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Offline franksolich

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primitives have a thought
« on: December 10, 2009, 03:55:10 PM »
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Oh my.

It's not much of a thought, but here it is.

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johnlal (870 posts)      Thu Dec-10-09 10:13 AM
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Here's what we should do on Healthcare...

If the Democrats pass a law in Congress without the promised "robust public option", but instead expands Medicare to people 55 and older, I think we should all promptly converge on our local Social Security office to sign our families up for Medicare-- regardless of age.

The Teabaggers got a lot of attention because of their antics. We need to show the government that we're serious about having a National healtcare system. We should all show up, every day. Bus people in. Clog the lines and the phones. Until someone sees the real need for a single payer, government administered healthcare plan. In fact, if we started doing it now, we could get a lot of attention before the bill is passed.

Just a thought.

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HopeHoops  (1000+ posts)      Thu Dec-10-09 10:16 AM
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1. Especially if you have a newborn who hasn't received a SS# yet.

That should make their heads swim!

Actually, that might get a point across, but it wouldn't be very fair to the poor SS workers. On the other hand, they might find it amusing at first (operative is "at first").

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Rosa Luxemburg  (1000+ posts)       Thu Dec-10-09 10:16 AM
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2. Medicare for all

how about all the unemployed sign up regardless of age.

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daleanime  (506 posts)      Thu Dec-10-09 10:19 AM
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3. I kind of like it..

it's simple, straight forward, and easy to coordinate.

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johnlal (870 posts)      Thu Dec-10-09 10:19 AM
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4. And when they turn you away...

You go to the end of the line and start again.

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jtrockville  (1000+ posts)      Thu Dec-10-09 10:24 AM
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5. Why wait? Why not begin this action now?

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DrDan  (1000+ posts)      Thu Dec-10-09 10:24 AM
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6. so . . . . meaningful legislation will come from harassing some Soc Security clerk

How about working to elect D's that are supportive of reform. I guess that would not be considered an antic, but it might just work.

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johnlal (870 posts)      Thu Dec-10-09 10:26 AM
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7. "How about working to elect D's that are supportive of reform?"

I thought we did that in 2008. Fool me once, can't be fooled again!

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DrDan  (1000+ posts)      Thu Dec-10-09 10:28 AM
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8. well - we missed a few - Lieberman comes to mind

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johnlal (870 posts)      Thu Dec-10-09 10:36 AM
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10. Seriously, though, the Democratic electorate did it's part...

We did everything humanly possible to bring about change in healthcare in this country. The electorate put a Democrat in the White House and built majorities in both houses of Congress. We will keep doing that. But the conditions now are about as good as they are going to get for reform. If they don't do it now, their power could erode before we get another bite at reform. It could be another 20 years before we get another chance, so they have to get it right now.

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DrDan  (1000+ posts)      Thu Dec-10-09 10:38 AM
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11. I know - and agree 100%

just wish we could dislodge a few holdouts and put in some that care about the American public instead of the personal agendas.

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johnlal (870 posts)      Thu Dec-10-09 10:40 AM
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13. Yep. Same here.

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Q3JR4  (1000+ posts)        Thu Dec-10-09 12:13 PM
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14. Not just "could." If they don't pass meaningful reform it WILL.

Whatever this piece of legislation causes, the democrats have to realize that it will be placed squarely on them. If the dems don't go far enough, they will be blamed for any and all failures, especially if they can ONLY get 60 votes from their caucus.

I say they should get it right, even if they have to use the reconciliation process, and damn the consequences.

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sandnsea  (1000+ posts)      Thu Dec-10-09 10:39 AM
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12. People can do both

Frankly, too much time was wasted ranting about single payer instead of taking concrete action on what was in front of us, but we are where we are. People protested at Senator's offices all over the country and not one of them made the national news. People going to their SSI office, all over the country, demanding Medicare For All, that's something that will get picked up.

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sandnsea  (1000+ posts)      Thu Dec-10-09 10:35 AM
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9. Good idea, great idea

They've ****ed this bill up so bad that's the only thing that has a prayer of getting it back on track.
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Re: primitives have a thought
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2009, 04:04:57 PM »
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We need to show the government that we're serious about having a National healtcare system. We should all show up, every day.

