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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #75 on: December 28, 2009, 01:01:40 PM »
I'm overweight myself, so I know a little bit about how it feels. It really is hard to lose weight, I doubt I have lost any this year. The tres leches cake in the fridge isn't going to eat itself. So while I might poke fun, or excoriate his politics, I actually do want him to lose the weight and get healthier. My problems are not exterior ulcers or those other problems mine are actually unrelated to my extra weight. I can get up and walk a mile without a problem, but I'm usually too lazy.

Well, thats why I'm overweight I guess. I am 6'2" and around 300. So when I stand up I am big but I don't have the folds or rolls or anything. I guess I can thank God for that too, because I hear those can actually get infected because they are hard to clean (?).

I think most of the roommate stuff was in jest anyway.

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« Reply #76 on: December 28, 2009, 01:09:32 PM »
Why do I have a feeling that the posts by "Jeanette" is just a Systematic Chaos sock puppet. :uhsure:

She doesn't have that much free time during the day.

Nah, I don't think Kirk can write like that. The style is different and the content is lightyears apart.

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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #77 on: December 28, 2009, 01:12:22 PM »
The reason I mentioned sock puppet is because lardass hides the fact that he is on the computer all day. Why would he show her something about himself from another site where he admits to playing games while she is at work. If she had half a brain, she would question his activities all day. Lardass is not going to jeopardize that.

I say again. It's not her.

OK. That is an interesting point. Although I still doubt Kirk himself would be able to restrain himself this much. Maybe he got Joe to write it? lol.

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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #78 on: December 28, 2009, 01:13:48 PM »
Some of us are willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.  I am, simply because if you were actually your husband, your posts would have been spewing hatred and profanity towards the people here.

That is true. That is why I think its not Kirk posting this. He could not restrain himself from calling out some of the more snide comments.

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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #79 on: December 28, 2009, 01:22:42 PM »
The only two people who can write so interminably, so endlessly, so boringly, are Pitt, and the blubber blob. Jeanette is tied up in the boiler room,  scamming old ladies by telephone to take a new credit card, or sign up for cell phone service, or buy some identity protection. She has no time for internet forums. When you're toiling away at $10/hr. to support two freeloaders, one of whom demands 20,000 calories per day to maintain his three-digit BMI, there can't be much energy left over for anything else. The blubber blob is posting here, trying to persuade you that he's the wifelet. The chance this poster is Jeanette the addled slave girl is zero.

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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #80 on: December 28, 2009, 01:39:40 PM »
The only two people who can write so interminably, so endlessly, so boringly, are Pitt, and the blubber blob. Jeanette is tied up in the boiler room,  scamming old ladies by telephone to take a new credit card, or sign up for cell phone service, or buy some identity protection. She has no time for internet forums. When you're toiling away at $10/hr. to support two freeloaders, one of whom demands 20,000 calories per day to maintain his three-digit BMI, there can't be much energy left over for anything else. The blubber blob is posting here, trying to persuade you that he's the wifelet. The chance this poster is Jeanette the addled slave girl is zero.

I dunno. Seems to me such a polar opposite to Godzilla, I just can't wrap my mind around him being able to "charm" us with this kind of cover story. The posts really are close to what I would expect from a poor soul in her predicament. You know like telling us she is happy, doesn't mind taking care of the "bloated one", still loves him, etc, etc..... How else could she explain her existence and feel good about it?
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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #81 on: December 28, 2009, 02:02:22 PM »
Just my .02 worth - the cough he has may be from GERD (gastroesphageal reflux disease) or LPR (laryngopharyngeal reflux), especially if he coughs soon after he eats. 

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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #82 on: December 28, 2009, 02:09:16 PM »
I'm overweight myself, so I know a little bit about how it feels. It really is hard to lose weight, I doubt I have lost any this year. The tres leches cake in the fridge isn't going to eat itself. So while I might poke fun, or excoriate his politics, I actually do want him to lose the weight and get healthier. My problems are not exterior ulcers or those other problems mine are actually unrelated to my extra weight. I can get up and walk a mile without a problem, but I'm usually too lazy.

