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Offline Peter3_1

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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2010, 10:36:44 AM »
Correct Splashdown. the "R"'s failings are staying "R"'s AFTER they go to Washington.  They seem to forget that the "D"'s see politics as unrestricted warfare, no rules, destroy the opposition and WIN! So the "R"'s try and play nice, foolishly think that the honorarium "My FRIEND across the aisle" is actually a "friend". Nlo, it is your political enemy looking to stick a knife in ANY chink in your armor. This is usually acomplished by getting the nitwits to vote RINO, and then the "R" base won't vote for them any more.

Alternately, the "D"'s don't revolt until you have an UTTERLY incompetent candidate who agrees to a Marxist agenda!!!

 Hope Scott realizes the fight has JUST BEGUN, and he must stay true to his principles!
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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2010, 10:52:27 AM »
Exactly!

And Splashdown, that was my point on another thread...good on YOU!
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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2010, 12:01:43 PM »
Michelle Malken says much the same thing as bkg:

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January 19 was an amazing day for grass-roots conservatism. But the Beltway GOP should be warned against unjustified triumphalism. They were late to the game. Activists still haven’t, and won’t, forget the massive amounts of money Washington, D.C. Republicans wasted on Dede Scozzafava. And Scott Brown quite noticeably didn’t mention the word “Republican” once during his prepared remarks.

The GOP brand is still damaged. And instant exploitation of the Brown win — see the NRSC website here — isn’t going to help matters. As I’ve said for many years, the Republican Party needs to clean its own house before it demands that the Democrats clean theirs

The Brown victory was very clearly a strike against machine politics of all kinds and business as usual in Washington. That includes top-down meddling by tired old GOP operatives. The party bosses have tried to install their preferred Senate candidates in Florida, Colorado, and California. They will use Brown’s win to argue for more “mooooooderation.” As I wrote yesterday in my analysis of how Brown unified a center-right-indie coalition, that is not the lesson of the Massachusetts miracle
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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2010, 04:23:56 PM »
Well, the GOP won. What are the Dems gonn do ater they've wiped the egg off their faces...
heh heh heh ... :tongue:
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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2010, 06:16:51 PM »
Quote from: Splashdown on January 20, 2010, 12:01:43 PM
Michelle Malken says much the same thing as bkg:
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Yes/No. I completely agree with her. I'm just not sure Brown is a full-on Conservative, or just ran as one. As noted on this forum, he supported Mass' health insurance mandates.

This shows CAMPAIGNING as a conservative helped him win... I'll reserve judgement on whether or not he really IS a conservative until after he makes a few votes...
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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2010, 06:27:50 PM »
Quote from: bkg on January 20, 2010, 06:16:51 PM
Yes/No. I completely agree with her. I'm just not sure Brown is a full-on Conservative, or just ran as one. As noted on this forum, he supported Mass' health insurance mandates.

This shows CAMPAIGNING as a conservative helped him win... I'll reserve judgement on whether or not he really IS a conservative until after he makes a few votes...

Scott Brown votes with the Republicans (all 16 of them) in the statehouse -- always.   He is the 41st vote.   That is really all you need to know. 
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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2010, 06:48:14 PM »
Quote from: formerlurker on January 20, 2010, 06:27:50 PM
Scott Brown votes with the Republicans (all 16 of them) in the statehouse -- always.   He is the 41st vote.   That is really all you need to know. 

Whoa... that's where we part ways. If all I need to know is that he alwasy votes republican (taking your word for it), then how the fawk do we know if he's the conservative that he campaigned as?

Why is this conversation bugging so many of you? Seriously...  it's not personal; I'm happy with the election results... I'm just challenging the idea that GOP=conservative... If he just "tows the line," then we're fawked. If he's a conservative, and someone who will NOT tow the line, then we're in much better shape. We won't know that for months.
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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2010, 07:41:06 PM »
Quote from: bkg on January 20, 2010, 06:48:14 PM
Whoa... that's where we part ways. If all I need to know is that he alwasy votes republican (taking your word for it), then how the fawk do we know if he's the conservative that he campaigned as?

