DUmmies Get What They Demand...Can't Stand the Flavor

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

cherokeeprogressive  (1000+ posts)        Fri Nov-20-09 05:51 AM
Original message
RE: KSM Let's give him a fair trial, then hang his ass.
 I'm confused about how I should feel about this whole thing. I'm confused over how I should feel about his being brought to New York. Do we want the world to see how the American justice system works, or do we want them to see a kangaroo court that results in the conviction and execution of a Muslim known by the world to be hated by a majority of Americans?

To make my point... The AG AND the President of the United States have BOTH voiced their confidence in the fact that he'll be convicted, AND executed. What do you think that does to the jury pool? How would YOU like to be the one citizen who believes the state hasn't made it's case, for any number of reasons? Knowing that your name will get out sooner or later, and be made known the the ENTIRE WORLD, do you vote your conscience or do you vote for the safety of yourself AND your family?

Fair trial? By a "jury of his peers"? What if no Arab or Muslim is selected to be on his jury? Is that fair? What if during the course of voir dire, Muslims and Arabs are excluded? Could the United States look to the world and say we tried him "fairly"?

If Muslims and/or Arabs are allowed on the jury, what if the jury hangs? Try him again? How many times does he get tried due to hung juries?

Worst of all, what if he hangs in a jail cell? Who gets blamed?

Damn, I'm not sure I see any good coming out of his being tried in criminal court.

Now, I'm thinking that someone is going to say something like "nice RW talking point". I'll say right now that I DO NOT KNOW where to find "talking points", be they right or left. So, I'd ask whomever chooses to accuse me of posting talking points to point me to where those talking points can be found.

LynnTheDem  (1000+ posts)        Fri Nov-20-09 05:53 AM
Response to Original message
1. Oh, no worries...the world already knows all about how the US "justice system" works.
 We'r enot fooling anyone. Never have done.

Well...other than some Americans.

notesdev  (1000+ posts)         Fri Nov-20-09 05:56 AM
Response to Original message
3. your confusion is understandable 
 I too have been wondering how they could possibly find an impartial jury in New York City. Jury selection alone is going to be a nightmare - what sane and mentally competent person would want to sit on that jury?
To my anonymous benefactor - thank you

 

cherokeeprogressive  (1000+ posts)        Fri Nov-20-09 06:04 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. And if chosen to sit on that jury, knowing that there is NO chance of NOT having their name
 disclosed publicly, who would vote based on the evidence rather than voting to keep themselves and their family safe?

I guess AG Holder and President Obama are right: The guy gets convicted, and executed. Not necessarily on the evidence though, but possibly on the wish of a juror that neither him/her or their family are subject to whatever vengeance might come for voting not to convict.

American Justice on Display. Cool. I feel a lot safer already.

freddie mertz (876 posts)      Fri Nov-20-09 01:02 PM
Response to Original message
15. Well, let's see... The Pres and AG have already, in effect, declared
 KSM guilty and sentenced him to death.

And we all know that he was tortured, 125 times on the water board that we know of.

Fair trial?

Maybe in spite of all this.... maybe, but not likely....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x8559

[djones520]

Kinda suprising to see a somewhat sane thought coming from Cherokee.

[Mike220]

Worst of all, what if he hangs in a jail cell?

We can keep hoping... 

[Duke Nukum]

Dear DUmmies

You guys supported an idiot and now you get to reap the idiot wind.  Unfortunately, being leftists, you feel perfectly justified in dragging the rest of us along with you.

Dubya wasn't perfect, no president is, but I miss him so much now.  He would never have allowed this.

But you guys got what you want.  A radical leftist is in charge and he has infiltrated the government with all of his radical leftist buddies.

You got your hope and change. And, sadly, so did the rest of us.

Be well.

Duke

[Carl]

Dear DUmmies

You guys supported an idiot and now you get to reap the idiot wind.  Unfortunately, being leftists, you feel perfectly justified in dragging the rest of us along with you.

Dubya wasn't perfect, no president is, but I miss him so much now.  He would never have allowed this.

But you guys got what you want.  A radical leftist is in charge and he has infiltrated the government with all of his radical leftist buddies.

You got your hope and change. And, sadly, so did the rest of us.

Be well.

Duke

You said it,these were all considerations pondered nearly 10 years ago by the Bush administration and resolved in as good a way as possible given the nature of the situation.

Now the child President has thrown that all away in his desire to be loved by everyone that is evil leaving us the worst of all outcomes.

[BlueStateSaint]

You said it,these were all considerations pondered nearly 10 years ago by the Bush administration and resolved in as good a way as possible given the nature of the situation.

Now the child President has thrown that all away in his desire to be loved by everyone that is evil leaving us the worst of all outcomes.

It's the "Willy Loman School of Foreign Policy" at work.

[GOBUCKS]

It is so funny to see these communist DUmmies sound oblivious to the plan their muslim president has for these terrorists. Their conviction and punishment is of no concern. He could not care less. The whole point of these show trials is to have daily reports in the MSM on the cruelties these poor defenseless muslims have endured at the hands of the evil Bush administration and the brutal American military. They hope these daily reports will play out over a period of years and years, with the goal of indoctrinating an entire generation of American kids with a clear message on the inhuman cruelty of Republicans and the U.S. military. Shorter term, their goal is to distract attention from a monumentally incompetent and corrupt regime, and to blunt any political opposition to its socialist initiatives. The anti-American press and the terrorists' weasel defense lawyers will do the Kenyan's work for him.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

It is so funny to see these communist DUmmies sound oblivious to the plan their muslim president has for these terrorists. Their conviction and punishment is of no concern. He could not care less. The whole point of these show trials is to have daily reports in the MSM on the cruelties these poor defenseless muslims have endured at the hands of the evil Bush administration and the brutal American military. They hope these daily reports will play out over a period of years and years, with the goal of indoctrinating an entire generation of American kids with a clear message on the inhuman cruelty of Republicans and the U.S. military. Shorter term, their goal is to distract attention from a monumentally incompetent and corrupt regime, and to blunt any political opposition to its socialist initiatives. The anti-American press and the terrorists' weasel defense lawyers will do the Kenyan's work for him.

Pretty much.

Next anti-war counter demonstration I would like to carry a sign:

STOP THE TORTURE
Until I get my gloves on.

[The Village Idiot]

Was someone not paying attention??

"Was he mirandized?"

"Did they get fingerprints and witness statements properly?"

blah blah

The whole point of sending them to civilian court was to find him not guilty. To embarrass this country. The statements made are purposely made to make America look bad.

[diesel driver]

We can keep hoping... 

KSM and all the rest of the "prisioners" at Gitmo should have been lined up against a wall (after being "tortured"), and shot (for "trying to escape")....   

Then again, giving them all a length of rope (with the noose already tied on one end) and leaving them to do the "right" thing sounds good, too.... 

Anything to keep their muzzy asses out of the US....