Well, thats why I'm overweight I guess. I am 6'2" and around 300. So when I stand up I am big but I don't have the folds or rolls or anything. I guess I can thank God for that too, because I hear those can actually get infected because they are hard to clean (?).

I think most of the roommate stuff was in jest anyway.

It is refreshing to see that someone can say that losing weight can be very difficult. I myself have a weight problem as well, altho 150 lbs is nowhere as bad as his 400+ lbs. I used to have such a problem fluctuating between 250 and 180, never getting below 175, but recently that has changed. With him, he does have problems with even simple excercise, such as walking for any length of time. Admitted, if he had a better center of gravity to provide more stability, then he could probably walk more without protective footwear. With his bowed legs, a genetic problem unrelated to weight, it's difficult for him to comfortably walk like many people. Our apartment is small, altho fairly large for the location and style, but it doesn't leave him with alot of floorspace to walk on. He can't go outside without shoes, and it's difficult for me to get his shoes on him, impossible for him to do so without my help. Our kitchen is a nightmare for  him, because it's vinyl flooring, and with the tubigrip and no footwear, it's far too slippery for him to walk on without tremendous fear of falling. And if he falls, he's definitely going to damage his shoulders more, and potentially end up in the hospital.

People appear to have this mindset that, just because he's fat, it must mean he wants to stay fat. It kinda sounds to me that everyone thinks he's making excuses just to justify staying in his current situation, which doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me. But, if you want to believe that someone likes being in pain, unable to be independant, then I guess there's nothing I can say to change your mind. Hopefully he will be able to start losing more weight, we are always hopeful. Again, the cats are demanding attention, so I'm going to leave it at this point for now.
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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #83 on: December 28, 2009, 02:21:13 PM »
It is refreshing to see that someone can say that losing weight can be very difficult. I myself have a weight problem as well, altho 150 lbs is nowhere as bad as his 400+ lbs. I used to have such a problem fluctuating between 250 and 180, never getting below 175, but recently that has changed. With him, he does have problems with even simple excercise, such as walking for any length of time. Admitted, if he had a better center of gravity to provide more stability, then he could probably walk more without protective footwear. With his bowed legs, a genetic problem unrelated to weight, it's difficult for him to comfortably walk like many people. Our apartment is small, altho fairly large for the location and style, but it doesn't leave him with alot of floorspace to walk on. He can't go outside without shoes, and it's difficult for me to get his shoes on him, impossible for him to do so without my help. Our kitchen is a nightmare for  him, because it's vinyl flooring, and with the tubigrip and no footwear, it's far too slippery for him to walk on without tremendous fear of falling. And if he falls, he's definitely going to damage his shoulders more, and potentially end up in the hospital.

People appear to have this mindset that, just because he's fat, it must mean he wants to stay fat. It kinda sounds to me that everyone thinks he's making excuses just to justify staying in his current situation, which doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me. But, if you want to believe that someone likes being in pain, unable to be independant, then I guess there's nothing I can say to change your mind. Hopefully he will be able to start losing more weight, we are always hopeful. Again, the cats are demanding attention, so I'm going to leave it at this point for now.

Has he started to do a food log so to know pretty accuaretly what his caloric intake is?
The other thing that seems to be a given on many diet plans is a very large volume of water drank daily.
No offense intended to you and understand the friend thing but why can`t Joe help him get shoes on.
He seems to benefit from your good will so think it wouldn`t be a lot to ask.
I will confess that when Kirk wrote that he was waiting for you to get home from work to do dishes so that you could then cook Thanksgiving dinner it did make my blood boil...can`t help it but it did.
If he could participate in those house hold activities not only would it give him some exercise but also some esteem.

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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #84 on: December 28, 2009, 02:22:16 PM »
It is refreshing to see that someone can say that losing weight can be very difficult.

People appear to have this mindset that, just because he's fat, it must mean he wants to stay fat. It kinda sounds to me that everyone thinks he's making excuses just to justify staying in his current situation, which doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me.

