War in South America??

[Attero Dominatus]

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nels25  (132 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Mar-04-08 02:09 PM
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War in South America??
   
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Help me understand what may be going to happen between Venezuela, Ecuador and Columbia.

I know we have been a great big pain to Chavez (including trying to engineer a coup in 2002).

still why would he want to start a war??

what would be his objectives??

What would/could be the unintended consequences of such a conflict??
A. Could/would it draw in other combatants??

I am simply not up to speed on that part of the world.

Help me to get an understanding.

Am not looking for flames, I really want to understand what could happen and how it could affect the US (not to mention how it may or may not impact the election, and primaries).

Thank You.

:dilemma:

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Warpy  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Mar-04-08 02:12 PM
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1. Colombian agents crossed the border into Ecuador
   
and assassinated a FARC leader. Troops are now massed along the border in both Venezuela and Ecuador. They haven't crossed the border, they're being kept there as a precaution. So far.

Right now, it looks like a prudent thing to do. As long as Colombia doesn't do anything else stupid, it will likely not escalate.

Ecuador and Venezuela have both recalled their diplomats from Colombia, as I understand it. It's a crisis, but not a shooting one.
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movonne  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Mar-04-08 02:20 PM
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3. With the bush bunch behind colombia...I think colombia will do
   
the stupid thing...they are just a aching for a fight with Chavaz...
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Is there anything you do not blame Bush for???

Richard D  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Mar-04-08 02:24 PM
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5. And then . . .
   
. . . the US backs Columbia against the evil socialist dictator who attacked one of our freedom fighting friends. All hell breaks out. People forget about Iraq, use destroys Venezuela and we get "our god given" oil back from them.

:tinfoilhat: or reality. Hope it's just tin foil hat.
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Warpy  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Mar-04-08 04:59 PM
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26. Since they're led by right wingers, they might
   
but the war will be on at least 2 fronts. It won't be a prudent thing for them to do.

Left wing governments are now better equipped to offer aid now. Colombia is becoming increasingly isolated in the region. With the US bogged down in two unwinnable wars on the other side of the planet, the help from this quarter will be severely limited.
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ringtailtooter  (62 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Mar-04-08 02:27 PM
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6. More 411 on S. AM.
   
Yahoo has a good story about the conflict.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080304/wl_afp/venezuelaco... ;_ylt=AliMgWDmrmzwcf72oqxNiMis0NUE


What's interesting is that Chavez gave money to FARC, America gave money to Colombia and Castro is accusing America of providing missiles and satellite guidance. Is BushCo. setting this up as another election diversion or an excuse to go after Chavez?
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You just cannot buy that kind of delusion.

nels25  (132 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Mar-04-08 02:40 PM
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10. What will we use??
   
I was under the impression that our forces are drawn way to thin to engage in another conflict.

we might be able to send a carrier group or 2 down there, but ground and tank forces??

Want to stay out of this!!

It looks like we had a hand in causing it to begin with.

We should not get involved.

:eyes:
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So you want an ally to fall victim to a communist dictator?

fexpat2000  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Mar-04-08 02:30 PM
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7. Nutshell: BushCo has ignored Latin America because
   
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 02:31 PM by sfexpat2000
they are obsessed with the Middle East. (Clinton did, too, actually)

During that time, democracy flowered and grew in Latin America.

American corporate interests hate that because it cuts into their profits.

Okay. So, BushCo basically bought the Colombian governmment, and they are using Colombia to strike back at left leaning government in South America: Venezuela, Ecuador, Peru, Argentina.

Chavez got involved with this because those four countries support each other against BushCo.

I expect everyone to stand down and that no hostilities will break out. But, BushCo and Colombia probably have just sentenced the hostages that FARC is holding to captivity because now FARC has no reason to trust the negotiating process.

And, btw, it helps BushCo and the Colombian government for those hostages to remain hostages. They have no interest in having them released.

And, btw 2, Colombian paramilitaries have in the past been planted inside Venezuela to try to off Chavez because he is obviously a leader against BushCo.

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CJCRANE  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Mar-04-08 02:32 PM
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8. Didn't see that coming!
   
Must be Plan B since the attack on Iran was stymied.
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sfexpat2000  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Mar-04-08 02:38 PM
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9. John Perkins (economic hitman) has said we'd be in Venezuela
   
if we weren't in Iraq.

I've been sincerely worried about Chavez's ability to stay alive on this planet for quite a while.
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nels25  (132 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Mar-04-08 02:45 PM
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12. Would the people of Venezuela
   
greet us any better than the people of Iraq (at least in Iraq's case we had solid proof that Saddam was a bit of a butcher)??

I am unaware of Chavez killing people in Venezuela just for his jollies (though I do understand he can be some what heavy handed with his police).

Still no reason to get drawn into or surreptitiously provoke a war.

:thumbsdown:
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A bit of a butcher??? You call someone who 200,000+ people murdered a "bit of a butcher"? 

sfexpat2000  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Mar-04-08 02:49 PM
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14. The corporati always toss up social issues as their excuses.
   
If Saddam was a butcher, he was our butcher. We had no problem with him until it became convenient.

Chavez has always been inconvenient for the corporati. They'll kill him as soon as they can.

It has nothing to do with the cr@p they say but with the bottom line.
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[mamacags]

sexfat should just go ahead and move down there to have her lips affixed to Chavez's ass right now.  Actually that is maybe 3 inches too far back from what she really wants.

[Attero Dominatus]

sexfat should just go ahead and move down there to have her lips affixed to Chavez's ass right now.  Actually that is maybe 3 inches too far back from what she really wants.

  

[BlueStateSaint]

sexfat should just go ahead and move down there to have her lips affixed to Chavez's ass right now.  Actually that is maybe 3 inches too far back from what she really wants.

Naah, mamacags, she wants what comes from Chavez' . . . Decorum requires that I don't type it.