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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #325 on: February 01, 2010, 07:59:23 PM »
Still didn't answer the question...


I don't care.


I've answered my fair share of questions. So at this point if'n someone wants an answer outa me on any subject they best demonstrate how they're worth a response.
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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #326 on: February 01, 2010, 08:05:56 PM »

I don't care.


I've answered my fair share of questions. So at this point if'n someone wants an answer outa me on any subject they best demonstrate how they're worth a response.

Yeah. Cause that's how DISCUSSION BOARDS work...  :whatever:

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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #327 on: February 01, 2010, 08:28:42 PM »
Why the hell are you even here?


At the request of a friend.


Who was kind enough to do a favor for me.
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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #328 on: February 02, 2010, 06:49:27 AM »

I don't care.


I've answered my fair share of questions. So at this point if'n someone wants an answer outa me on any subject they best demonstrate how they're worth a response.

Hey, genius--you haven't answered DICK yet.  Just a bunch of snarky replies and a whole shitload of, "I know you are, but what am I?" bullshit.

Start coming correct, or hit the road.
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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #329 on: February 02, 2010, 08:34:56 AM »

I don't care.


I've answered my fair share of questions. So at this point if'n someone wants an answer outa me on any subject they best demonstrate how they're worth a response.

I figured as much.
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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #330 on: February 02, 2010, 05:32:21 PM »
Hey, genius--you haven't answered DICK yet. 



Just shows y'ain been payin attention, Dick. 


I've answered several of your questions.  If I haven't answered enough for ya or haven't answered them to your satisfaction, oh well guess you'll just have ta put on the big girl panties and get over it.




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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #331 on: February 02, 2010, 06:22:25 PM »
Yes, but sailors belong at SEA.  If you wanted to sit on your ass in an office for your entire career you should have joined the Air Force.

My husband has been to every shithole on this planet Sparky -- has a chest full of medals.  Been there, done that and will be buried at Arlington for his efforts so stick it with the Air Force crap.   


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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #332 on: February 02, 2010, 06:25:19 PM »
Just finished reading the rest of the pages of this thread I didn't get to -- God what a waste of time.

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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #333 on: February 02, 2010, 06:27:11 PM »
My husband has been to every shithole on this planet Sparky -- has a chest full of medals.  Been there, done that and will be buried at Arlington for his efforts so stick it with the Air Force crap.   



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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #334 on: February 02, 2010, 06:31:34 PM »


Just shows y'ain been payin attention, Dick. 


I've answered several of your questions.  If I haven't answered enough for ya or haven't answered them to your satisfaction, oh well guess you'll just have ta put on the big girl panties and get over it.




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GFY, dicknose.  I refer you to my earlier question, which after ten days you've still yet to answer...

But back on topic--so would you agree with me that the political left in this country has made a habit over the past, say, quarter-century to turn national tragedy into political points for their agenda or not?

Please provide examples to support your conclusion.

And in the ensuing six pages since I posted that query, you have yet to answer.  Time to put up, or STFU.  Answer the question, or stand by for a curb stomping.
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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #335 on: February 02, 2010, 08:08:47 PM »
I don't see why not, regarding the generalization I challenged earlier I submitted evidence disproving it.

But anyway regarding my observation I suppose, we'll have to agree to disagree as I've presented the most compelling evidence to support it.

I've missed most of this thread, but did catch this reply. And here is my response:

You're incredibly stupid. I've observed that in this thread. I have evidence in this thread to support it - compelling evidence at that.

You owe me evidence of 7 Billion people who want to control others. You've offered nothing by hypothesis and opinion, and a lot of dodging. That is evidence of liberal-dumb-****eness. Please shut off your computer and go back to sucking your thumb... I"m sure mom will be downstairs with cookies soon.  :whatever: :whatever:
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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #336 on: February 03, 2010, 03:05:32 AM »
I've missed most of this thread, but did catch this reply. And here is my response:

You're incredibly stupid. I've observed that in this thread. I have evidence in this thread to support it - compelling evidence at that.


Evidence that reflects less upon me and more upon you, my friend.


You owe me evidence of 7 Billion people who want to control others.


I gave you my evidence/reasoning you chose not to agree. I really couldn't prove 7 billion anyway.  There aren't that many people on planet Terra to date.



You've offered nothing by hypothesis and opinion, and a lot of dodging.


I had quite clearly stated that I offered you opinion and hypothesis in those words exactly.  I made no pretense I was offering anything else, and was quite upfront with my reasoning at that.  

If this is your "evidence," in my opinion (so as not to confuse you again), it is weak at best.



