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Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« on: November 24, 2009, 02:24:19 PM »
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Navy SEALs have secretly captured one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq — the alleged mastermind of the murder and mutilation of four Blackwater USA security guards in Fallujah in 2004. And for their trouble, three of the SEALs, members of the Navy's elite commando unit, are now facing criminal charges, sources told FoxNews.com.

The three have refused non-judicial punishment — called an admiral's mast — and requested a trial by court-martial.

Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named "Objective Amber," told investigators he was punched by his captors — and he had the bloody lip to prove it.

Now, instead of being lauded for bringing to justice a high-value target, three of the SEAL commandos, all enlisted, face assault charges and have retained lawyers.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576646,00.html
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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2009, 02:27:18 PM »
I suppose we could just stop taking prisoners...
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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2009, 02:30:21 PM »
Quote from: Chump on November 24, 2009, 02:27:18 PM
I suppose we could just stop taking prisoners...

Or, better yet, we come home and deal with the bullshit in Washington.
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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2009, 02:31:59 PM »
Quote from: dutch508 on November 24, 2009, 02:30:21 PM
Or, better yet, we come home and deal with the bullshit in Washington.

Definitely, but I still don't want to take any prisoners... :cheersmate:
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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2009, 02:39:48 PM »
Quote from: Chump on November 24, 2009, 02:27:18 PM
I suppose we could just stop taking prisoners...

Probably less paper work and legal bullshit to put up with if they did....  :thatsright:

All lawyers and politicians are nothing but a bunch of worthless PC asswipes....  :mental:
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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2009, 02:58:05 PM »
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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2009, 03:28:22 PM »
Amazing.  Another attempt to hamstring our service men and women. 

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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2009, 03:50:16 PM »
Cases like this get an awful lot of servicepeople killed.

Punishing warriors for doing their jobs?

Wow.
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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2009, 03:53:13 PM »
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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2009, 03:53:55 PM »
Quote from: diesel driver on November 24, 2009, 02:39:48 PM
Probably less paper work and legal bullshit to put up with if they did....  :thatsright:

All lawyers and politicians are nothing but a bunch of worthless PC asswipes....  :mental:

Don't be a total dumbshit, the decision to take UCMJ action is purely the commander's and nobody else's, as much as they love to pole it off on the JAGs when they take heat for making stupid decisions.  Lawyers in the military can only advise, the commander decides whether to take action or not.  This is some damned admiral's stupid decision, trying to be too PC for anyone's good.

...And I'm all in favor of not trying real hard at all to take these targets alive, but to concentrate on taking them down hard and clean ('Clean' in the sense of not blowing up all the intel-value material along with them, that is).  Their laptops, papers, and lower-level henchmen will provide all the intel value we need out of them without having to screw around with a bunch of 'Law and Order' police-style blessed-by-the-domestic-courts interrogation bullshit. 
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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2009, 04:13:14 PM »
If you don't think this is politics-driven, Tanker, I don't know what to tell you. This should NEVER happen. It's war, Damnit, and I know you know something about it. This is the environment the left has created. If this was "just this commander's discretion", which I don't agree with, he should be f'n relieved of duty. Personally, I think it's a damn CYA and he's leaving the SEALS on the proverbial battlefield to die alone.
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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2009, 04:15:18 PM »
He was resisting being captured. I'd say the Seals showed great restrain in only punching him. 
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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2009, 04:22:57 PM »
I think we need to take up a collection to buy Saturday night specials, so our servicemen have a weapon to "drop" in order to plead self deffence! I mean c'mon, it works for the FBI!
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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2009, 04:23:25 PM »
Good GOD! We used to shoot these mofuggas! Now we're punishing our own because they busted his lip?


This country is f'n DOOMED! You wanna make it a police action, send in the f'n Iraqi police. After a platoon of them are killed, and you figure out the only way to get the douchebag is with a military operation, don't f'n bitch about his appearance when he lands on the floor in front of you, hopefully head first.  :censored:
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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2009, 04:29:09 PM »
That the three are telling their chain of command to go **** themselves, that they'll take their chances with a court martial, is pretty telling. There's a principle at stake here and these three guys are not going to roll over and take the high hard one without a fight.

