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Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« on: March 04, 2008, 06:12:11 PM »
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By Jerome R. Corsi
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NEW YORK – Global warming is a natural process, not likely the result of human activities, argued more than 100 internationally prominent environmental scientists in papers presented at the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change, which concluded here today.

The conference, organized by the Heartland Institute, sought to refute the contention promoted by Al Gore and the U.N. that there is an "established scientific consensus" that human beings are causing the earth to warm catastrophically. The event attracted more than 500 people, including scientists, economists, policy experts and members of the public from around the world.

"The purpose of the conference is to provide a platform for the hundreds of scientists, economists, and policy experts who dissent from the so-called 'consensus' on global warming," said Joseph Bast, president of the Chicago-based Heartland Institute. "This is their chance to speak out."

"Is global warming 'An Inconvenient Truth,' as Vice President Al Gore charges, or a 'Global Warming Swindle?' Harriet Johnson, spokeswoman for the Heartland Institute asked in a statement distributed at the start of the three-day conference.

"The alarmists in the global warming debate have had their say – over and over again, in every newspaper in the country practically every day and in countless news reports and documentary films," a notice on the Heartland Institute website proclaims. "But they have lost the debate."

Environmental scientist S. Fred Singer kicked off the conference by releasing a report entitled, "Nature, Not Human Activity Rules the Climate," summarizing a three-year international scientific research project conducted by the Nongovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or NIPCC, that Singer headed.

"There are many factors that affect the climate," Singer told WND. "What we can now exclude by scientific evidence is the argument that greenhouse gases are an important factor in causing global warming."

Singer and the NIPCC agree that global warming occurred in the 20th century, but disagree human activity is responsible. He argues instead that natural causes are likely to be the dominant cause of the scientifically observed global warming under discussion.

The NIPCC scientists contend the U.N. agenda "is largely hypothetical and not sustained by observations" driven by complex mathematical models.

The computer models, the NIPCC scientists claim, are only valid in a "virtual computer world," but fail to produce reliable real world predictions that can be empirically verified.

More: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58024
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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2008, 06:14:59 PM »
Well, let's see if TNO shows up when there are real scientists speaking.
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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2008, 06:18:16 PM »
Quote from: freedumb2003 on March 04, 2008, 06:14:59 PM
Well, let's see if TNO shows up when there are real scientists speaking.


The DUmb Owl will probably claim they are wrong or something.
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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2008, 06:49:17 PM »
I see no peer review..........where are these scientific studies published...........I can't find things on the interwebs to say this is true.

It's all a lie
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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2008, 06:54:28 PM »
Quote from: Attero Dominatus on March 04, 2008, 06:18:16 PM
Quote from: freedumb2003 on March 04, 2008, 06:14:59 PM
Well, let's see if TNO shows up when there are real scientists speaking.


The DUmb Owl will probably claim they are wrong or something.

Well, his PhD degree trumps these bozos, right?
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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2008, 06:55:36 PM »
Quote from: freedumb2003 on March 04, 2008, 06:54:28 PM
Well, his PhD degree trumps these bozos, right?
He has a PhD?  :o
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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2008, 06:56:54 PM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on March 04, 2008, 06:55:36 PM
Quote from: freedumb2003 on March 04, 2008, 06:54:28 PM
Well, his PhD degree trumps these bozos, right?
He has a PhD?  :o
...in trollology.   :-)
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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2008, 06:57:01 PM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on March 04, 2008, 06:55:36 PM
Quote from: freedumb2003 on March 04, 2008, 06:54:28 PM
Well, his PhD degree trumps these bozos, right?
He has a PhD?  :o

I guess so.  He keeps challenging real scientists so I assume that means he is a climatology Doogie Howser.
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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2008, 07:33:16 PM »
Fred Singer cracks me up. Only recently has Singer acknowledged that Earth's climate is warming. A few years ago, he was arguing with a straight face that Earth's climate is not warming. Singer's latest argument is that global warming is happening but is due to natural causes. I guess I should give Singer a few years to catch up with modern science before expecting him to change his tune yet again.

