Why the Brown Win Fills Me With Optomism

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

It's not just the defeat of ObamaCare. Already there are grumblings from lefties as prominent as Bawney. Harry Reid is poised to be the second dem senate leader in a row to be bounced out of his job. That is not insignificant.

The best part of this is by looking at DU and HuffPo (haven't seen DKos yet) the rank and vile rank-and-file just don't get it. They are actually digging their heels in and screaming, "Left! Left! Harder left!!!"


The liberal punditry actually thinks subsidized mortgages and bailouts are right-wing ideas and voters are so-o-o-o ticked-off by all this rightism that they would elect...a rightist. The left is trying to claim Bush's press-currying $300 billion/year deficits are the sole reason for Obama's $1.2 trillion/year deficits...but it's Obama's supposed rightist ways that Coakley in the eyes of MA voters.

So now the democrats in office have two choices: A) go left and see such realities as NJ, VA and now MA (and a damned close NY-23) or B) take their lumps and tack right but lose their base.

In short: we didn't just win...WE ****ING WON

The ONLY thing that can dilute this is if the GOP goes wobbly--again--because the NYT gets mean with them. If the dems in office are too scared to further their leftist agenda hopefully the GOP will take note and be able to sack-up.

This wasn't just a Brown win this was a Tea Party win. Coakley and her DNC apparatchiks (you know, the ones pushing down reporters) tried very hard to brand Brown a toadie of the extremist right-wing. Their sneering contempt for us was as vicious as ever.

How'd that work out for you little shits?

It's hard work repelling an enemy assault but once you break the assault and scatter them the hard work of pursuit begins...and pursue we must. Afterward we will have the joy of leisurely wandering the battlefield and bayoneting the enemy wounded.

[RightCoast]

The WH has said that they are going harder left, good times...good times.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

The WH has said that they are going harder left, good times...good times.

By all means Mr President.

Knock yourself out.


pun intended

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

DU celebrates a harder tack to the left.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7518713

 

[Splashdown]

If only he was interested in taking a harder line against, say, China, or Iran, or the War on Terror. Hell, even taking a harder line on the deficit.

He won't ever learn, though. He has no reason to.

[JohnnyReb]

From Brown's speech last night.

"And let me say this, with respect to those who wish to harm us, I believe that our Constitution and laws exist to protect this nation - they do not grant rights and privileges to enemies in wartime. In dealing with terrorists, our tax dollars should pay for weapons to stop them, not lawyers to defend them."

[thundley4]

Haven't most polls shown that most people in this country consider themselves to be conservative rather than liberal, (not GOP v. DEM)?

[bkg]

Obamacare is not dead. To think so is naive. Sorry to sound harsh - they need 51 votes and are courting a lot of people right now. NOT DEAD in the Senate.

One win means nothing if the GOP continues to move to the left. We can't afford another 8 years of 40% gov't growth.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

If only he was interested in taking a harder line against, say, China, or Iran, or the War on Terror. Hell, even taking a harder line on the deficit.

He won't ever learn, though. He has no reason to.

He's never had to deal with a truly competitive environment.

He was never elected to any office in Illinois in the strictest sense, he's solely a product of the Chicago political machine and they only used him becuase he's clean, articulate and has no negro dialect. In short: he's a Cover-Girl model.

In 2008 he never had to compete with McCain or Palin becuase the MSM shielded him.

Now he has to stand up on his own in the US political arena AND the world stage and he's failing miserably. Chanting lefty diatribe got him to where he was originally so he's going to fall back on old habits. But the US isn't the incestuous world of academia and Chicago corruption. Far from being his salvation it will only make matters worse for him and the democrats.

We wish him resolution and nuwavering commitment to his agenda.

Obamacare is not dead. To think so is naive. Sorry to sound harsh - they need 51 votes and are courting a lot of people right now. NOT DEAD in the Senate.

One win means nothing if the GOP continues to move to the left. We can't afford another 8 years of 40% gov't growth.

They do so at their own ruin.

Pelosi passed it in the house by 2 votes, one being a GOPer who only voted because it was already a done deal. That gives Pelosi a margin of 1 among a field of dems looking at the turnout by angry voters in an off-year special election.

There only hope is to pass an unmodified senate bill and nobody is taking that dare because Obama had to tax exempt the unions until 2018...which is not in the current version. No dem wants to be sandwiched between the Tea party AND the unions. Hell, even Boxer is in trouble and harry Reid has the ignonimy of being the second democrat senate leader in a row to be bounced. That's unprecedented.

[bkg]

They do so at their own ruin.

Not true. They'll campaign on it in '10 and '12. It will win votes.

Pelosi passed it in the house by 2 votes, one being a GOPer who only voted because it was already a done deal. That gives Pelosi a margin of 1 among a field of dems looking at the turnout by angry voters in an off-year special election.

There only hope is to pass an unmodified senate bill and nobody is taking that dare because Obama had to tax exempt the unions until 2018...which is not in the current version. No dem wants to be sandwiched between the Tea party AND the unions. Hell, even Boxer is in trouble and harry Reid has the ignonimy of being the second democrat senate leader in a row to be bounced. That's unprecedented.

