I have to turn down my raise at work

[IassaFTots]

I've been reading up on this CHIPS program and Medicaid...seems to me we already have universal health care in this country.

[LadyLiberty]

This guy is a piece of shit;

First he says he cut back on all this stuff then moves into how he got rid of a truck HE COULD NOT AFFORD.  He is telling us he lives beyond his means.

Then in the bold part he says THEY have iPhones!  "But we've cut back in EVERY WAY POSSIBLE"  Bull SHIT. 

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the iPhone connection to the internet run like an extra $30/month/phone?! 

DUmbass doesn't know the first thing about cutting back if this is what he is doing.

Yeah, I'm glad to know the fine citizens of OK are supporting your daughter.

KC

Yup, typical libtard...a parasite...wants his cake and eat it too. Let the hardworking taxpayers pick up the tab for his daughter's health care, so he can have all the nice TOYS that he wants, despite what his child needs.  They have NO conscience.  

The internet service alone for an iPhone is $30, but it's more than that total, I think. My husband has one, and I know our bill went up when he got it, but that was 2 years ago, and I don't even remember all the details.

As an aside, I just learned today that we (the taxpayers) are now paying for "their" (welfare cases) cell phones too. That is what that federal "tax" is that they've tacked onto our bill. Now they are entitled to cell phones. I won't be surprised when they put a federal "tax" on flat screen TV's too.

Let's just spread the wealth  

[LadyLiberty]

If I had an employee that was stupid enough to turn down a raise.....I would question why.

Then if he told me the truth.....for the reasons this guy above gave.....I would be looking for a reason to fire him.

MY reason.....if he is so willing to blantantly scam/cheat the system to get something for nothing.....how do I know he won't scam/cheat ME?

 

RIGHT!

[LadyLiberty]

That's for a family of four .... this turd is talking about a family of 3 and saying they can't make it on $41,000/year.

KC

He *can't* make it though AND get all the good things like iPhones, flat screen TV's, a new truck...

Woe is he.

[LadyLiberty]

I don't see many married people here qualifying.  Sad thing is, I see quite a few Mom's not marrying, but living with a man, so that their EIC and CHIPs doesn't go away.  And, these are working moms.  NOT unemployed living off welfare moms. 

That is just it, though...EIC is welfare...and I have NO idea what CHIP(s)? is, and I am perfectly happy NOT knowing...I have a feeling finding out will just make my blood boil even more.

[Specbid]

That is just it, though...EIC is welfare...and I have NO idea what CHIP(s)? is, and I am perfectly happy NOT knowing...I have a feeling finding out will just make my blood boil even more.

Been reading up on it the last 45 minutes or so...wish I hadn't.

[IassaFTots]

That is just it, though...EIC is welfare...and I have NO idea what CHIP(s)? is, and I am perfectly happy NOT knowing...I have a feeling finding out will just make my blood boil even more.

Oh it will make your blood boil.  And I agree with you.  The moms I referenceare making at minimum 22K a year.  I believe they get more $$ in EIC depending on the headcount.  Here is how it works.  6-9 months out of the year they work.  Because their salary is so low they qualify for CHIPs to insure the kids.  Because of their salary being so low, they can go to the food banks.  They don't marry, but live with the men they are involved with because it would mess up their tax situation. But, of course the man is helping towards basic living expenses... And, as soon as they get their tax refund, which is GINORMOUS, they wait a month or two and quit, so they have their summers free, and  then go get a job in the next 6 months or so.  In the meantime, while they were unemployed, although they don't qualify for UI, they get welfare. 

And then they move on to another job. 

[Texacon]

I've been reading up on this CHIPS program and Medicaid...seems to me we already have universal health care in this country.

That's what I've been trying to tell a liberal buddy of mine.  He is all for the HCR bill.  Says we have too many who don't have coverage. 