Funny stuff.

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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2008, 08:17:58 PM »
Quote from: The Night Owl on March 04, 2008, 07:33:16 PM
Fred Singer cracks me up. Only recently has Singer acknowledged that Earth's climate is warming. A few years ago, he was arguing with a straight face that Earth's climate is not warming. Singer's latest argument is that global warming is happening but is due to natural causes. I guess I should give Singer a few years to catch up with modern science before expecting him to change his tune yet again.

Funny stuff.



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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2008, 08:22:57 PM »
Quote from: freedumb2003 on March 04, 2008, 08:17:58 PM
Thanks for stopping by. We are ready to receive your credentials.

One does not need scientific credentials to point out that a certain Singer has changed his tune.

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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2008, 08:28:53 PM »
Quote from: The Night Owl on March 04, 2008, 08:22:57 PM
Quote from: freedumb2003 on March 04, 2008, 08:17:58 PM
Thanks for stopping by. We are ready to receive your credentials.

One does not need scientific credentials to point out that a certain Singer has changed his tune.



Adjusting one's world picture based on new information is what scientists do.

And, your credentials again are....?
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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2008, 09:47:36 PM »
Quote from: freedumb2003 on March 04, 2008, 08:28:53 PM

Adjusting one's world picture based on new information is what scientists do.

And, your credentials again are....?


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"The temperatures at the North and South Poles are lower now than they were in 1930. The Antarctic Peninsula, the finger of land pointing north towards Argentina (and the equator) has been getting warmer...The other 97 percent of Antarctic has been cooling since the mid-1960s."

-S. Fred Singer, Distinguished Research Professor, George Mason University and Dennis Avery,  Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute  and co-authors Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1500 Years.

As you can read, Professor Singer has not been one to deny warming.  He has been one to put it in its proper context.  The Professor has logic and reasoning on his side.  All we have is some bird brain contradicting him.
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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2008, 10:04:38 PM »
Quote from: freedumb2003 on March 04, 2008, 06:14:59 PM
Well, let's see if TNO shows up when there are real scientists speaking.



he's still looking up what caused the First Global Warming after the First Ice Age..
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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2008, 08:00:33 AM »
Quote from: Lord Undies on March 04, 2008, 09:47:36 PM
As you can read, Professor Singer has not been one to deny warming.  He has been one to put it in its proper context.  The Professor has logic and reasoning on his side.  All we have is some bird brain contradicting him.

Fred Singer in 2003...

EPA Bias on Global Warming
By S. Fred Singer

Ever since his election, George W. Bush has been under siege by supporters of the Kyoto Protocol, the international treaty that calls for drastic cuts in the emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases. His opposition to Kyoto has led to attacks from many directions: by political opponents, European politicians, Green groups, and, of course, the New York Times. Some of the worst have come from within. Just a few days ago, an "embedded" EPA "climate policy adviser" (now seamlessly transferred to the National Wildlife Federation) published a scurrilous article in the Washington Post, accusing the White House of "attempts to suppress scientific information."

Such sniping can easily be stopped. However, the White House must educate the public and its own federal bureaucracy about certain climate facts, as endorsed by top scientists:

**The best available data, from weather satellites and weather balloons, do not detect any appreciable atmospheric warming. Nor did the 20th century show unusually high temperatures.

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http://www.sepp.org/Archive/NewSEPP/EPABIAS-Singer.html
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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2008, 08:03:49 AM »
Quote from: Lauri on March 04, 2008, 10:04:38 PM
he's still looking up what caused the First Global Warming after the First Ice Age..