Those people do exist. Like the women who stay with abusive men or something. There are people, and this is probably a mental thing, who need "a thing" to blame their problems on or to have their life revolve around. I am not saying it is this with you guys of course. I find that when ever someone uses the term "everyone" does this or "all people" do that, its actually never true. Not everyone breathes on their own. There are people allergic to the sunlight and some to water.

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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #85 on: December 28, 2009, 02:28:57 PM »
Why do I have a feeling that the posts by "Jeanette" is just a Systematic Chaos sock puppet. :uhsure:

She doesn't have that much free time during the day.

He wouldn't do that, would he? Pretend to be his wife posting on a board, right after he warned us that he's keeping an eye on us now? It's perfectly natural that Jeanette would show up herself to respond to us, when LVL (excellent new name) is the subject material. I can't imagine him thinking he could pull one over on us and pretend Jeanette is enormously happy.

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« Reply #86 on: December 28, 2009, 02:53:44 PM »
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People appear to have this mindset that, just because he's fat, it must mean he wants to stay fat. It kinda sounds to me that everyone thinks he's making excuses just to justify staying in his current situation, which doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me. But, if you want to believe that someone likes being in pain, unable to be independant, then I guess there's nothing I can say to change your mind. Hopefully he will be able to start losing more weight, we are always hopeful. Again, the cats are demanding attention, so I'm going to leave it at this point for now.

No ma'am.  I don't think he wants to stay fat anymore than my wife wanted to stay fat.  She absolutely HATED being fat but until she finally made the decision to lose the weight ... she was what she was.  What she was was a beautiful overweight woman who badly needed to lose the weight.

Kirk doesn't WANT to be fat ..... he just isn't ready to lose the weight.  He MIGHT be the 1% who actually has a medical issue keeping him from losing it but I'll bet he isn't.

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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #87 on: December 28, 2009, 02:58:44 PM »
Kirk doesn't WANT to be fat ..... he just isn't ready to lose the weight. 

That probably applies to me too. I guess I need the motivation.

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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #88 on: December 28, 2009, 03:21:21 PM »
I dunno. Seems to me such a polar opposite to Godzilla, I just can't wrap my mind around him being able to "charm" us with this kind of cover story. The posts really are close to what I would expect from a poor soul in her predicament. You know like telling us she is happy, doesn't mind taking care of the "bloated one", still loves him, etc, etc..... How else could she explain her existence and feel good about it?

Read his postings on the McDougalls site. He's civil. He has that ability in him.
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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #89 on: December 28, 2009, 03:23:43 PM »
Has he started to do a food log so to know pretty accuaretly what his caloric intake is?
The other thing that seems to be a given on many diet plans is a very large volume of water drank daily.
No offense intended to you and understand the friend thing but why can`t Joe help him get shoes on.
He seems to benefit from your good will so think it wouldn`t be a lot to ask.
I will confess that when Kirk wrote that he was waiting for you to get home from work to do dishes so that you could then cook Thanksgiving dinner it did make my blood boil...can`t help it but it did.
If he could participate in those house hold activities not only would it give him some exercise but also some esteem.


Joe is also overweight and very reclusive. Many times, we don't see him for days, or we see him late at night. He's almost as heavy as Kirk, and wouldn't find it easy to help putting shoes on Kirk. Gotta remember, the shoes are hard for ME to put on Kirk, much less anyone else here. I'm the most agile and able bodied person in the house, and I have alot of difficulty with helping him, so I can't imagine that Joe would be able physically capable of helping Kirk put on shoes. I recently bought socks for up to size 16, and they wouldn't fit Kirk, even tho they are just socks. Can you imagine trying to fit size 15 shoes on him? It's really nearly impossible. And it's not like Kirk can go to the doctor anytime he wants.