Why is this conversation bugging so many of you? Seriously...  it's not personal; I'm happy with the election results... I'm just challenging the idea that GOP=conservative... If he just "tows the line," then we're fawked. If he's a conservative, and someone who will NOT tow the line, then we're in much better shape. We won't know that for months.

He is the 41st vote against the super majority.   Really the most important characteristic we need from him right now.   
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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2010, 09:30:19 PM »
Quote from: bkg on January 20, 2010, 06:48:14 PM
Whoa... that's where we part ways. If all I need to know is that he alwasy votes republican (taking your word for it), then how the fawk do we know if he's the conservative that he campaigned as?

Why is this conversation bugging so many of you? Seriously...  it's not personal; I'm happy with the election results... I'm just challenging the idea that GOP=conservative... If he just "tows the line," then we're fawked. If he's a conservative, and someone who will NOT tow the line, then we're in much better shape. We won't know that for months.

I am going to give him a chance and take him at his word. Seems like you have problem with that.

As much I would like the Congress to move far right of center, it is not going to happen. Obama and the democrats tilted too far to the left. That is why Brown won and that is why they are going to get stomped in 2010. Independents determine races in most cases. They do not want extreme positions on either side. If you do not understand that, I can not help you.
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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2010, 10:08:11 PM »
Quote from: Lacarnut on January 20, 2010, 09:30:19 PM
I am going to give him a chance and take him at his word. Seems like you have problem with that.

Please see all of the posts I've already made where I said we'll have to watch his record. Hopefully his word will ring true.

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As much I would like the Congress to move far right of center, it is not going to happen. Obama and the democrats tilted too far to the left. That is why Brown won and that is why they are going to get stomped in 2010. Independents determine races in most cases. They do not want extreme positions on either side. If you do not understand that, I can not help you.

Not sure where I stated that independents do like extreme positions? You'll have to dig that one up if I did - don't recall it. But let's take that to it's next step - if the majority of the votors who helped elect Brown were the independents... then why would the GOP go to the right? Why not stay right where they are - in the middle?
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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2010, 10:46:27 PM »
Quote from: bkg on January 20, 2010, 10:08:11 PM
Please see all of the posts I've already made where I said we'll have to watch his record. Hopefully his word will ring true.

Not sure where I stated that independents do like extreme positions? You'll have to dig that one up if I did - don't recall it. But let's take that to it's next step - if the majority of the votors who helped elect Brown were the independents... then why would the GOP go to the right? Why not stay right where they are - in the middle?


MA voters voted to go to the right of where Coakley/Obama is which is far left. The GOP needs to get their act together and run on fiscal responsibility, smaller government, lower taxes and common sense health care reform. You don't think that was the policy of the Bush Administration for 8 years do you? I am looking at the big picture rather than a narrow view of one state's election.

Repubs need to focus on the wins in the last 3 elections so that they can duplicate them in 2010. BTW, I never stated that you said that independents like extreme positions. You will have to dig that one up .
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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2010, 11:06:31 PM »
Quote from: Lacarnut on January 20, 2010, 10:46:27 PM
MA voters voted to go to the right of where Coakley/Obama is which is far left. The GOP needs to get their act together and run on fiscal responsibility, smaller government, lower taxes and common sense health care reform. You don't think that was the policy of the Bush Administration for 8 years do you? I am looking at the big picture rather than a narrow view of one state's election.

Repubs need to focus on the wins in the last 3 elections so that they can duplicate them in 2010. BTW, I never stated that you said that independents like extreme positions. You will have to dig that one up .

Absolutely correct (and right, too).  That is what Brown ran on, basically, and that is what got him from virtual unknown to kingslayer in a month's time.
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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2010, 06:54:56 AM »
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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2010, 08:12:44 AM »
Quote from: Lacarnut on January 20, 2010, 10:46:27 PM
MA voters voted to go to the right of where Coakley/Obama is which is far left. The GOP needs to get their act together and run on fiscal responsibility, smaller government, lower taxes and common sense health care reform. You don't think that was the policy of the Bush Administration for 8 years do you? I am looking at the big picture rather than a narrow view of one state's election.

