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Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« on: December 23, 2009, 11:49:14 AM »
The White House privately anticipates health care talks to slip into February — past President Barack Obama’s first State of the Union address — and then plans to make a “very hard pivot” to a new jobs bill, according to senior administration officials.

Obama has been told that disputes over abortion and the tight schedule are highly likely to delay a final deal, a blow to the president, who had hoped to trumpet a health care victory in his big speech to the nation. But he has also been told that House Democratic leaders seem inclined, at least for now, to largely accept the compromise worked out in the Senate, virtually ensuring he will eventually get a deal.

Internally, White House aides are plunging into a 2010 plan calling for an early focus on creating jobs, especially in the energy sector, along with starting a conversation about deficit reduction measures, the administration officials said. ... http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30925.html
Also check out the commentary at HotAir. Obamacare may yet die?




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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2009, 12:01:42 PM »
Energy jobs--this oughta be good.
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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2009, 12:16:14 PM »
Energy jobs--this oughta be good.

From the same assholes who promised they were gonna close down the entire coal industry.  I'm curious how much energy you can generate from dissidents on treadmills in FEMA gulags, or the burned bodies of "untermenchen" (Christians, Republicans, and the like).
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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2009, 12:19:51 PM »
Energy jobs--this oughta be good.
I hear the hamster suit and giant wheel stocks are going to skyrocket soon...

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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2009, 12:21:42 PM »
It will be more subsidized,make work crap funneling money into certain states as payoffs.
They will likely be required to give non productive "jobs" to union ranks.

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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2009, 12:56:29 PM »
It will be more subsidized,make work crap funneling money into certain states as payoffs.
They will likely be required to give non productive "jobs" to union ranks.
Jobs, flobs- it will be another fiasco.
His healthcare is deadmeat just like he is-- same smell    :loser:
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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2009, 01:48:58 PM »
Jobs, flobs- it will be another fiasco.
His healthcare is deadmeat just like he is-- same smell    :loser:

Yeah, shit.

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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2009, 01:49:26 PM »
It will be more subsidized,make work crap funneling money into certain states as payoffs.
They will likely be required to give non productive "jobs" to union ranks.

Well, considering he's already paid off the SEIU, UAW, and Teamsters, this is another payoff to the IBEW and other "energy" unions.
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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2009, 01:50:32 PM »
Meanwhile, we already flipped one Representative; let's see how many more we can flip, starting now.  That means ramping up the telephone calls, the letters, the faxes, the emails, the personal visits, the Tea Party demonstrations, townhalls, whatever it takes to make it clear to every member of the Democrat party that the only correct side of history is the right side, our side.

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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2009, 01:52:15 PM »
Meanwhile, we already flipped one Representative; let's see how many more we can flip, starting now.  That means ramping up the telephone calls, the letters, the faxes, the emails, the personal visits, the Tea Party demonstrations, townhalls, whatever it takes to make it clear to every member of the Democrat party that the only correct side of history is the right side, our side.

No... we did NOT flip anyone. Changing the three letters after your name does not make you a conservative... He's still a lib.

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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2009, 02:17:09 PM »
No... we did NOT flip anyone. Changing the three letters after your name does not make you a conservative... He's still a lib.

No, he's not. 

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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2009, 03:09:26 PM »
I don't think he's a lib, either.  I saw an interview with him today.  He seems sincere in being repelled by the hard left turn the D's have taken. 

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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2009, 03:30:16 PM »
The closer this gets to the 2010 elections the farther these bills will be from ever becoming reality.  We win on 2 counts.  I'm kinda liking this.

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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2009, 04:27:00 PM »
No, he's not. 

You're honestly going to tell me that a life-long (or however long) Dem who suddently decides to switch sides is NOT a lib based on a small handful of votes?

Why was he a dem in the first place?

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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2009, 04:50:10 PM »
Energy jobs--this oughta be good.

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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2009, 05:30:39 PM »
The first one worked so well.

ha

Another trillion in monopoly money coming right up! up ours....

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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2009, 05:35:54 PM »
The first one worked so well.

ha

Another trillion in monopoly money coming right up! up ours....



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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2009, 07:28:02 PM »
The first one worked so well.

ha

Another trillion in monopoly money coming right up! up ours....

unfortunately, they all worship at the alter of Keynes.

A tax bill could be written in one paragrap: the new corporate tax rate is now 10% with the capital gains tax rates being adjusted to 10% as well. Permanently. Healthcare will now be duductable to the employee rather than the employer and FICA taxes will be cut from ~15% to 5%.

