Who's gonna take care of the laziest of the lazy

[Tucker]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7409016

Ladyhawk  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Wed Jan-06-10 06:19 PM
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So, what are WE going to do for those who can't afford health care?
   
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 06:29 PM by Ladyhawk
I've been chronically ill with treatment-resistant major depression for about twenty years with lows punctuated by even lower lows. Recently, the bottom fell out for me when California State budget cuts laid off my psychiatrist and my psychologist, as well as a good friend who is also a psychologist.

Under Medi-Cal rules, I cannot seek help out-of-county and the situation after all the lay-offs is very grim.

People keep telling me: "I hope things get better for you" or "I'm praying for you."

Hope and pray in one hand. Shit in the other. See which one fills up first.

This message board is ****ing meaningless and I'm just as guilty as the rest of you. We come here to bitch about our problems and do absolutely nothing to solve them. Currently, I'm seriously ill. Maybe I deserve a bit of a pass; maybe not. The only thing I've done to help the situation was send some money to DFA recently. Laughable.

So, here's a challenge (to myself as well): What are WE going to do to help those suffering because they can't afford health care? (Or in my case, don't have access to health care because all the good doctors got laid off.)

Tell me.

Show me.

I have no ideas.

Is there anyone at that site that isn't in therapy? Sheesh!

Goldstein1984  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Wed Jan-06-10 06:34 PM
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2. The only ideas that I have seem to be unpalatable to most   Updated at 3:29 PM
   
I don't believe "the system" is going to let us solve the problem because "the system" IS the problem.

Not to repeat the same old rhetoric, but as long and medical care is a for-profit, fee-for-service system, economics will always outweigh health as the objective.

We cannot rely on elected representatives for meaningful reform in the current system because reform is no more in their financial interest than it is in the financial interest of the health care and health insurance industries. Short version: Don't expect solutions from Washington, D.C.

What do we do?--Easy to say, difficult to make it happen.

1) We find a way to organize. The biggest hurdles to this are both those who believe the political process is too corrupted to provide a solution and those who believe the political process can provide a solution.

2) Organized, we send a clear message to elected officials: a) This system is not working for the people; b) you are your puppet masters are outnumbered by the people; and c) help us fix the system or we will destroy the system and you along with it.

3) We wait (a very short time) for significant reform. If it doesn't happen, we use every non-violent method to disrupt both the political and health care systems as they currently exist.

How? Targeted boycotts for example. A lot of medications are optional, at least for short periods. What if we could get 30% of people taking statin drugs to stop taking them for two months? That translates into a 5% loss of revenue for manufacturers of that medication. (A lot of people would likely find that without statin drugs they lose a lot of the muscle aches and pains caused by the drug, and they might stop taking it altogether.)

How's those working out for you?

cali  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Wed Jan-06-10 06:55 PM
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7. are you a physician? An RN?
   
I think your recommendation that people stop taking statins is wholly irresponsible.

Ladyhawk  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Wed Jan-06-10 07:19 PM
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14. I've been thinking of going off my drugs, but unfortunately,
   
I need a physician's assistance to do so. Talk about a catch-22.

I can get my medications, but a trip to see a doctor swamped by the lay-off fallout seems useless. I don't feel he's much of a help to me.

Sounds like a junkie. Move to New York. They'll help you with your drug problem. They have a booklet to show you how to inject it correctly.

Ladyhawk  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Wed Jan-06-10 10:44 PM
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22. I'm pretty sure the meds aren't helping me.
   
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 10:46 PM by Ladyhawk
I'm on a boatload of pychiatric drugs and I'm more suicidal than I've been in my entire life. I don't think I could get much worse...maybe in the short run while I'm going off the meds.

Either way, there's a high risk factor for suicide. I might as well die with less crap in my system.

Where's BadCat's instructional pic?

twhite1  (3 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Wed Jan-06-10 06:54 PM
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6. More worrisome is what THEY might do
   

Mandated Community Service in exchange for HC?

Chips are flying.

cali  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Wed Jan-06-10 06:56 PM
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8. uh, wrong.

AlienGirl  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Wed Jan-06-10 07:39 PM
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16. We are going to have to get used to dying again. Today I found out how little the clinic can do
   
They can refer me to a psychiatrist (but I've got to come up with the money). They can refer me to an oncologist (who can see me if I have the money). They can even refer me to an oral surgeon (who can treat me if I can come up with the money). I have access to the first gateway of the healthcare system--but beyond that, the day I get really sick, the cancer comes back, an infection goes septic, I am out of luck.

Only death comes for free.

Tucker

Not me.

Ladyhawk  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Wed Jan-06-10 07:46 PM
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18. Man, lots of people are in trouble. I really don't know what to do. nt

See post 22.

Ladyhawk  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Jan-07-10 03:25 PM
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32. Blame isn't the issue. I'm suggesting that communities should take up the slack.
   