When I started telling him about Medicaid he laughed and said "That's all fine and good .... WHEN you get old enough to get it!"  I told him Medicaid had nothing to do with age and he didn't believe me.  He went home and looked it up on the internet .... came back into my office the next day and said "Let me get this straight, Medicaid is for poor people?"  "I thought Medicaid and Medicare was the same thing".

That's when I told him HIS administration wants to take money from MediCARE to give to MedicAID.  Take from those who have paid in to give to those who never have and might not EVER contribute.

He still doesn't believe me.

 

hehe  and WE'RE the low information voters.

KC

[Ralph Wiggum]

"I have to turn down my raise so I can continue to mooch off the government.  Sorry."
 

It's truly sad that people like this even exist.

[shadeaux]

Maybe he can get together with the California piggy...she can write the lyrics, he can write the tune.

Cindie

          

So if he doesn't get what he wants, the plan is to just quit working and play his tunes.   

Never crossed his mind to try and get a second job, maybe ask the wife to try and get more than a weekend job ? 

Oh hell no.  Lazy ass. Yeah, show your kid how it's done.   

[LadyLiberty]

Been reading up on it the last 45 minutes or so...wish I hadn't.

I just did this myself last week...and it put me in an incredibly bad mood (ignorance really is bliss).  I was literally sick about it. The EIC gives true definition to the term "economic slavery".  People who bust their tails to better themselves end up having a chunk of their hard earned money seized from them by the government and turned over to the group who didn't go to college (but have jobs.) The ones who went to college (and are more than likely paying on student loans and daycare, etc.) are also the ones paying taxes, only to have their hard earned money redistributed to subsidize the Unsuccessful in this country. Pissed me right the hell off to learn that. I thought the EIC was like $400 or something per child, but it's four THOUSAND and has a ceiling of $5k no matter how many more subsequent children and they therefore end up paying NO taxes and then some. They get this nice chunk of  change. People who make $60k-$200k in this country are supporting the rest beneath them, who then end up making not too much less than the EIC recipients do.  Is that socialism or communism   I was dismayed to see that Republicans alike have also proliferated this program too, and it was enacted by Ford, but authored pretty much by Nixon. I can see how the other Republicans might have "gone along" with it, if it was hidden in a bill...or just bargained in a bill (that's the corruption in Washington), but if they didn't and just expanded the welfare, that isn't good at all.

The election results of last night were a real pick-me-up, though. That couldn't have happened at a better time  

[IassaFTots]

         

So if he doesn't get what he wants, the plan is to just quit working and play his tunes.   

Never crossed his mind to try and get a second job, maybe ask the wife to try and get more than a weekend job ? 

Oh hell no.  Lazy ass. Yeah, show your kid how it's done.   

Second Job?  Being a role model?  Dude.  You cannot be serious.  That is so yesterday.  It is way more important to express yourself in the media you wish to, such as guitar playing, or Cheeto-glue stick art.  The man has held the working class down for too long.  They need to be free to do whatever they want.  And you and I need to pay for it.  Get it?  

[LadyLiberty]

  Says we have too many who don't have coverage. 

And this here is just pure liberal propaganda. We didn't start hearing this until, what, the middle part of  Bush's second term...in time to get their momentum going for their agenda.

The left tells people this, so that they believe it.

The only large "mass" in this country who do not have health coverage I believe would be your undocumented workers. I sure as hell don't want to be paying for them, and I don't want to be paying for the group who our income is already being redistributed to.

[Specbid]

The election results of last night were a real pick-me-up, though. That couldn't have happened at a better time  

You can say that again. Was smiling all morning and into early afternoon...then I starting reading this SCHIPS stuff. Oh well, only 30 minutes 'til happy hour.

