Anyone want to help debunk this stupid e-mail?

[thundley4]

Arger68 (535 posts)             Thu Jan-14-10 11:38 AM
Original message
Anyone want to help debunk this stupid e-mail?
   

To President Obama and all 535 voting members of the Legislature,

It is now official you are ALL corrupt morons:

The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775. You have had 234 years to get it right and it is broke.
Social Securitywas established in 1935. You have had 74 years to get it right and it is broke.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get it right and it is broke.
War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor" and they only want more.
Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44 years to get it right and they are broke.
Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get it right and it is broke.
The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32 years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.

You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our throats while overspending our tax dollars

AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARESYSTEM??

Folks, keep this circulating. It is very well stated. Maybe it will end up in the e-mails of some of our "duly elected' and their staff (they never read anything) will clue them in on how American's feel.

Do we really give "the poor" 1 trillion a year? I notice there's nothing in this message about a trillion + per year on "defense" spending either.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7463459

From the low post count, the OP may be trolling, but no one calls them on it.

NJmaverick   (1000+ posts)           Thu Jan-14-10 11:41 AM
Response to Original message
1. The government created the internet you are using to circulate this assinine
   
email. It's not the government systems, but the crap people like you put into it.

How does that help refute anything in the OP?

Mayberry Machiavelli   (1000+ posts)             Thu Jan-14-10 11:42 AM
Response to Original message
2. Postal service, Medicare etc. are not broke. Ask them to provide a citation to "bunk" this instead
   
of putting the burden on yourself to "debunk" it.

A service like the Postal Service, or the military etc. is a government service and doesn't need to turn a profit like a private corporation.

The military is something completely different.  However, the USPS should at least break  even, if not turn a profit, same for Amtrak.

HopeHoops   (1000+ posts)           Thu Jan-14-10 11:45 AM
Response to Original message
4. It costs 44 cents to have a letter picked up at your home and delivered to another home in the US.
   
Beat that!

Obviously it costs much more than that or the USPS would not be hemorrhaging money.

Puzzler (1000+ posts)           Thu Jan-14-10 11:46 AM
Response to Original message
5. First off I ask them to define "broke" ...
   
"Broke" in the context of a government run corporation can be almost meaningless.

I'm not American, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but is the USPS actually supposed to be run at a profit like a regular corporation? And if the USPS is really broke, then can we include all of the assets that the USPS owns, such as the billions of dollars worth of property and equipment? Seems to me that we should be looking at everything before we declare something as "broke".

Sure, count the government properties as assets, but they won't be sold to meet debt obligations.

Individualist   (1000+ posts)             Thu Jan-14-10 11:46 AM
Response to Original message
6. Tell the ignorant sender to learn how to fact check.
   
Why spend your time getting the facts when he/she is too lazy to do so?

The OP was too lazy to fact check and it sounds like you are, too.  Most things in the OP have been reported in the news and are common knowledge.

NRaleighLiberal   (1000+ posts)           Thu Jan-14-10 11:49 AM
Response to Original message
8. I would, if you wanted to get into it, say...
   
"The U.S. Post Service (it is Postal Service, Moron) works fine.
Social Securitywas (no such thing as "socialsecuritywas", moron)works fine.
War on Poverty - we have poverty due to the extreme greed of Republicans and their drive to deregulate, thus promoting corporate greed.
Medicare and Medicaid work fine. Any republican who complains about it should just refuse the help, you hypocrites.
The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil. Thanks to all of the Republican efforts to block alternate energy development and stack decks like Halliburton, it is a mess.

No one has defined failure like Republicans.

Go eat shit, morons."

Or you can use "Moran" if you like, but they wouldn't get the joke!

So you're rebuttal technique is to go nuh uh, they are all fine.  Change your SN to ostrichwithheadinsand.

SargeUNN (79 posts)           Thu Jan-14-10 11:50 AM
Response to Original message
9. couple of points
   
Social Security was opposed by Republicans at it's creation, now they want to "save" it?
SSI only allows a maximum of about $650 (depends on what state you are in) total income per month and yet the poverty level is 11,000 so these people don't even come close to the poverty level. Even veterans on SSI gets their disability check counted against their total because it is called double dipping which McCain for some strange reason doesn't have apply to him. This is the handiwork of the Republican party when in control.

David Vitter of Louisiana is siding with the formaldhyde industry in court cases to make sure that they aren't held accountable for the death and illness their toxic chemical gave to the Katrina Area and now with these trailers spread all over, it has become the gift that keeps giving and yet the Republicans, especially Vitter, are doing all they can to see this death continues. See http://toxictrailers.com for more information.

When all else fails , bring up Katrina.

Arger68 (535 posts)             Thu Jan-14-10 11:52 AM
Response to Original message
10. Thank you for all the replies so far,
   
keep 'em coming. I will put together a reply e-mail and hit "reply all" soon!!

Really?  You think these replies helped to rebut the OP email?

