Philosoraptor (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-15-09 04:24 PM
Original message http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7021258
WHY are the repubs SO concerned about an open trial for the 9-11 suspects?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/16/us/politics/16giulian...
Rudolph W. Giuliani, mayor of New York at the time of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, said on Sunday that the Obama administration’s decision to try Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the self-described mastermind of the attacks, in a civilian court in Manhattan would unnecessarily cost millions of dollars for security, create legal advantages for the defense and symbolically deny that the United States is at war with terrorism.
“It gives an unnecessary advantage to the terrorists and why would you want to give an advantage to the terrorists, and it poses risks for New York,†Mr. Giuliani said in an appearance on CNN’s “State of the Union.†He also interviewed on ABC’s “This Week†and “Fox News Sunday.â€
Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. announced on Friday that the United States would try Mr. Mohammed in the federal courthouse in lower Manhattan, just blocks from where the World Trade Center towers were brought down by the attacks, which killed almost 3,000 people in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. Mr. Holder said that a military commission would try five other detainees held at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, because they are accused of committing crimes overseas.
Mr. Giuliani, a former prosecutor whose national profile rose after Sept. 11, ran a short-lived campaign for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination and is being talked about as a leading prospect in the 2010 New York gubernatorial race. On “This Week,†Mr. Giuliani said that he would soon decide whether he would run for governor.
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WHY you ask? WHY have they hidden all the nine eleven suspects away from the public for all these years? WHY were they all denied fair trials like every other criminal? WHY?
Could it be that the previous bunch of gangsters in the White House have something to hide?
Or, it could be that the right knows the suspects will use every trick they can to have a show trial, and generally do all they can to destroy this country, even in the court room.
No sane person thinks that KSM will suddenly choose to play nice in the courtroom.
Having the trial in NYC makes a HUGE security problem.
and last...They are not criminals who deserve a fair trial.
Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-15-09 04:27 PM
Response to Original message
1. Because the defense lawyers,
if they have any skills at all, will be bringing up the torture issues.
and try to have the cases thrown out.
merh (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-15-09 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #1
10. The judge will have to make a legal determination, subject to
SCOTUS review, as to whether the legal memos were sufficient to authorize torture or if they violated the law. The judge will have to make a legal call as to whether the torture violated the rights of the accused and the laws of the US.
If the detainee cannot be tried because of the crimes of Bushco the citizens may well demand that bushco face charges.
(FYI - the geneva conventions provide that POWs can be held until the hostilities are over, they cannot be punished without a trial, without due process.)
of course, the terrorists are not covered by Geneva conventions...nor do they get US rights...although this administration will give it to them.
BanTheGOP (327 posts) Sun Nov-15-09 04:31 PM
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4. NO BRAINER...BUSH, CHENEY, and HALIBURTON WILL BE INDICTED FROM THE TRIAL!
I am writing a complete piece on my take on the trial, but I'm of the opinion that defense should subpoena EVERYONE involved in the republican crimes of torture, repression, and the
I would go SO FAR as to hope that, although the defendents may be guilty of their crimes, that jury members take note of ALL the crimes committed by BushCo. that they will, in fact, spur indictments against the republican thugs who pursued this crime in the first place. To that end, jury nullification should be the goal here.
This is a HUGE WIN for our progressive democratic movement, and will be the first nail in the coffin that will encase Bush, Cheney, and the other republicans who committed crimes that far exceed even the Nazi party in Germany. Pure and simple.
because politics takes points over security of the country.
sandnsea (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-15-09 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. It's frightening really
If they could really have their way, they'd make the holocaust a distant memory. It's just horrifying they can't hear themselves when they talk about wiping a whole ethnic/religious group off the planet.
not sure who the retard is talking about, but I bet it isn't islam.
BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-15-09 05:39 PM
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26. my impression is that this is mostly politics. They hate that it's being treated as a crime rather
Edited on Sun Nov-15-09 05:40 PM by BREMPRO
than a war where all their defense contractor and war profiteer get rich and give them a cut through campaign contributions. It's also about their concern that Holder is defusing the fear button they have built up over the years, making these detainees into-bigger than life monsters to suit their political strategies of fear-mongering. Using the trial in New York to instill more fear in people. It's also just to be contrary to anything that Obama and his administration do- to be in opposition for the sake of political points.
In a nutshell, that is the difference between the right and left. The left sees this as a crime, and US laws should take care of it. Same path Bill Clinton went on....and it went so well then, didn't it.