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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #337 on: February 03, 2010, 07:00:21 AM »
JesusHTapdancinChrist, Nick--do you ever know when to STFU?
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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #338 on: February 03, 2010, 08:10:08 AM »

You owe me evidence of 7 Billion people who want to control others.


I'm adding this to my last you want evidence so badly, and if this does not satisfy you well than you can kiss my left testicle because this is my last statement on the subject.  Capisce?

First off the only reason you are so on this is because you ignorantly believe my statement :"All people are naturally inclined to impose their beliefs on others" is of the same caliber as the partisan generalization:  "All Liberals do politicize national tragedies."  I guess you aren't an English major if you can't pick up on the damned difference.  Neither am I, but I've got one up on you.  Let me clarify this for you and I'll try to use small words.  I made an observation regarding attitudes that may or may not be acted upon. With me so far? "All Liberals do...." isn't just an observation of attitude but of behavior, behavior specific to a distinct, but diverse, group of people.   See the difference?  Inclination versus action.  


OK now that I've gotten that out of the way.  


I will now elaborate as to the evidence to support my HYPOTHESIS.  I have observed that in American culture the term "freedom" is often tossed around from all sides of the political arena, like it is the exclusive mantra of every possible party or ideology.  Each ideology/party though insists upon some form of law and order, which is logical, but they differ as to where the line between Liberty and law should be drawn and in most cases the line is drawn at the point between what is found to be morally acceptable or unacceptable.  How many people do you know that would stand up and defend the right to do or say something in opposition to their own values?

"I may disagree with what you have to say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

There are people who can and do live up to these lofty words, but in their minds is that their first inclination?  Would it be yours?  It's not mine.  If I believe in a sense of right and wrong choices, if anyone does, why would they believe those choices are inapplicable to others?  Who would want people to violate their moral or ethical values?  Look at how the stereotypical left and right break down along these lines.  In  the case of both, once again you hear "freedom" tossed around like a frisbee, but your average left winger draws the line at freedom to bear arms for example, as firearms clash with their moral choices, and for your average right winger the line is drawn at abortion for example, because that clashes with their moral choices.  What do you have?  Gun control and pro life.  It is easy to defend the freedom to act and believe in a manner that is morally and ethically acceptable, and difficult, to say the least to defend the freedom to act and believe in a manner that is morally and ethically unacceptable.  

If someone is able to defend individual liberty outside of their moral standards, they make a conscious choice to resist the natural inclination to oppose such activity, and the degree to which they are able to extend this sense of liberty is what distinguishes libertarian(since the word "Liberal" is such a dirty word even if it does apply by way of its original meaning) and authoritarian ideologies.  Even amongst anarchist schools of thought there exists a value based form of law and order where it rests upon individuals to enforce moral standards arbitrarily to the point of almost being the antithesis of a free society despite the lack of a central authority.  
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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #339 on: February 03, 2010, 08:15:59 AM »
11 days (and counting).
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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #340 on: February 03, 2010, 08:43:33 AM »
Yes, but sailors belong at SEA.  If you wanted to sit on your ass in an office for your entire career you should have joined the Air Force.

My husband has been to every shithole on this planet Sparky -- has a chest full of medals.  Been there, done that and will be buried at Arlington for his efforts so stick it with the Air Force crap.   



Formerlurker, this wasn't a slam on your husband, per se, but a statement reflecting the interservice rivalry that exists amongst those of us who have served in one of the branches of the military.
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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #341 on: February 03, 2010, 09:06:47 AM »
Formerlurker, this wasn't a slam on your husband, per se, but a statement reflecting the interservice rivalry that exists amongst those of us who have served in one of the branches of the military.

Well, at least you didn't tell her to lighten up....   :-)
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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #342 on: February 03, 2010, 09:22:32 AM »

Evidence that reflects less upon me and more upon you, my friend.

I gave you my evidence/reasoning you chose not to agree. I really couldn't prove 7 billion anyway.  There aren't that many people on planet Terra to date.

I had quite clearly stated that I offered you opinion and hypothesis in those words exactly.  I made no pretense I was offering anything else, and was quite upfront with my reasoning at that.  

If this is your "evidence," in my opinion (so as not to confuse you again), it is weak at best.
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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #343 on: February 03, 2010, 10:31:54 AM »

I'm adding this to my last you want evidence so badly, and if this does not satisfy you well than you can kiss my left testicle because this is my last statement on the subject.  Capisce?

