dangerous primitive argues with maternal ancestress about God

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Oh my.

Dangerman (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-03-10 04:22 PM
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My mom and I argued again about God.

Just right now, when my mom ask me do I believed in God, I can't answer, then she went nuts saying "If you lose your faith in God, you lose faith in me." Then she got angry and pissed on me. And it's a one-sided argument.

I longer longer when the bible because of 9/11 and the Iraq War and the Christian bullshit about George W. Bush saying "God told me to invade Iraq", not to mention our troops using the Muslim Koran as toilet paper in Iraq, that's when I quit reading the bible, not going to church anymore and became a semi-atheist. And I thought to myself "why is God is on the side of Bush and his cronies?"

My mom is a deeply religious person and this hurts her deeply. She also believes that Muslims are hate-filled fanatics. If I tell her the truth, we're gonna start another argument.

I don't believe in God anymore because if he does exist, he respects all good religions including Muslim.

She believes that God provided the family with food and housing and she wants me to pray to him everyday. She also thinks I "worship" the computer and TV these days. This is a little confusing.

I have no one to talk to, not even my family who will give me the same answer as my mom.

The dangerous primitive's one of these "atheists" who's an "atheist" simply because he doesn't want to get out of bed on Sunday mornings and go to church.

There's lots like that.

ret5hd  (1000+ posts)        Sun Jan-03-10 04:26 PM
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1. I looked at your profile and did not see how old you are, but assuming you are over 25 or so...and not living at home, just blow it off.

"yeah, back at ya, mom." Peck on cheek. "see you tomorrow."

Dangerman (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-03-10 04:27 PM
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2. I'm 36...

But I live in my parents' home.

Uh oh.

shraby  (1000+ posts)        Sun Jan-03-10 04:28 PM
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3. This makes no sense..

"If you lose your faith in God, you lose faith in me"

Is she equating herself with God?

Point out to her Muslims who are upstanding members of our country..Muhammed Ali (Casius Clay), Abdul Jabar to name a couple. If you google I'm sure you can find more.
Also religion should be a personal thing, not something you wear on your sleeves for all to see.

Maybe Bush and cronies don't have God on their side..could be another entity???

Deep13  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-03-10 04:32 PM
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9. Plus the fact that if she had been born in Iran...

...she would be just as convinced that Islam was right and Christianity wrong.

Schema Thing  (1000+ posts)        Sun Jan-03-10 04:28 PM
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4. I went from fundamentalist to non-believer 
 
You sound angry at God frankly, which I can understand.

The nice thing about actual atheism is that, if that is where your intellect (not your emotions) leads you, then you won't find yourself angry at god or gods ever again, because you simply won't believe that they exist.

Deep13  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-03-10 04:33 PM
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11. I think she sounds exasperated with her relatives.

Obamanaut  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-03-10 04:29 PM
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5. If a god really existed, and I don't believe there is one supreme being,

I'm sure with all that power he or she could survive an argument between you and your mom.

Warpy  (1000+ posts)        Sun Jan-03-10 04:29 PM
THE DEFROCKED WARPED PRIMITIVE
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6. It's not you, it's them and you're going to have to figure out a way to avoid the subject completely if you want to keep your family.

Most of us hide out in that "I'm just not religious" self imposed ghetto when dealing with hyper religious family members. It offers them just enough doubt that you're really a closet believer who just had a fight with a preacher or something and learned to dislike going to church to be able to cope with you on other subjects.

All of us are flawed creatures and all of us have some pretty major flaws. You've just discovered your mother's major flaw: intolerance. If you look at the whole person, you might find she is much more than just that flaw and decide to keep her.

You're never going to be able to come out of that "not religious" closet to her, though.

LARED (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-03-10 04:29 PM
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7. Are you sure the second to last sentence in your first paragraph is correct?

Deep13  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-03-10 04:30 PM
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8. "If you lose your faith in God, you lose faith in me."

That's a strange thing to say. There's no doubt that your mother exists. Any reason to have faith in god has been a long time coming. It is completely irrational to be offended because you have a different opinion about god than she does, but that is the nature of religious thinking.

