http://www.democraticunderground.org/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7134893Oh my.
The bitter old Vermontese cali primitive who had been a big 0bamaite, an enthusiastic cheerleader for Bo, before many of the other primitives even knew who he was.
cali (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-02-09 10:29 AM
Original message
I say it's an escalation, a ramping up of war and I say to hell with it.
I don't give a **** how many times you tell me it's a withdrawal plan. It's not. You want to defend it? Fine, defend it for what it is, and that's an escalation of war.
The bitter old Vermontese cali primitive obviously never learned that old ladies shouldn't use obscenities; it demeans them, and even worse makes them look just plain silly.
cali (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-02-09 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. I think he believes it's necessary politically and I don't see how our escalation in Afghanistan is a deterrence re the Taliban in Pakistan. If anything, it will exasperate that problem.
The bowel movement primitive:
blm (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-02-09 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #8
15. Bush was LYING about Iraq. Many on left said Bin Laden and Al Qaeda should be the focus of America's military mission.
Huge difference.
superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-02-09 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #15
17. So how do you know Obama's not lying?
blm (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-02-09 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #17
21. I've been following global terror issue and especially Pakistan's role since BCCI matters were becoming noticeably deepsixed in the 90s - we had expected fuller revelations from a cooperative Dem president who would allow access to documents stonewalled by Bush1, not the further protection of secrecy and privilege we got from Clinton.
Some of us were warning about the strengthening Taliban in Afghanistan while most of America wanted to discuss Monica.
There IS a significant threat now centered in Pakistan BECAUSE of Bush's willingness to let Al Qaeda regroup there.
tekisui (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-02-09 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #3
29. You are still scared, huh?
We can't protect ourselves by escalating war. War does not kill extremism, it breeds it.
We need the resources here to protect us. Intelligence and police work is the proper tactic. War makes more.
cali (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-02-09 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #6
12. we're just missing the subtle brilliance of it all.
In three years we'll be out of Afghanistan. It'll be stable and without corruption. The Taliban will be as extinct as the dodo. Pakistan will be safe and its nukes secure.
Now about that bridge....
franksolich's favorite primitive, the salacious primitive:
Selatius (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-02-09 01:23 PM
Response to Original message
41. The Taliban is a bunch of backward tribesmen and chieftains with AKs and RPGs.
They live on that land, but they and their ancestors have defeated world powers. It is ill-advised to be engaging in guerrilla warfare on a piece of land covered with mountains and valleys and caves that they know better than any invading army could. It's just a recipe for a very long, brutal war with no guaranteed outcome of victory.
You can't defeat a set of people who would rather fight than accept the authority of a foreign army on their land. We tried. We already had Viet Nam.
Well, it's Bo's problem.