First off the only reason you are so on this is because you ignorantly believe my statement :"All people are naturally inclined to impose their beliefs on others" is of the same caliber as the partisan generalization:  "All Liberals do politicize national tragedies."  I guess you aren't an English major if you can't pick up on the damned difference.  Neither am I, but I've got one up on you.  Let me clarify this for you and I'll try to use small words.  I made an observation regarding attitudes that may or may not be acted upon. With me so far? "All Liberals do...." isn't just an observation of attitude but of behavior, behavior specific to a distinct, but diverse, group of people.   See the difference?  Inclination versus action.   
OK, fine, you big baby.

ALL liberals EXCEPT YOU politicize tragedies.

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« Reply #344 on: February 03, 2010, 10:36:17 AM »
Well, at least you didn't tell her to lighten up....   :-)

Meh.  She'll be mad at me for a while, then we'll get over it.  Hey, I've been to a lot of those shitholes, didn't get the fruit salad for it (because we weren't there, wink wink), and because I didn't retire or get a significant medal, am not eligible for burial at Arlington, but it's all good.

But even you have to admit, FL, that the cush factor is pretty high in the AF compared to the other services.
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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #345 on: February 03, 2010, 12:15:59 PM »
Meh.  She'll be mad at me for a while, then we'll get over it.  Hey, I've been to a lot of those shitholes, didn't get the fruit salad for it (because we weren't there, wink wink), and because I didn't retire or get a significant medal, am not eligible for burial at Arlington, but it's all good.

But even you have to admit, FL, that the cush factor is pretty high in the AF compared to the other services.

Any military service that refers to its barracks as "dormitories" has the cush factor pretty well figured out.   :rotf:
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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #346 on: February 03, 2010, 02:58:29 PM »
If my trip to San Angelo is any example of what the Air Force "cush factor" is, they have it NICE when compared to all of the other services.
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« Reply #347 on: February 03, 2010, 06:19:28 PM »
Meh.  She'll be mad at me for a while, then we'll get over it.  Hey, I've been to a lot of those shitholes, didn't get the fruit salad for it (because we weren't there, wink wink), and because I didn't retire or get a significant medal, am not eligible for burial at Arlington, but it's all good.

But even you have to admit, FL, that the cush factor is pretty high in the AF compared to the other services.

Sparky my husband was in Spec Ops for a considerable time and flew for a living - he has been places he had to wear a black sheet over his head when they landed so no one could identify them.    There is a saying in special ops - we don't win wars, we prevent them.   There are no accolades or medals for the stuff they do.   

He will be buried in Arlington because he qualifies and deserves it.   Counting the military academy he has given his entire adult life to service, and not behind a desk (although I applaud and respect those who has done this for our country also).

The pissing match between the services is not anything I can understand.   


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Re: Liberals politicizing tragedies for political gain
« Reply #348 on: February 03, 2010, 11:24:00 PM »


The pissing match between the services is not anything I can understand.   



It's called "Inter-service Rivalry". Think of it as a brotherhood. Each service member considers their branch the best and pokes fun at the others. It really ain't much of a thing, just meant more in fun. Hell, in the Navy, we have an in-service rivalry between the surface ship folks, the aviation component and the submarine force. It can even be broken down further to the difference between each rating group.
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« Reply #349 on: February 04, 2010, 08:31:37 AM »
Sparky my husband was in Spec Ops for a considerable time and flew for a living - he has been places he had to wear a black sheet over his head when they landed so no one could identify them.    There is a saying in special ops - we don't win wars, we prevent them.   There are no accolades or medals for the stuff they do.   

He will be buried in Arlington because he qualifies and deserves it.   Counting the military academy he has given his entire adult life to service, and not behind a desk (although I applaud and respect those who has done this for our country also).

The pissing match between the services is not anything I can understand.   



It is what it is.

And as any submariner can tell you, we're not called the "Silent Service" for nothing.  Every deployment we did an Op or two.  It would go anywhere from 20 to 90 days, we'd have spooks, SEAL's, or weird shit hanging off the hull.  When we left and dove, we'd get a brief, which consisted of, "Here's where you're not going, here's what you're not doing, and if you talk about it, many years of federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison will be your reward."  On the way back, we'd sign debrief sheets saying, "Here's where you didn't go, here's what you didn't do, and if you discuss this even with crew members who were there with you, many years of federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison will be your reward."

That's why I don't have a chestful of medals.  It's why I won't get buried at Arlington.  It IS, however, how I qualified for membership in the VFW.  Just sayin.

And when you consider the working conditions of Air Force versus Navy, who admittedly have it better than our Army and Marine counterparts, yeah, I think I can safely say the AF has it pretty ****in cush.
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