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primitive being unneighborly
« on: November 15, 2009, 09:33:19 AM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=287x8093

Oh my.

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OnionPatch  (1000+ posts)      Sat Nov-14-09 02:23 PM
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Here we go again. Neighbor encroaching on public land again.

I wrote about this here last year some time. We've been doing home improvement on our place so I came to this forum a lot. Our property and our next-door neighbor's borders county park land. This is the main reason we bought our property. We searched for two years to find a place adjacent to a natural area that would not be developed.

A few years ago someone bought the house next door and immediately started bulldozing the entire place, bringing in construction equipment, etc. But since it was on their land, we just covered it by planting fast-growing trees on our common property line. It wasn't worth the conflict with the neighbors to turn them in for minor zoning violations.

But it's been three years now and the bulldozing has never stopped. And now they've decided their own property is not enough for them.....They've dumped about 50 dump-truck-loads of fill-dirt into the park property and built a parking lot big enough to store a semi-truck or more there!

This is without a question completely on park property. He knew where the property line was, there used to be a fence there when he moved in, right in line with our fence. It was quite clear. They keep an RV there right now and some truck trailers and equipment.

This construction parking lot is now the main view out of our bedroom window and much of our backyard, when we should be viewing natural woods and parkland. Would this be ok with any of you??!

We talked to authorities last spring and he was told to remove the stuff from the park's land, which he did for a few weeks, and then moved it all right back on.

Recently we talked to the park and the county again and the neighbors found out and are really furious with us. I guess it's our fault that they were caught stealing.

I'm wondering if any DUers have had similar experiences and what the issues might be between the park, the county and us? We're going to do everything in our power to have his parking lot removed. How much can he be fined? Can we be optimistic that he will be forced to remove his parking lot? I'm so furious I'm seeing red but have so far been able to keep from responding in kind to their threats and insults.

The defrocked warped primitive:

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Warpy  (1000+ posts)        Sat Nov-14-09 02:53 PM
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1. He can and should be fined for unauthorized use of public land. I think what he's hoping for is that his bulldozing and pad construction will constitute an easement and that a few year down the line, it will be his.

Check out your zoning, too, and make sure it's residential because it really sounds like they're using that place for commercial purposes. You might also have a wetlands problem with all the fill they dumped there.

If it's a county park and not a state or federal park, there's probably little you can do beyond making a stink. If your neighbor has connections or the means to buy connections, you are likely stuck and your own place will be unsellable.

As for the rancor, these people are thieves, as you put it. While arguments with neighbors are never pleasant, these people started off being bad neighbors and it can't get a whole lot worse.

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OnionPatch  (1000+ posts)      Sat Nov-14-09 04:46 PM
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2. It's a county park.

There are a lot of issues. I won't go into them all, but one is probably environmental because there is a permanent stream only about 100 yards downhill from where he did all this, and he filled in a dry wash that leads to the stream.

Our community is zoned residential/agricultural with minimum one-acre lots. Nearly everyone has orchards and farm animals, especially riding horses, because there is the park next door with equestrian trails and also a lot of national forest surrounding us. People do care about keeping it nice and natural around here. The park and the county both seem to want to do something about getting him off, and there are things in the works. I hope they turn out well. We hope to sell in a year or two, so if nothing else, I hope we can get him off the park land and keep him off until then. 

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CC  (1000+ posts)        Sat Nov-14-09 06:08 PM
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3. Since he already knows you turned him in and is already furious it might be time to take things public beyond reporting him. Write letters to the editor, call the local paper out. Point out the environmental impact but also point out that it is stealing from taxpayers and that the county elected officials are not working hard enough or fast enough to take back the taxpayers property. I bet a few people will get furious at him besides you.

Do you have photos of before, during and after? Share them with the public too.

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Wash. state Desk Jet  (1000+ posts)      Sat Nov-14-09 08:35 PM
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4. It might help to get organized.

Try contacting as many people in your area as possible and look into creating a co-op.Coalition. As it is you are locked into a dispute over public land with your neighbor and the county officials who are all operating under a slim under funded budget.

I don't think the RTD runs through your area, but as I recall all kinds of California issues were discussed on the RTD !That's the L.A. county public transportation .Such matters are a California concern of the people.

So, you need to contact community members in your locality. Because you can't take on your neighbor and the county yourself. You just can't go it alone. Leave there be no doubt a vast majority of people in your locality share your concerns about those who steal public land to expand their property and it's value.

Really never met a person from California who had little or no cern for the environment. And your issues belong to the public really.

You got a phone book and a computer. And right there are two basic tools to get started.

Print up some flyer's and get the ball rolling. Invest in some stamps.

Get some phone numbers circulating.

Let your neighbors get involved.

You can do it.

Good luck with your project.

Oh, I dunno.

I think the scenic-hoarding primitive is being selfish.
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Re: primitive being unneighborly
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2009, 09:36:09 AM »
Call ACORN!
When you are the beneficiary of someone’s kindness and generosity, it produces a sense of gratitude and community.

When you are the beneficiary of a policy that steals from someone and gives it to you in return for your vote, it produces a sense of entitlement and dependency.

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Re: primitive being unneighborly
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2009, 11:20:13 AM »
Dear DUmmies--do you bother to see what the land AROUND you is zoned, just in case?  Sure, there might be a park on ONE side of you, but what of the other three?
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Re: primitive being unneighborly
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2009, 11:24:58 AM »
Call ACORN!

Make them conduct an environmental impact survey.  That will teach them. :whatever:
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