Enrique   (1000+ posts)           Thu Jan-14-10 11:54 AM
Response to Original message
11. if having a deficit means failure, then our country is a failure
   
America was established in 1776. You've had 234 years to get it right and it is broke.

This country FAILED!!! Write your representatives and demand we go back to being a British colony!

If that is true, then Lord Zero has made it an even BIGGER FAILURE.

[USA4ME]

Arger68 primitive, the answer is obvious.  Just write back the person who sent it to you and say.......

 

Problem solved.

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[Wineslob]

Just when I think they can't get any DUmber.......................they prove me wrong. 

[Specbid]

Great e-mail. Have seen it several times. The DUmmies' responses...well, they're too f***ing stupid to bother commenting on. spit.

[The Village Idiot]

Dear N RollyLib

Capitalism does not create scarcity.

[diesel driver]

NRaleighLiberal   (1000+ posts)           Thu Jan-14-10 11:49 AM
Response to Original message
8. I would, if you wanted to get into it, say...
   
...Go eat shit, morons."

Or you can use "Moran" if you like, but they wouldn't get the joke!

I get it.  Rep. Jim Moran (D) from VA....

And he IS a MORON....

[Karin]

Thundley said:

So your rebuttal technique is to go nuh uh, they are all fine.

No kidding.  That reminded me of a "refutation" posted at the Kostards sandbox.  The guy went through line by line of all the current arguments against HCR.  (This was posted & discussed briefly here).  The guy's answer to all the complaints and scepticism was "Obama has said in a speech that that would not be so."  Laughable, chillingly naive, and intellectually lazy. 

[DumbAss Tanker]

Their inability to come up with anything cogent in rebuttal says it all.

 

[The Village Idiot]

Thundley said:
No kidding.  That reminded me of a "refutation" posted at the Kostards sandbox.  The guy went through line by line of all the current arguments against HCR.  (This was posted & discussed briefly here).  The guy's answer to all the complaints and scepticism was "Obama has said in a speech that that would not be so."  Laughable, chillingly naive, and intellectually lazy. 

They are sheep. baaahhh... lead me to the butcher.

[Chris_]

As we all know the DUmp is made up of the self-proclaimed most intelligent people in the universe. Based on their reports you can't swing a cat (or even a female who thinks she's a male who is a cat) on their site without hitting several thousand people who have genius level IQs. With this in mind it always amazes me when I see a post like: "Anyone want to help debunk this stupid e-mail?"

And it's not a rarity. If I had a dollar for every "help me refute this common sense" type post I'd be doing well even in 0's economy.

[YupItsMe]

I agree with the original e-mail except for the comment about the postal service.  When you think about it.  The fact that you can get a letter delivered to just about any part of the U.S. in two days for $.44 in 2010 is actually pretty remarkable.  The farthest back I remember is 8 cent stamps and that's got to be way back to the sixties.  When you factor in inflation it's no wonder they can't make a profit, but Americans would scream bloody murder if they raised the price of a stamp up to about $.55 or $.60 where it probably really should be.  Back when I was a boy not only did it cost $.08, but the last customer on the route had tt feed the pony a pail of oats and some fresh water.  

[thundley4]

I agree with the original e-mail except for the comment about the postal service.  When you think about it.  The fact that you can get a letter delivered to just about any part of the U.S. in two days for $.44 in 2010 is actually pretty remarkable.  The farthest back I remember is 8 cent stamps and that's got to be way back to the sixties.  When you factor in inflation it's no wonder they can't make a profit, but Americans would scream bloody murder if they raised the price of a stamp up to about $.55 or $.60 where it probably really should be.  Back when I was a boy not only did it cost $.08, but the last customer on the route had tt feed the pony a pail of oats and some fresh water.  

On the contrary. Right now the cost is spread among all taxpayers to fund the USPS. Let them charge what it actually costs to mail a letter.  Why do bulk mailers get a cheaper rate, anyway?  I can go and mail out 100 2 page newsletters and pay less than I would sending 100 regular one page letters. 

[DefiantSix]

They are sheep. baaahhh... lead me to the butcher.

By way of the fleece shearer, of course.

[EastFacingNorth]

I agree with the original e-mail except for the comment about the postal service.  When you think about it.  The fact that you can get a letter delivered to just about any part of the U.S. in two days for $.44 in 2010 is actually pretty remarkable.  The farthest back I remember is 8 cent stamps and that's got to be way back to the sixties.  When you factor in inflation it's no wonder they can't make a profit, but Americans would scream bloody murder if they raised the price of a stamp up to about $.55 or $.60 where it probably really should be.  Back when I was a boy not only did it cost $.08, but the last customer on the route had tt feed the pony a pail of oats and some fresh water.  

First, 44 cents is NOT the entire cost of mailing that letter, otherwise USPS would require no tax dollar support.

Second, Lysander Spooner's privately owned and operated postal service did a fine job iof delivering letters more reliably and cheaper than the USPS did, until the federal government outlawed it and all private postal systems.  Don't expect me to buy that the government's system is efficient, when the government makes it illegal to compete aainst them, making it impossible to compare efficiency in any meaningful way.