Edited on Thu Jan-07-10 03:33 PM by Ladyhawk
Empathize in one hand; shit in the other. See which one fills up first. (Let's see, I've added "hope", "pray", "wish" and now "empathize" to my "shit list". )

If I die from lack of health care, does it really matter whose fault it is? Or will it comfort you to have someone to blame when perhaps you could have done something besides rely on corrupt politicians? The Republicans will blame me. The Democrats will blame the system and meanwhile, thousands will die.

I'm asking what WE THE PEOPLE can do.

Perhaps doctors need to swallow their pride and not make as much money as they're used to making.

Perhaps local people need to organize and create a health care system that doesn't rely on the government.

I don't know how this can happen. Certainly, I'm in no position to make it happen.

If WE THE PEOPLE can't do this, maybe we all deserve to die from lack of health care. Most likely, it's already too late for thousands.

[USA4ME]

Ladyhawk

I'm asking what WE THE PEOPLE can do.

There's all sorts of things you can do, but let's cut through all the crap.  Here's what you will do:

... bitch about our problems and do absolutely nothing to solve them

You're liberals.

.

[franksolich]

You know, forgive my calloused attitude.

It's unfortunate.

Excresence happens.

Not everybody is "guaranteed" a full life of three score and ten years.

The squawking primitive, the subway cat, Doug's ex-wife, the hypochondrial primitive "mopinko," and all these other primitives taking shitloads of mood-altering pharmaceuticals (and who oddly never seem to get well with them), should just quit taking them, and let nature take its natural course.

Their lives without pharmaceuticals can't possibly be any worse than their lives with taxpayer-paid pharmaceuticals.

If such would drive them to suicide, so be it; nature is taking its natural course.

[kenth]

You know, forgive my calloused attitude.

It's unfortunate.

Excresence happens.

Not everybody is "guaranteed" a full life of three score and ten years.

The squawking primitive, the subway cat, Doug's ex-wife, the hypochondrial primitive "mopinko," and all these other primitives taking shitloads of mood-altering pharmaceuticals (and who oddly never seem to get well with them), should just quit taking them, and let nature take its natural course.

Their lives without pharmaceuticals can't possibly be any worse than their lives with taxpayer-paid pharmaceuticals.

If such would drive them to suicide, so be it; nature is taking its natural course.

As you said about the LVL, and other primitives before, they keep doing the same thing and expect different results. How many of them do we see who have been in therapy for most of their lives? If they aren't cured with years of psychotherapy, then they likely will never be. Most of them are searching for something to fill that void in their lives, in their hearts. It's simple, they've rejected God. No amount of pharmaceuticals or therapy will fill it. They actively refuse to be healed, so yes, let nature take it's course.

[franksolich]

Most of them are searching for something to fill that void in their lives, in their hearts. It's simple, they've rejected God. No amount of pharmaceuticals or therapy will fill it. They actively refuse to be healed, so yes, let nature take it's course.

You nailed it, sir, real good.

[Karin]

Ladyhawk, is she still here?  I've been here for a year and she's been this close to suicide for all that time. 
Goldstein1984 has some of the lamest, stupidest ideas in the world.  Just stop taking your meds!  That'll learn 'em!  Not one damn dime! 

[Tucker]

As you said about the LVL, and other primitives before, they keep doing the same thing and expect different results. How many of them do we see who have been in therapy for most of their lives? If they aren't cured with years of psychotherapy, then they likely will never be. Most of them are searching for something to fill that void in their lives, in their hearts. It's simple, they've rejected God. No amount of pharmaceuticals or therapy will fill it. They actively refuse to be healed, so yes, let nature take it's course.

Well said.

[GOBUCKS]

Ladybug is a typical DUmmy. She has been promising us a suicide for years, and never goes through with it. We would miss her hilarious threads, but the world would be a happier place if she would for just this once make good on her promise.

[Carl]

I've been chronically ill with treatment-resistant major depression for about twenty years

Someone tell me then what is the point of wasting more money on her?

[Duchess]

Good grief, can't they catch a clue? Nobody wants these blood-sucking parasites to live long lives!!!

[DefiantSix]

Good grief, can't they catch a clue? Nobody wants these blood-sucking parasites to live long lives!!!

Damn, I wonder if you're on to something....

That has to be at least an underlying reason why New Yawk published how to properly do heroin.  Not coke, not crack, not pot, not even meth.  The one drug most like playing russian roulette with a needle - even when administered properly - and the New Yawk gub'mint is ENCOURAGING it's dregs of humanity to do it right.  One wonders if they're trying to relieve their government services of "the surplus population"?

[jukin]

That right there is why medicare/caid is going broke. Also why private insurance is high due to subsidizing the medicare/caid in huge hospital/doctor bills.

[delilahmused]

Perhaps we should pool our money and buy them each a box of razor blades and a bottle of sleeping pills. No more pain. Nothing to bitch about.

Cindie

[franksolich]

Perhaps we should pool our money and buy them each a box of razor blades and a bottle of sleeping pills. No more pain. Nothing to bitch about.

This goes back to my theory of Erysichthonism; the insatiable appetite to consume, to consume all until nothing is left, and one consumes oneself.