[Texacon]

I just did this myself last week...and it put me in an incredibly bad mood (ignorance really is bliss).  I was literally sick about it. The EIC gives true definition to the term "economic slavery".  People who bust their tails to better themselves end up having a chunk of their hard earned money seized from them by the government and turned over to the group who didn't go to college (but have jobs.) The ones who went to college (and are more than likely paying on student loans and daycare, etc.) are also the ones paying taxes, only to have their hard earned money redistributed to subsidize the Unsuccessful in this country. Pissed me right the hell off to learn that. I thought the EIC was like $400 or something per child, but it's four THOUSAND and has a ceiling of $5k no matter how many more subsequent children and they therefore end up paying NO taxes and then some. They get this nice chunk of  change. People who make $60k-$200k in this country are supporting the rest beneath them, who then end up making not too much less than the EIC recipients do.  Is that socialism or communism   I was dismayed to see that Republicans alike have also proliferated this program too, and it was enacted by Ford, but authored pretty much by Nixon. I can see how the other Republicans might have "gone along" with it, if it was hidden in a bill...or just bargained in a bill (that's the corruption in Washington), but if they didn't and just expanded the welfare, that isn't good at all.

The election results of last night were a real pick-me-up, though. That couldn't have happened at a better time  

I have some friends who have several kids.  When Bush was giving us all tax cuts and we were supposed to get up to $600/$1,200 married the wife of this couple went balistic.  They're pretty conservative so I asked her what the deal was.  She was jumping on Bush.  She said it wasn't right to give 'the wealthy' that money.  She said "I'll bet you get the $1,200 and you only have 2 kids"  I told her I did get the $1,200 then I asked her what they paid in taxes.  Her husband told me what they paid.  Then I asked them how much they got back.  He told me. 

They got back $2,500 MORE than they paid in!  That's when I asked her who got the most out of the deal.  At that time I had borrowed an extra $12,000.00 to pay my last quarter in taxes.  I got back $1,200 for the whole year. 

She started looking at it differently.  What is really funny though is about 2 years after that conversation her husband got a HUGE promotion which came with a HUGE raise!  LOL  His pay went from like $30k/year to around $90k/year.  Her statements on taxes have changed COMPLETELY!  Now she truly complains about how much they have to pay.

Life is good.   

KC

[The Village Idiot]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the iPhone connection to the internet run like an extra $30/month/phone?! 

It ain't MetroPCS thats for sure.

[debk]

Every kid diagnosed with ADD or ADHD....who takes prescribed medication for it....if the parent/s are a certain income level or below....gets SSI.

Just think....if you have 3-4 kids that have been diagnosed ADD or ADHD.....you don't NEED a job!


The internet is full of different sites that explain it....this is just one...http://www.disabilitysecrets.com/applying-for-disability-adhd-attention-deficit.html


Years ago, a woman I worked with got it for her son....at that time (15 yrs ago) she was getting $400+ for him. I'm sure the amount has gone up since....

[LadyLiberty]

I have some friends who have several kids.  When Bush was giving us all tax cuts and we were supposed to get up to $600/$1,200 married the wife of this couple went balistic.  They're pretty conservative so I asked her what the deal was.  She was jumping on Bush.  She said it wasn't right to give 'the wealthy' that money.  She said "I'll bet you get the $1,200 and you only have 2 kids"  I told her I did get the $1,200 then I asked her what they paid in taxes.  Her husband told me what they paid.  Then I asked them how much they got back.  He told me. 

They got back $2,500 MORE than they paid in!  That's when I asked her who got the most out of the deal.  At that time I had borrowed an extra $12,000.00 to pay my last quarter in taxes.  I got back $1,200 for the whole year. 

She started looking at it differently.  What is really funny though is about 2 years after that conversation her husband got a HUGE promotion which came with a HUGE raise!  LOL  His pay went from like $30k/year to around $90k/year.  Her statements on taxes have changed COMPLETELY!  Now she truly complains about how much they have to pay.

Life is good.   

KC

That is actually poetic justice, but I am glad that they are better off...sort of LOL.  I honestly don't think that many people who are the benefiiciaries of things like EIC realize that they aren't paying any taxes, other people are...and they are getting some of what others have paid into it   Then there are plenty who know exactly what the financial perameters are and know exactly how to get their hands on all kinds of handouts, like the douche from the DUmp.