Yeah, that'll endear you to the general public....GIVE ME MY FREE SHIT NOW!!!!! :whatever:
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Re: primitives have a thought
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2009, 04:05:39 PM »
And then that mighty 1/4 watt light bulb fizzled.
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Re: primitives have a thought
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2009, 04:28:43 PM »
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We need to show the government that we're serious about having a National healtcare system. We should all show up, every day.

Hell, DUmmies can't show up every day for work, so they likely wouldn't show up for this either.
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Re: primitives have a thought
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2009, 04:31:42 PM »
Again I ask you DUmmies where will the money come from for this? Obama's stash aint that big.

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Re: primitives have a thought
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2009, 04:34:16 PM »
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11. I know - and agree 100%

just wish we could dislodge a few holdouts and put in some that care about the American public instead of the personal agendas.

It still amazes me that none of them understand that Congress people answer only to their district or state and that is what they do to ensure reelection.
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Re: primitives have a thought
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2009, 04:35:27 PM »
Quote from: Carl on December 10, 2009, 04:34:16 PM
It still amazes me that none of them understand that Congress people answer only to their district or state and that is what they do to ensure reelection.

They get all bent out of shape when the send emails to congress critters in other districts and the email is disregarded.  :lmao:
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Re: primitives have a thought
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2009, 06:08:55 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on December 10, 2009, 04:35:27 PM
They get all bent out of shape when the send emails to congress critters in other districts and the email is disregarded.  :lmao:

That's the main reason why I won't call or write a Representative or Senator that isn't one of the three that directly represent me.  And those three are Dems, so they won't listen to what I have to say anyway.
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Re: primitives have a thought
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2009, 10:58:13 PM »
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johnlal (870 posts)      Thu Dec-10-09 10:36 AM
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10. Seriously, though, the Democratic electorate did it's part...

We did everything humanly possible to bring about change in healthcare in this country. The electorate put a Democrat in the White House and built majorities in both houses of Congress. We will keep doing that. But the conditions now are about as good as they are going to get for reform. If they don't do it now, their power could erode before we get another bite at reform. It could be another 20 years before we get another chance, so they have to get it right now.

And just why do you think they're having so many problems? Why might their power erode? I wonder if it's because their health care debacle isn't popular and the majority of voters think the country is going in the wrong direction. If your policies were so popular your power wouldn't wane. Think about it.

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Re: primitives have a thought
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2009, 02:17:34 AM »
Quote from: delilahmused on December 10, 2009, 10:58:13 PM
And just why do you think they're having so many problems? Why might their power erode? I wonder if it's because their health care debacle isn't popular and the majority of voters think the country is going in the wrong direction. If your policies were so popular your power wouldn't wane. Think about it.

Cindie

Yet if you read these idiots, they are trying to convince their brethren 80% of the American people want this so-called reform.

Pretty pathetic when you have to lie to yourself in order to further your political agenda. (shakes head)
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Re: primitives have a thought
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2009, 02:53:31 AM »
primitives have a thought....It was just a gas pain....with lumps.
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Re: primitives have a thought
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2009, 07:57:00 AM »
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Hell, DUmmies can't show up every day for work, so they likely wouldn't show up for this either.

Plus, it's getting cold out and finals are coming up.  (Isn't that an old inside joke from before my time?) 
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Re: primitives have a thought
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2009, 08:34:23 AM »
Quote from: Karin on December 11, 2009, 07:57:00 AM
Thundley4 said:
Plus, it's getting cold out and finals are coming up.  (Isn't that an old inside joke from before my time?) 
hahahahahahaha...I remember that one...
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Re: primitives have a thought
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2009, 08:43:31 AM »
You know, I bet that if they were to put as much energy into looking for a job with health benefits as they do trying to get free healthcare, the whole point would be moot.   :p  If this were to ever make it on television, the average American would wonder how they could waste so much of their time repeatedly applying for benefits that they are absolutely not qualified to receive.
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Re: primitives have a thought
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2009, 10:19:51 AM »
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Don't worry, it won't last.
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