With Joe, I really do wish that he would take advantage of being a veteran more. He's been able to get free health care and medical supplies sent to him, including a daily visit from a home health nurse for several months. He gets depressed, so he tends to eat and get more reclusive, cycling into a bad circle of depression, eating, staying more and more alone. He's gay as well, and not attracted to Kirk, and doesn't go out except with a female friend of his, once or twice a month. This means that he doesn't have alot of people to help keep him active or in a good mood, so there are times when we simply don't see him, like I said, for days, even a week or longer on a rare occasion. Kirk gets frustrated with Joe, because Joe is able to go outside, and he doesn't have to pay for any medical attention, which is not the case for Kirk.

Now, mind you, Joe is very generous with the medical supplies he receives, and he's helped us out plenty when a little cash helps us out. And if I ask him to do something, he generally does it, for a little while at least.

Now, as for a food journal, I can tell you exactly what he's had yesterday. He had two bags of Fresh and Easy herb salad, with approximately 1/4 cup of his salad dressing. I also made him a bowl of pasta with the tomato sauce I made, and a bowl of brown rice, again, with the tomato sauce I made. The tomato sauce had diced canned tomatoes with basil, oregano, garlic, onion, green, yellow, red, and orange bell pepper, and parsley. Most of the canned diced tomato was processed in a food processor so that it was more liquid. He also had some generic Crystal Light type peach tea, Arizona branded pomegranate tea, and a few cans of diet black cherry soda. And please, tell me that is, I think someone said he has to have been eating 10,000+ calories a day to prevent weight loss? The day before, he had almost exactly the same thing, but more rice than pasta, and he had a two liter of a generic diet soda, along with some tea again.

Please keep in mind, we don't have sweets in the house, except what Joe has, and I know how much there is of that stuff. I'm the one that knows where almost everything is, and prepares everything for Kirk. I'm figuring that we will likely have some veggie Subway sandwiches, which are lettuce, tomato, onion, mustard, pepper and oregano, and vinegar, on the whole wheat bun, two footlongs last a day for him. Oh, he also has olives (the only fatty item), and jalapenos and banana peppers on the side. The subs don't include any fat, and there is no cheese on them. Total calories can't be more than maybe 1,000 calories, you can even check with website to see what it's likely to be. Keep in mind, the subs listed on the website include cheese, which I decline when ordering. Tomorrow I'll probably pick up some refried canned beans, and make burritos with some tofu burger crumbles, which do contain some fat. That's pretty much the only fat that Kirk gets, is from the natural fat that already comes with his food (burger crumbles and tofu burgers are primary source), but we don't have that kind of stuff very often. Maybe once a week on average, if that.
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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #90 on: December 28, 2009, 03:35:07 PM »
Do either of "you" have a job?
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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #91 on: December 28, 2009, 03:46:34 PM »
I googled it Jeanette and while not definite is worth a look.
That much diet soda may not be good.

http://www.fitsugar.com/97904

http://www.drug3k.com/forum/Other-Health/Can-diet-soda-make-you-fat-5621.htm

Just something to look at.

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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #92 on: December 28, 2009, 03:56:13 PM »
Jeanette, I beg of you.  Please drastically reduce this amount of pasta, potatoes, and brown rice.  I know it's cheap, but it's just going to sit on him, vegetarian or not.  Please add in tuna, baked chicken breast, even lean beef.  It's a much more satisfying meal and the protein is so much better for him.  Those simple carbs wreck havoc on a diabetic.  I have blood sugar issues myself and cannot eat a bagel without feeling "weird." 

Take a chicken breast, cut it into bite size pieces.  Sautee in your no-stick spray.  Add in your tomato sauce and let simmer.  Now, serve that over half the pasta Kirk used to get.  Sprinkle on some parmesan, serve a side salad.  Dinner can be delicious again, and that's good for the soul. 

(I know what I'm talking about, I removed 50 lbs. off my husband cooking this way). 

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« Reply #93 on: December 28, 2009, 04:03:14 PM »

Now, as for a food journal, I can tell you exactly what he's had yesterday.