Laura902 (57 posts)        Sun Jan-03-10 04:32 PM
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10. Aw I'm sorry...

...........there isn't a god and the universe was not designed, after losing faith i find doing more pro-active things like starting fundraisers for non-profits i believe in and making the world a better place to be more fulfilling- not doing it for the imaginary man in the sky but for others-that's just me though.

If i was you i would read lots of scientific literature that lay-people can understand (if you are not in that field, i wouldn't know)and just be able to form a better non-delusional argument-but once again that is just me. Life is better away from the restraint of religion and the close-mindedness it causes. Live to the fullest and don't let anyone get in the way of that!

Cleita  (1000+ posts)        Sun Jan-03-10 04:35 PM
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12. Error of logic in your mom's reasoning. Your faith in her has nothing to do with your faith in God. You can't argue with someone who comes from an irrational position. I would just tell her that you love her and there is no reason to continue this discussion. I don't know her temperament, but when my mother and I disagreed and I refused to argue with her, she threw a temper tantrum, which I also ignored and that ended that. You need to make some friends that you can talk to even a teacher you can trust.

Fumesucker  (1000+ posts)        Sun Jan-03-10 04:36 PM
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13. A Biblical, omnipotent, omniscient god precludes the existence of free will, IMO..

It's like an utterly perfect billiards player, they will run the table every time. The same thing with a perfect god, everything is *exactly* as they meant it to be.

Omniscience means that everything you or anyone else will ever do is already known, how can there be free will in such a situation?

As an atheist I'm really surprised at how often religious people conclude that I'm very "spiritual", I guess it's because I'm interested in the answers to the "big questions"..

[GOBUCKS]

Dangerman (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-03-10 04:27 PM
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2. I'm 36...

But I live in my parents' home.

'Nuff said. Typical DUmmy.

[Carl]

I don't believe in God anymore because if he does exist, he respects all good religions including Muslim.

That is just plain stupid but what would one expect of a man deluding himself.

Fumesucker  (1000+ posts)        Sun Jan-03-10 04:36 PM
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13. A Biblical, omnipotent, omniscient god precludes the existence of free will, IMO..

It's like an utterly perfect billiards player, they will run the table every time. The same thing with a perfect god, everything is *exactly* as they meant it to be.

Omniscience means that everything you or anyone else will ever do is already known, how can there be free will in such a situation?

As an atheist I'm really surprised at how often religious people conclude that I'm very "spiritual", I guess it's because I'm interested in the answers to the "big questions"..

Completely wrong and not even remotely logical...knowing that a person will make a certain decision in no way inhibits that person from doing so.

[The Village Idiot]

I don't see how people who do not believe in God care to argue about it.

[thundley4]

I don't see how people who do not believe in God care to argue about it.

I think those that argue the most are trying to convince themselves.  They fear the unknown.

[franksolich]

'Nuff said. Typical DUmmy.

That's where I hit a speed bump.

I was going to stop there, but then decided no, I'd go ahead and quote the whole campfire.

[JohnnyReb]

I guess it's because I'm interested in the answers to the "big questions"..
....sure you are.

Questions like: Why are some bags of pot better than other bags? Why do some turds float and others sink? Why do I have to work? ....and the big one. Why does everyone think I'm stupid/lazy/crazy?

[Chris_]

Fumesucker  (1000+ posts)        Sun Jan-03-10 04:36 PM
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13. A Biblical, omnipotent, omniscient god precludes the existence of free will, IMO..

It's like an utterly perfect billiards player, they will run the table every time. The same thing with a perfect god, everything is *exactly* as they meant it to be.

Omniscience means that everything you or anyone else will ever do is already known, how can there be free will in such a situation?

As an atheist I'm really surprised at how often religious people conclude that I'm very "spiritual", I guess it's because I'm interested in the answers to the "big questions"..

I know that a DUmmie is going to be stupid especially when it comes to Christianity. It's already known. Does that mean that you do not have free will?