I'm betting it won't be a general court. It'll be either a summary or special court.

I can't recall all the niceties, but it involves a panel of members or to be tried by military judge alone. Something like that, anyway.
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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2009, 04:41:32 PM »
UPDATE:

Obama has come out and stated, "I don't know all the details, but the SEALS acted stupidly"

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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2009, 04:42:34 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on November 24, 2009, 04:41:32 PM
UPDATE:

Obama has come out and stated, "I don't know all the details, but the SEALS acted stupidly"



Does that mean a beer summit is pending?
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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2009, 04:43:14 PM »
Quote from: Eupher on November 24, 2009, 04:42:34 PM
Does that mean a beer summit is pending?

Never can tell with this idiot.
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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2009, 05:02:08 PM »
WTF has happened to the leadership in our Military? This is just icing on the cake after that asshole Hasan shot up Ft. Hood, and the powers that be knew all along he was a frikkin' terrorist!

WTF?

Maybe we ought to give 'em all a Bondsman License! We don't have to be "politically correct" when we hall assholes to jail! They take our word for it! Amazing that our Commanders don't believe our Elites! Just ****in' amazing!
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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2009, 06:27:21 PM »
Quote from: AllosaursRus on November 24, 2009, 05:02:08 PM
WTF has happened to the leadership in our Military? This is just icing on the cake after that asshole Hasan shot up Ft. Hood, and the powers that be knew all along he was a frikkin' terrorist!

WTF?

Maybe we ought to give 'em all a Bondsman License! We don't have to be "politically correct" when we hall assholes to jail! They take our word for it! Amazing that our Commanders don't believe our Elites! Just ****in' amazing!

As Euph often says, the military is not absent of social engineering and politics. It's f'ed up and will get troops killed.
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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2009, 06:32:54 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on November 24, 2009, 04:13:14 PM
If you don't think this is politics-driven, Tanker, I don't know what to tell you. This should NEVER happen. It's war, Damnit, and I know you know something about it. This is the environment the left has created. If this was "just this commander's discretion", which I don't agree with, he should be f'n relieved of duty. Personally, I think it's a damn CYA and he's leaving the SEALS on the proverbial battlefield to die alone.

I couldn't agree more, and this is the time when GOOD military leadership should step up to the plate and back the SEALs.  This looks a whole lot like some flag officer sucking Democrat Congressional ass to make sure he doesn't get sidelined on his next star.  Whoever is calling the shots, he needs to grow a pair and stand up for his men, even if it means he kisses off the extra star doing it.  No promotion is worth wiping your ass with your own integrity.  But, it ain't the JAG driving the train, it is the COMMANDER who makes the call on UCMJ action, up or down, from NJP/Mast/Article 15 all the way to GCM.
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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2009, 06:46:23 PM »
Prisoners can't whine about a fat lip if they have a cut throat, just sayin'.
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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2009, 07:29:30 PM »
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If you don't think this is politics-driven, Tanker, I don't know what to tell you. This should NEVER happen. It's war, Damnit, and I know you know something about it. This is the environment the left has created. If this was "just this commander's discretion", which I don't agree with, he should be f'n relieved of duty. Personally, I think it's a damn CYA and he's leaving the SEALS on the proverbial battlefield to die alone.

Amen.

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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2009, 07:31:40 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on November 24, 2009, 04:23:25 PM
Good GOD! We used to shoot these mofuggas! Now we're punishing our own because they busted his lip?


This country is f'n DOOMED! You wanna make it a police action, send in the f'n Iraqi police. After a platoon of them are killed, and you figure out the only way to get the douchebag is with a military operation, don't f'n bitch about his appearance when he lands on the floor in front of you, hopefully head first.  :censored:

Isn't PCism wonderful?

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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
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