He had two bags of Fresh and Easy herb salad,

with approximately 1/4 cup of his salad dressing.

a bowl of pasta with the tomato sauce I made, and

a bowl of brown rice, again, with the tomato sauce I made. 

He also had some generic Crystal Light type peach tea,

Arizona branded pomegranate tea, and

a few cans of diet black cherry soda.

The day before, he had almost exactly the same thing, but more rice than pasta, and he had a two liter of a generic diet soda, along with some tea again.

I'm figuring that we will likely have some veggie Subway sandwiches, which are lettuce, tomato, onion, mustard, pepper and oregano, and vinegar, on the whole wheat bun, two footlongs last a day for him. Oh, he also has olives (the only fatty item), and jalapenos and banana peppers on the side. The subs don't include any fat, and there is no cheese on them. Total calories can't be more than maybe 1,000 calories, you can even check with website to see what it's likely to be. Keep in mind, the subs listed on the website include cheese, which I decline when ordering. Tomorrow I'll probably pick up some refried canned beans, and make burritos with some tofu burger crumbles, which do contain some fat. That's pretty much the only fat that Kirk gets, is from the natural fat that already comes with his food (burger crumbles and tofu burgers are primary source), but we don't have that kind of stuff very often. Maybe once a week on average, if that.

Jeanette.  No, he only has to have about 4,000 calories a day to keep his weight on.

I have deleted a whole bunch of what you posted and left in what I felt you should be looking at.  If you don't think that is a LOT of food for a human to eat in a day .... there is the problem.  If I ate ONE footlong subway sandwich I wouldn't be able to eat the rest of the day yet you see no problem with Kirk eating two..... 

I think what y'all need to realize is that while what he is eating may be low in calories if you eat a LOT of it those calories build up.  Not to mention you are not conditioning yourself to eat 'normal portions'.  That is the problem.

Think about what you have typed ..... does it really seem normal?

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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #94 on: December 28, 2009, 04:03:41 PM »
Do either of "you" have a job?

Other than a 2 month period on unemployment because my work site didn't have any openings, I've worked in Las vegas since 2003, when I moved here. I had a 2 week period without a job prior to that, but otherwise, I've been working since I met my husband. Now, I haven't always worked full-time, so there were times when I didn't bring in a full 40 hour a week paycheck, but I did go for a year with supporting myself, Joe, and Kirk on just my $1400 a month take home pay, with absolutely no additional income because we were waiting for disability to be approved. We didn't qualify for food stamps or other assistance because I made too much, but I had to cover medical expenses, as well as rent, utilities, and transportation, oh, and the medical bandages and supplies that insurance wouldn't cover.
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« Reply #95 on: December 28, 2009, 04:16:57 PM »
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Total calories can't be more than maybe 1,000 calories, you can even check with website

You're right.  I checked.  Those veggie subs are 230 calories for a 6".  That is 920 calories just for the sandwiches in a day.  Add in the other stuff and voila!  You have someone who is not going to lose weight.  Not to mention will learn nothing of portion control.

I wish you and Kirk well but until y'all get a handle on some of that I don't think Kirk will be seeing the south side of 400#'s anytime in the near future.  Once y'all get serious about it the postings Kirk does on what he eats will take on a new life.

Good luck!

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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #96 on: December 28, 2009, 04:20:03 PM »
Jeanette.  No, he only has to have about 4,000 calories a day to keep his weight on.

I have deleted a whole bunch of what you posted and left in what I felt you should be looking at.  If you don't think that is a LOT of food for a human to eat in a day .... there is the problem.  If I ate ONE footlong subway sandwich I wouldn't be able to eat the rest of the day yet you see no problem with Kirk eating two..... 

I think what y'all need to realize is that while what he is eating may be low in calories if you eat a LOT of it those calories build up.  Not to mention you are not conditioning yourself to eat 'normal portions'.  That is the problem.

Think about what you have typed ..... does it really seem normal?