[LadyLiberty]

Every kid diagnosed with ADD or ADHD....who takes prescribed medication for it....if the parent/s are a certain income level or below....gets SSI.

Just think....if you have 3-4 kids that have been diagnosed ADD or ADHD.....you don't NEED a job!


The internet is full of different sites that explain it....this is just one...http://www.disabilitysecrets.com/applying-for-disability-adhd-attention-deficit.html


Years ago, a woman I worked with got it for her son....at that time (15 yrs ago) she was getting $400+ for him. I'm sure the amount has gone up since....

I think my head may explode 

[Texacon]

Ahhhh the truth comes out;

justanaverageguy (31 posts)      

Wed Jan-20-10 03:28 PM
Response to Original message

29. Dude, take the raise
 They way I see it is that you and your wife make 41K per year (according to your post #3) and your family insurance is $524 per month (again if I understood your post correctly). That leaves your pre-tax income at about 35K per year before the raise. After taxes that's gonna give you a "bring home" paycheck of just over $500 per week. I admit that is no king's ransom, but that is exactly the income my wife and I were living on 8 years ago when my first child was born. Granted we didn't live like royalty but we were able to have a little 920sqft house with 2 bedrooms in a working class neighborhood. It was nice.

On top of all that you throw in a raise. Even at $1 per hour that equates to $2000 more dollars a year in you gross income.

I'm sorry, unless I misunderstood the numbers I don't understand the dilemma. Take the raise.  

guitar man  (1000+ posts)      

Wed Jan-20-10 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #29

32. The dilema is
 That next year, it won't be $524 a month for insurance, if it follows the percentage pattern it's been following it will probably be north of $700 a month for health insurance.And probably $900 the year after if something doesn't change. I know that my wife and I can **** off and die as far as getting any help with coverage, but at least I can keep my daughter insured through the SCHIPS program. Better than nothing.

OMG.  Sooooo at that rate your raise won't catch up to your costs for 6 or 7 years?  AND you don't think you'll get anymore raises during that time?!

Guitar Man, you, sir, are an idiot.  

KC

[GOBUCKS]

Bouncy. Why would anyone give a DUmmy a raise?

[jukin]

Bouncy. Why would anyone give a DUmmy a raise?

BINGO!

[MrsSmith]

Poor Pay Biggest Income Share in State, Local Taxes

...

In Alabama, the basic tax exemptions are essentially held over from Depression-era statutes. In 2005, the state culled income taxes from families of four earning as little as $4,600. A single-parent family of three making the minimum wage – that’s under $11,000 per year – paid nearly $220. The state charged four-person families with two parents living at the poverty line, which hovers just below $20,000, about $540.

...

http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2879

My son lives in Nebraska, and earned $14,000 last year.  His Federal tax rate was 6%...not counting sales and luxury taxes. (He smokes.)  He paid federal income tax, Medicare tax, Social Security...he also paid state tax, though I don't have the actual rate.   Even at his income level, adding everything together, I would suppose he pays an actual 15 to 20% of his gross for taxes.

Are there working people that actually get more back than the total they pay in?  I suppose it's possible, but I've never seen it in real life.

[bkg]

Are there working people that actually get more back than the total they pay in?  I suppose it's possible, but I've never seen it in real life.

Happens a lot. Child Tax Credits are a big portion of it.

When you condition a person to work only as hard as needed to get what he wants, that's all the harder he's going to work. Unless you change the dynamic, this will be the model by which this population works for the foreseeable future. It's a tough choice for this guy - I get that. I think it's a wrong choice and reaks of entitlements, however.

[Duke Nukum]

By turning down that raise you're robbing your Messiah. You really ought to be taxed for that.  You turned down your raise, Obama, Harry Reid, and Nanci Pelosi didn't.