for insurance.
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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2010, 02:25:36 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on January 21, 2010, 02:14:39 PM
The republicans did put forth plans, but the MSM ignored them.  They even tried to get some of their points added to the Pelosi and Reid bills and were shot down every time.  Most of their plans consisted of the things I mentioned, which are geared to a freer market for insurance.

Lets just remember he voted for RomneyCare
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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2010, 02:36:02 PM »
Quote from: FGL on January 21, 2010, 02:25:36 PM
Lets just remember he voted for RomneyCare

But, during his campaign he also pointed out how so many taxes had to be raised to pay for RomneyCare. Maybe he has learned from that.  I had earlier in another thread said that he may be another RINO, so I'm willing to see how he votes.  Of course, I'd expect to see him vote in a way that pleases his constituency, not conservatives all the time. Killing 0BamaCare, Cap & Tax would be a good start, though.
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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2010, 02:45:29 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on January 21, 2010, 02:36:02 PM
But, during his campaign he also pointed out how so many taxes had to be raised to pay for RomneyCare. Maybe he has learned from that.  I had earlier in another thread said that he may be another RINO, so I'm willing to see how he votes.  Of course, I'd expect to see him vote in a way that pleases his constituency, not conservatives all the time. Killing 0BamaCare, Cap & Tax would be a good start, though.

Let me ask you a question.  Let's say they get the best healthcare plan in the world set up and the taxes aren't raised one iota.  10 years down the road they start seeing they can no longer keep that plan without an increase in taxes .... how the hell can I get out of it if there are no competing insurance companies left?

That is what scares the hell out of me.  Once they have it going they will be able to do what ever they want and you won't be able to stop them.  Do you think they would cut services to keep the cost from having to be passed on to the tax payers.  Nope, once it's in, the country won't let them cut services.

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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2010, 02:51:00 PM »
Quote from: Texacon on January 21, 2010, 02:45:29 PM
Let me ask you a question.  Let's say they get the best healthcare plan in the world set up and the taxes aren't raised one iota.  10 years down the road they start seeing they can no longer keep that plan without an increase in taxes .... how the hell can I get out of it if there are no competing insurance companies left?

That is what scares the hell out of me.  Once they have it going they will be able to do what ever they want and you won't be able to stop them.  Do you think they would cut services to keep the cost from having to be passed on to the tax payers.  Nope, once it's in, the country won't let them cut services.

KC

That is why so many people do NOT want any sort of government run insurance, at least that is why I don't want it.  That is also why I can't see why the insurance companies got in bed with 0Bama on this plan.
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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2010, 03:15:19 PM »
Note that the you tube clip has ron paul tags on it -- nice due diligence on his commentary.

Here is the entire press conference --

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2010/01/20/HP/A/28715/SenatorElect+Scott+Brown+Press+Briefing.aspx

Short version, let the states do it, sure the feds can offer guidance, but the states should do it.  He pretty much throughout the entire press conference stated his job is to represent MA and their best interests.  
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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2010, 03:16:26 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on January 21, 2010, 02:51:00 PM
That is also why I can't see why the insurance companies got in bed with 0Bama on this plan.

I personally think they did that to kill the legislation.  I think they knew that it would be unconstitutional, the moonbat base would go into a frenzy, and it muddied the waters so bad that nobody knew what was going on and they would take the simple route of killing it.  I think they may have played the democrats greed against them.
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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2010, 03:16:50 PM »
Quote from: FGL on January 21, 2010, 02:25:36 PM
Lets just remember he voted for RomneyCare

Explain Romneycare to me.
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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2010, 03:39:10 PM »
Quote from: formerlurker on January 21, 2010, 03:15:19 PM
Note that the you tube clip has ron paul tags on it -- nice due diligence on his commentary.

Here is the entire press conference --

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2010/01/20/HP/A/28715/SenatorElect+Scott+Brown+Press+Briefing.aspx

Short version, let the states do it, sure the feds can offer guidance, but the states should do it.  He pretty much throughout the entire press conference stated his job is to represent MA and their best interests.  

I heard him say this morning that he is for "states rights" when it comes to the healthcare debate, he also mentioned that tort reform should be a part of any "reform".....as an aside, he commented that he did not think that "waterboarding" is torture......

So far I like what I hear from him, and further, I am realistic enough to accept the fact that a Republican from MA is likely not going to be as conservative as one from Alabama........he does represent the people in his state after all.

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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2010, 03:45:27 PM »
Jeez Louise.

Some "true conservatives" are doing everything in their power to take this guy down. I don't understand it. Show me another senator--or candidate--from Massachusetts who is even CLOSE to this guy.

He's there to represent Massachusetts. He's there to be the 41st vote against this health care abomination.

Panties are getting bunched here, and I'm not exactly sure why.
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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2010, 03:46:31 PM »
Quote from: Splashdown on January 21, 2010, 03:45:27 PM
Jeez Louise.

Some "true conservatives" are doing everything in their power to take this guy down. I don't understand it. Show me another senator--or candidate--from Massachusetts who is even CLOSE to this guy.

He's there to represent Massachusetts. He's there to be the 41st vote against this health care abomination.

Panties are getting bunched here, and I'm not exactly sure why.

Psssst...he accepted the Republican banner.
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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2010, 03:47:34 PM »
Quote from: wasp69 on January 21, 2010, 03:16:26 PM
I personally think they did that to kill the legislation.  I think they knew that it would be unconstitutional, the moonbat base would go into a frenzy, and it muddied the waters so bad that nobody knew what was going on and they would take the simple route of killing it.  I think they may have played the democrats greed against them.

I tend to think it was more like what Smith & Wesson did with Clinton, they were trying to find a bomb shelter so they could come out of it with at least something left.  It didn't work out so well for S&W, nobody but a police department would buy a new gun from them for years after that blunder. 
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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2010, 03:48:21 PM »
I heard him say what TVDoc said.  I like him.
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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2010, 03:49:25 PM »
Quote from: Carl on January 21, 2010, 03:46:31 PM
Psssst...he accepted the Republican banner.

And he's more conservative than many under that Republican banner already.

I'm just saying that maybe we need to let the guy move into his office and get business cards printed before we run him out on a rail for not meeting our personal conservative benchmarks.
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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2010, 03:52:06 PM »
Quote from: Splashdown on January 21, 2010, 03:49:25 PM
And he's more conservative than many under that Republican banner already.

I'm just saying that maybe we need to let the guy move into his office and get business cards printed before we run him out on a rail for not meeting our personal conservative benchmarks.

Agreed......

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Re: Scott Brown: Healthcare for everyone
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2010, 03:54:05 PM »
I'm not cutting the guy down at all.  Everything I've seen out of him has been fine by me but I don't live in his state.  If we were talking about a presidential run then I would be scrutinizing him more.

I'm just glad he broke the democrate super majority.  That made my month!

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