You should probably look up a good reason to think that the existence of natural cooling and warming cycles in the past rule out the possbility that global warming today is the result of human activities.
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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2008, 08:06:30 AM »
Quote from: The Night Owl on March 05, 2008, 08:03:49 AM
Quote from: Lauri on March 04, 2008, 10:04:38 PM
he's still looking up what caused the First Global Warming after the First Ice Age..

You should probably look up a good reason to think that the existence of natural cooling and warming cycles in the past rule out the possbility that global warming today is the result of human activities.
Occam's Razor.
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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2008, 08:09:15 AM »
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**The best available data, from weather satellites and weather balloons, do not detect any appreciable atmospheric warming. Nor did the 20th century show unusually high temperatures.

I couldn't have said it better myself.  The truth finally comes out!  Thanks, Professor Singer.  You convinced the bird brain!
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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2008, 08:10:49 AM »
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**The best available data, from weather satellites and weather balloons, do not detect any appreciable atmospheric warming. Nor did the 20th century show unusually high temperatures.

I couldn't have said it better myself.  The truth finally comes out!  Thanks, Professor Singer.  You convinced the bird brain!

Hello? As you pointed out a few posts back, Fred Singer is no longer arguing that the planet is not getting warming.
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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2008, 08:17:07 AM »
Quote from: freedumb2003 on March 05, 2008, 08:06:30 AM
Occam's Razor.


Considering the fact that no natural process has been identified as the cause of the global warming going on, then Occam's Razor would tell us to look to mankind as the cause. Simple.
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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2008, 08:29:27 AM »
Quote from: The Night Owl on March 05, 2008, 08:17:07 AM
Quote from: freedumb2003 on March 05, 2008, 08:06:30 AM
Occam's Razor.


Considering the fact that no natural process has been identified as the cause of the global warming going on, then Occam's Razor would tell us to look to mankind as the cause. Simple.

Only if you buy your statement, which no one does. 
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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2008, 02:29:05 PM »
Quote from: The Night Owl on March 05, 2008, 08:03:49 AM
Quote from: Lauri on March 04, 2008, 10:04:38 PM
he's still looking up what caused the First Global Warming after the First Ice Age..

You should probably look up a good reason to think that the existence of natural cooling and warming cycles in the past rule out the possbility that global warming today is the result of human activities.

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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2008, 11:27:20 PM »
Quote from: The Night Owl on March 05, 2008, 08:17:07 AM
Quote from: freedumb2003 on March 05, 2008, 08:06:30 AM
Occam's Razor.


Considering the fact that no natural process has been identified as the cause of the global warming going on, then Occam's Razor would tell us to look to mankind as the cause. Simple.


um, no. that theory means 'the simpler the explanation, the better' .. or something like that.


Occam's Razor would say its because the Sun is heating up. Which apparently it is..
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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2008, 09:03:52 AM »
Quote from: Lauri on March 05, 2008, 11:27:20 PM
Occam's Razor would say its because the Sun is heating up. Which apparently it is..

How many times do I have to tell people that solar irradiance has been slightly decreasing for the past few decades before the information sinks in?

http://www.pmodwrc.ch/pmod.php?topic=tsi/composite/SolarConstant

If solar irradiance were the only factor in Earth's climate, then Earth should be getting cooler, but instead, it is getting hotter. Feel free to explain why you think that decreasing solar irradiance produces increasing temperatures.
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Re: Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2008, 09:10:02 AM »
Quote from: The Night Owl on March 06, 2008, 09:03:52 AM
Quote from: Lauri on March 05, 2008, 11:27:20 PM
Occam's Razor would say its because the Sun is heating up. Which apparently it is..

How many times do I have to tell people that solar irradiance has been slightly decreasing for the past few decades before the information sinks in?


well, since you assume that everything written on the web is truth - here ya go. I did a search for "is the sun getting hotter?" and came up with tens of thousands of pages which say... yes. It is. If NASA isnt good enough for you, and you think you need to keep educating us until it 'sinks in' .. maybe its you who needs a slight re-education?

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