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Actually, yes, I believe that is a good deal less food than he was eating when he was a lower weight. You may not be able to eat more than a footlong in a day and eat anything else, but I tend to believe you aren't looking at the contents of that footlong you are likely eating. It's going to likely include meat and cheese, which are more calorie and weight dense than a bunch of lettuce and other veggies. The densest part of the sandwich is the bread, a whole wheat bun. So having two footlong veggie subs with no cheese and little seasoning, that seems to be a reasonable amount of food for a day.

As far as the two bags of salad, they are salad only, no additional toppings, except for the modified 3-2-1 dressing I made for him. Rabbit food, in other words, to alot of people. Not a calorie dense food, and indeed, not a food that I would consider to be very filling either, due to the compacted contents not taking up alot of space in anyones stomach. The rice and pasta, when I'm talking about a bowl, I'm talking about a cereal bowl, able to handle about 2, maybe 3 cups of anything in them. Consider that a good 1/3-1/2 of the contents was the sauce, leaving only 1/2-2/3 contents the more dense rice or pasta, I don't think that was very much to eat at all.

Now, I have stopped buying soda, he's going to be drinking tea and related non-sweetened or non-sugared drinks with maybe a soda once in a while. He was drinking alot of sodas, so we are cutting him back drastically. He's aware of the potential health risks from diet sodas, and will be removing them almost entirely from his diet. Please understand, the water here tastes horrible, and Joe requested that we not add a water filter to the kitchen sink. So I have three pitchers of filtered water at all times, so that Kirk can have cold filtered water. The only bad thing is, the water can still taste pretty bad, even after being filtered, I personally can't drink filtered or non-filtered water without some kind of drink mix. I can drink bottled without a problem, if it's cold, but that's more money and more lugging things around, because we don't have a close bottle filter place nearby. We did at one time, but it wasn't kept clean enough, the water didn't taste like it was being properly filtered by the station.
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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #97 on: December 28, 2009, 04:23:08 PM »
You're right.  I checked.  Those veggie subs are 230 calories for a 6".  That is 920 calories just for the sandwiches in a day.  Add in the other stuff and voila!  You have someone who is not going to lose weight.  Not to mention will learn nothing of portion control.

I wish you and Kirk well but until y'all get a handle on some of that I don't think Kirk will be seeing the south side of 400#'s anytime in the near future.  Once y'all get serious about it the postings Kirk does on what he eats will take on a new life.

Good luck!

Happy New Year.
KC

What was the extra stuff? The calories you are quoting are with cheese, and I'm not sure how you can make the additional toppings equal another 3,000 calories? That is, after all, what I was just told would be required in order for him to not have lost weight, right? Sounds to me like he could actually eat a total of 8 footlong subs to equal that 4,000 calories, and given that he doesn't have cheese, he could probably squeeze in another 6 inch sub as well.
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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #98 on: December 28, 2009, 04:27:41 PM »
What was the extra stuff? The calories you are quoting are with cheese, and I'm not sure how you can make the additional toppings equal another 3,000 calories? That is, after all, what I was just told would be required in order for him to not have lost weight, right? Sounds to me like he could actually eat a total of 8 footlong subs to equal that 4,000 calories, and given that he doesn't have cheese, he could probably squeeze in another 6 inch sub as well.

The other stuff would be things like .... drinking 2 liters of soda in a day.  I'm sure there are other things in there as well.  It adds up. 

I think you are going to find he is eating too much.  Sorry to be so blunt but it is what it is.  I really, REALLY wish y'all well.  My wife has been on her journey for 2 years so I know how it goes.  It is NOT easy.  Good Luck!

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Re: gigantic primitive gets exercycle (new update evening of 12-21)
« Reply #99 on: December 28, 2009, 05:02:25 PM »
You seem pretty honest about what he eats and drinks. That much soda, even diet, cannot be good. Anyway, I can't say he should stop  :-) , I'd be a hypocrite I guess. I am partial to regular Dr. Pepper myself. While a 2-ltr might seem crazy to some of the smaller guys on this forum, I know how it is, I can do that too.

If he, or I heh,  could just replace the soda with water it would be a big improvement.