Done.
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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2009, 07:37:25 PM »
Yeah, shit.
I double that dear sir as long as you mean at the next presidential election. The man has done nothing and I use the term man lightly for I was taught by father that a man is only as good as his word and this elected official is nothing more than a liar so what kind of man is that. Not a man by any definition I know of. :bow:
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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2009, 07:39:56 PM »
unfortunately, they all worship at the alter of Keynes.

A tax bill could be written in one paragrap: the new corporate tax rate is now 10% with the capital gains tax rates being adjusted to 10% as well. Permanently. Healthcare will now be duductable to the employee rather than the employer and FICA taxes will be cut from ~15% to 5%.

Done.


Ok, and what does the tax apply to?

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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2009, 07:43:45 PM »
Ok, and what does the tax apply to?

should have said "corp income tax." oops. Hey - it's a draft!  :lmao:

The only way to get people to invest in this country again is if it's more profitable to invest here than overseas. Right now, it's not.

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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2009, 12:26:21 AM »
why have a corp income tax rate above 0%?  any taxes the corps pay come in the form of "embedded taxes" the consumers pay in the form of higher prices.

here's my proposal, although i would still prefer the fairtax, but within the system we have now, here it is.

corp income tax:0%
personal income tax: 0-36k: 1%, graduated in 4 brackets up to a top bracket of 15%.  no marriage, death, or other hidden penalty.  no withholding from paychecks, all taxes must be paid in one lump sum the friday before election day.

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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2009, 12:33:11 AM »
why have a corp income tax rate above 0%?  any taxes the corps pay come in the form of "embedded taxes" the consumers pay in the form of higher prices.

Since SCOTUS allotted the (or some of) rights of the individual to the corporation. Therefore it makes a certain amount of sense to tax them as such. Drop taxes alltogether (which, BTW, I AM in favor of doing), then we must treat all corporations as we (are supposed to) treat non-profits today: no political interaction/posturing/etc.

Does that though make sense? I'm still kind of workign through it.

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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2009, 12:42:46 AM »
Since SCOTUS allotted the (or some of) rights of the individual to the corporation. Therefore it makes a certain amount of sense to tax them as such. Drop taxes alltogether (which, BTW, I AM in favor of doing), then we must treat all corporations as we (are supposed to) treat non-profits today: no political interaction/posturing/etc.

Does that though make sense? I'm still kind of workign through it.

Not really.  That's sort of mixing apples and oranges.  Notwithstanding that a corporation has certain "rights" just like individuals do, a corporation does not bear the economic burden of any taxes that are nominally imposed upon it; those taxes are borne by either (a) the corporation's business counterparties (e.g., the vendors it buys from or the buyers it sells to), (b) the corporation's employees and managers, or (c) the corporation's equity owners.  This occurs, of course, because a corporation, being intangible, and not alive, does not consume wealth, it is merely a device for the aggregation and consumption of wealth by groups of individuals.  As such, there is a certain theoretical propinquity in taxing the individuals who do the ultimate consuming, and not the corporation, which is, after all, a mere intermediary.

On the other hand, there are arguments to be made that the corporation should continue to nominally bear a tax precisely because that tax tends to get passed along to those who ultimately enjoy the fruits of the corporation's "labors" in much the same way that a withholding agent (e.g., everyone's employer) is nominally subjected to a tax that is ultimately supposed to be borne economically by the employees, not the employer.  Others have argued that imposing a tax on corporations is a useful tool for controlling corporate management (I can't remember the argument in any detail to summarize it here, but I'll find a cite to the paper and its author if anyone's really interested).

Of course, the fly in that ointment is that taxing the corporation in that manner - treating it as some sort of withholding or pass-through agent - doesn't really work well because there is no way to say with any great degree of confidence prospectively who, precisely, will end up bearing the economic burden of a tax imposed on the corporation - for all we know, the corporate tax could end up being economically borne by its rank-and-file employees, most of whom would otherwise be taxed at a marginal rate far below that of the current corporate income tax rate.

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Re: Obama plans for health care delay, new jobs bill
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2009, 11:48:41 AM »
The only fairtax is a flat tax without all the crap around it. The "prebate" is the most retarded thing I ever hear.

Fairtax is still progressive, those who pay nothing still get "refunds" blah blah .... pointless to switch to that, IMO.

But thats off topic.

0% taxes for everybody is a better idea, or at least as low as possible.

Cut the spending.