Repubs need to focus on the wins in the last 3 elections so that they can duplicate them in 2010. BTW, I never stated that you said that independents like extreme positions. You will have to dig that one up .

Hi,

I think it is fair to mention that Brown is on a short leash also.  I think he serves the remainder of the Kennedy term which means he should come up in 2012.  Kerry was elected in 2008 so he figures he is sitting pretty at this point.

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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2010, 09:44:36 AM »
Quote from: 5412 on January 21, 2010, 08:12:44 AM
Hi,

I think it is fair to mention that Brown is on a short leash also.  I think he serves the remainder of the Kennedy term which means he should come up in 2012.  Kerry was elected in 2008 so he figures he is sitting pretty at this point.

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Excellent point. So it begs the question - will Brown make waves or will he blend in? I think the fact that he won at all is an indication that he MUST make waves... but is there a line to balance in preparation for 2012?
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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2010, 09:48:26 AM »
Quote from: bkg on January 21, 2010, 09:44:36 AM
Excellent point. So it begs the question - will Brown make waves or will he blend in? I think the fact that he won at all is an indication that he MUST make waves... but is there a line to balance in preparation for 2012?

Brown represents the people and interests of "Massachusettes" [sic], not national interests. He only has to answer to his voters. Holding him to any other sort of standard probably isn't fair. It suffices for me that he is the vote that insures a fillibuster threat if necessary.

He's considerably more conservative than my two Pennsylvania senators, so for the first time in my life I'm jealous of the Massachussetts delegation.
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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2010, 12:07:58 PM »
Quote from: bkg on January 21, 2010, 09:44:36 AM
Excellent point. So it begs the question - will Brown make waves or will he blend in? I think the fact that he won at all is an indication that he MUST make waves... but is there a line to balance in preparation for 2012?

He will blend in and vote on what got him elected. That being a resounding no to health care, strong defense and fiscal responsibility. FYI, Freshman Senators do not make waves. They have to learn the ropes (Senate rules and protocol), and they wind up getting the least plum committie positions. 
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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2010, 04:51:58 PM »
Quote from: Lacarnut on January 21, 2010, 12:07:58 PM
He will blend in and vote on what got him elected. That being a resounding no to health care, strong defense and fiscal responsibility. FYI, Freshman Senators do not make waves. They have to learn the ropes (Senate rules and protocol), and they wind up getting the least plum committie positions. 

Hope you're right, but I can't rest on that assumption. Again, hope you're right.
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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2010, 05:01:24 PM »
You know, McCain's starting to act like a "R" again...and Brown saw him first today. Hope this bodes well for the man and conservativeism.
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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #44 on: January 22, 2010, 05:31:52 PM »
What's that I hear running up - or down- Chris Mathews legs now?! LOL
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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #45 on: January 22, 2010, 05:42:34 PM »
Quote from: bkg on January 21, 2010, 09:44:36 AM
Excellent point. So it begs the question - will Brown make waves or will he blend in? I think the fact that he won at all is an indication that he MUST make waves... but is there a line to balance in preparation for 2012?

Hi,

If Brown is smart he will vote conservative and he will be very vocal in MA as to why he has done so to appeal to the people, not just the unions.  He would do well to offer an amendment or two on some issues that may well get killed in committee; particularly if the amendment makes sense.  For example, if the health bill comes up, he should take a strong position that it should apply to congress as well, things like that which are wildly popular and no-brainers.

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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #46 on: January 23, 2010, 11:23:26 AM »
right 5412, and he should avoid becoming irrevokable attached to any "populist" thinking. AND reread Sun Tzu as if he were now the Emperor, especially that part about paying your spies very well.
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Re: How Scared are the Dems of a Brown Victory?
« Reply #47 on: January 23, 2010, 11:37:37 PM »
I suspect that within 6 months that Brown will be a GOP puppet.

I hope I am wrong, but it seems to happen all too often once one reaches Capitol Hill.
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