To the hightlighted, I say "SO?" Take a look at the last 18 months. A lot of things have happened we  would have never thought or dreamed.... I highly respect you MSB, but I am not as optimistic.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

The question isn't whether I'm optimistic in as much as it is: are the moderate dems pessimistic? In fact it is their pessimism that generates my optimism.

And that's not just a silly word game. We have to look at the enemy's psychology. As Napoleon said, "the moral is to the physical as 3 is to 1." And this was a time when standard battle doctrine said you needed 3 attackers for every 1 defender. A state where the GOP accounts for only 11% of registered voters just turned back 3 times that many dem voters seeking to retain a near half-century hold of a senate seat by the left's last political dynasty. To say that doesn't carry an impact on the enemy's morale would be to throw away oportunity.

Will the lefties run harder left?

**** YEAH! and Dog bless them for doing so. Hell, my mole is over at DU trying to rally the troops to push harder. It's the indies that they have lost. Brown took 70-plus percent of their vote.

But just because Pelosi is willing to sacrifce 30 some odd seats in 10 months doesn't mean the 30 reps in those seats want to be sacrificed. The senate may not be so readily flippable but Ben Nelson (Dipshit - Nebraska) was hounded out of a pizza parlor last week! Again, this sticks in their minds.

Obama ONLY took the indie vote in 2008 because indies are dumb enough to believe Obama would cut spending. One year later they are educated. They still want those cuts. They know dems won't deliver. Maybe instead of mucking about with soft GOPers like Bush they will give a second look to genuine conservatism. In this the Tea Parties are instrumental.

[Thor]

The liberal punditry actually thinks subsidized mortgages and bailouts are right-wing ideas and voters are so-o-o-o ticked-off by all this rightism that they would elect...a rightist. The left is trying to claim Bush's press-currying $300 billion/year deficits are the sole reason for Obama's $1.2 trillion/year deficits...but it's Obama's supposed rightist ways that Coakley in the eyes of MA voters.

What people fail to realize or they have forgotten, it was Clinton, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and other Dems that started the subsidized mortgages. While that personally benefitted me for a while, it came to an end around 2006 when the housing market started to collapse. The fact is that Bush merely allowed it to keep going. Clinton also stated that there would be a surplus when he left office. While it "looked good on paper", that's merely it. It was on paper. It was all manipulated data and wasn't reality. The tech sector crashed in September of 2000. That was the start of our economical woes. However, trying to convince the die hard Liberals/ Progressives that Clinton merely rode the Reagonomic wave and the wave petered out because of Clinton's mismanagement is a futile effort.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Even before the votes are counted, Senator Evan Bayh is warning fellow Democrats that ignoring the lessons of the Massachusetts Senate race will “lead to even further catastrophe” for their party.

“There’s going to be a tendency on the part of our people to be in denial about all this,” Bayh told ABC News, but “if you lose Massachusetts and that’s not a wake-up call, there’s no hope of waking up.” …

“The only we are able to govern successfully in this country is by liberals and progressives making common cause with independents and moderates,” Bayh said.  “Whenever you have just the furthest left elements of the Dem party attempting to impose their will on the rest of the country — that’s not going to work too well.” …

“It’s why moderates and independents even in a state as Democratic as Massachusetts just aren’t buying our message. They just don’t believe the answers we are currently proposing are solving their problems. That’s something that has to be corrected.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/01/bayh-warns-catastrophe-if-dems-ignore-massachusetts-senate-race-lessons.html

What people fail to realize or they have forgotten, it was Clinton, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and other Dems that started the subsidized mortgages. While that personally benefitted me for a while, it came to an end around 2006 when the housing market started to collapse. The fact is that Bush merely allowed it to keep going. Clinton also stated that there would be a surplus when he left office. While it "looked good on paper", that's merely it. It was on paper. It was all manipulated data and wasn't reality. The tech sector crashed in September of 2000. That was the start of our economical woes. However, trying to convince the die hard Liberals/ Progressives that Clinton merely rode the Reagonomic wave and the wave petered out because of Clinton's mismanagement is a futile effort.

Yeah. It's tol bold to be cognitive dissonance, it's bald-faced lying.

One minute they say we hate the poor enough to deny old people and minorities a home or we throw people in the street out of sheer spite and malice; then the next minute they accuse us of giving loan guarantees to to prop-up people who were never credit-worthy.

[Thor]

One minute they say we hate the poor enough to deny old people and minorities a home or we throw people in the street out of sheer spite and malice; then the next minute they accuse us of giving loan guarantees to to prop-up people who were never credit-worthy.

The first house I bought was in 1995, after I retired. I had some credit issues because of my immediate post retirement bills. (A few late payments, etc, nothing too major, mostly due to the move and adapting to the reduced income) What I remember was that I had to write letters of explanation and it was a long, drawn out process. The second house and later (1999 and 2006) both went without any question. All in all, it seemed too easy when compared to the first purchase. Granted that there were no credit issues, but even so, it still seemed too easy to obtain those loans. My ex, being a real estate agent, ran people through loans that I couldn't imagine them ever even qualifying, but they did.