It doesn't apply only to the gigantic primitive and his fatness.

The squawking primitive, among other primitives too numerous to mention, seems to have been from birth obsessed with this idea of consuming the time, strength, and resources of others, beginning with her devoted mother, and currently with the national treasury.

Consume, eat up, exhaust, deplete.

[Duchess]

Damn, I wonder if you're on to something....

That has to be at least an underlying reason why New Yawk published how to properly do heroin.  Not coke, not crack, not pot, not even meth.  The one drug most like playing russian roulette with a needle - even when administered properly - and the New Yawk gub'mint is ENCOURAGING it's dregs of humanity to do it right.  One wonders if they're trying to relieve their government services of "the surplus population"?

I don't doubt it. It's strange that the left is more susceptible to cheap-life tactics than the right--drugs, abortion, euthanasia, mental problems, suicide.  The only taking of life we support is capitol punishment, and that's to punish for the taking of innocent life.

Of course these losers don't like it when they can't steal enough from the taxpayers to make life easy for their worthless hides.

[Duchess]

Damn, I wonder if you're on to something....

That has to be at least an underlying reason why New Yawk published how to properly do heroin.  Not coke, not crack, not pot, not even meth.  The one drug most like playing russian roulette with a needle - even when administered properly - and the New Yawk gub'mint is ENCOURAGING it's dregs of humanity to do it right.  One wonders if they're trying to relieve their government services of "the surplus population"?

Oh yeah, and the encouragement of the lefty leaders of the fag and other sociopathic lifestyles, condom optional.

[JohnnyReb]

DUmmie says, "The only thing I've done to help the situation was send some money to DFA recently. Laughable."

A DUmmie and "your tax dollar" are soon parted. ....and it is in deed, laughable.

[BEG]

How do you get "lower than low"?

If the state laid off her psychiatrist and psychologist, why in the world would she want MORE government involvement in healthcare?  The same crap is going to happen but on a larger scale.  California is the largest economy in the US and the 8th largest in the world yet it is bankrupt.  California has been run into the ground because of democrats and now the country is being run into the ground by democrats.  They totally forget that the dems have controlled the purse strings since the mid-term elections of 2006.  Yes Republican's blew money too but the democrats take it to a "ho nuva levo".  Why don't these idiots realize this?   

For those of you who don't know what I am referring to when I said "take it to a ho nuva levo"....watch this mad tv skit.  This is my favorite one.

[youtube=425,350]RkJhsQZk3U8[/youtube]

[Tucker]

How do you get "lower than low"?

If the state laid off her psychiatrist and psychologist, why in the world would she want MORE government involvement in healthcare? 

That's the million dollar question. I bet it would go right over their head. Who has a mole to waste?

[Chris]

Ladyhawk  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)
Wed Jan-06-10 06:19 PM
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So, what are WE going to do for those who can't afford health care?

Isn't that what this whole sorry spectacle was supposed to fix?  Go ask the dumbass in the Oval Office, you moron.

Her depression is only treatment-resistant in the sense that she refuses to find and follow through with said treatment.

[AllosaursRus]

Isn't that what this whole sorry spectacle was supposed to fix?  Go ask the dumbass in the Oval Office, you moron.

Her depression is only treatment-resistant in the sense that she refuses to find and follow through with said treatment.

If you really think about it, "depression" is nothing more than a hoax like global warming! Sure, there are actually folks who need help, but how many of these low-lifes are milkin' it for a gubmint check?

I totally refuse to believe that 6 in 10 DUmmies, (a conservative estimate), have depression the likes of that have never ever before been seen since we fell outa the trees!

[The Village Idiot]

LadyHawk is melting down. I feel a magnum opus coming.

[JohnnyReb]

If you really think about it, "depression" is nothing more than a hoax like global warming! Sure, there are actually folks who need help, but how many of these low-lifes are milkin' it for a gubmint check?

I totally refuse to believe that 6 in 10 DUmmies, (a conservative estimate), have depression the likes of that have never ever before been seen since we fell outa the trees!

Yeah...well...some of us landed on our feet...others on their head....

[vlad335]

If the state laid off her psychiatrist and psychologist, why in the world would she want MORE government involvement in healthcare?  The same crap is going to happen but on a larger scale. 

That's easy. The republicans are responsible. No matter to which degree the dems control the government and how much they drive it into the ground, the evil repugs are always at work. Ceaselessly destroying all the valiant work the left is trying to do. Normal people in possession of critical thinking skills can easy see through this but not a committed lefty. They desperately want to believe and their leaders ablige them with laying blame on their opponents every chance they get.

[dandi]

This goes back to my theory of Erysichthonism; the insatiable appetite to consume, to consume all until nothing is left, and one consumes oneself.

It doesn't apply only to the gigantic primitive and his fatness.

The squawking primitive, among other primitives too numerous to mention, seems to have been from birth obsessed with this idea of consuming the time, strength, and resources of others, beginning with her devoted mother, and currently with the national treasury.

Consume, eat up, exhaust, deplete.

There is another word for that, Frank.  It's called cancer.