primitives discuss diets, weight loss

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.org/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7016970

Oh my.

It's a really big bonfire, but the Vegas blimp didn't show, alas.

shraby (1000+ posts)        Sat Nov-14-09 08:48 PM
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Considering the thousands of diets, and weight loss programs that people try one after the other, if any of them worked, most people would be at an "ideal" weight. Not too many people WANT to be overweight, but after dieting almost all of their adult lives, very few have achieved their goal and stayed there.

The only ones who are actually successful are the ones who concoct the diet/weight loss programs. It's time for science/doctors to go back to the drawing board and really find out why some people gain weight and can't keep it off for any period of time and others have no weight problems whatsoever no matter what or how much they eat.

I watched my grandmother, my mother and various relatives and friends diet all their lives and were pretty much the same when they died as when they started. Not early deaths, either, both Mom and G'ma were in their 80's.

The bonfire's so big I overloaded the boat in bringing primitive comments over here, and that load wasn't even a fraction of the primitive comments.

JonQ (1000+ posts)      Sat Nov-14-09 08:52 PM
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1. Temporary fad diets don't work at least not in the long term.

Permanent changes to your lifestyle do. But those are more difficult and don't offer the "quick fix then I can go back to doing whatever made me fat in the first place" solution that people want.

shraby (1000+ posts)        Sat Nov-14-09 08:57 PM
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4. I saw my grandmother and mother diet all their lives

not fad diets, but permanent "watch what they ate" type dieting. Never worked. The weight just wouldn't stay off. Both were very active people..Mom farmed, canned, had animals to take care of besides me and my brothers and worked a job besides.
My Grandmother helped run a grocery store they owned, when they left that, she helped run a farm, animals, garden, canning, the whole ball of wax until my Grandfather died then she sold the farm, moved to town and went got a job. Both were smart enough to know fad diets weren't successful for the long term.

JonQ (1000+ posts)      Sat Nov-14-09 09:43 PM
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22. Without knowing the details I can't really comment 

but it is a fact that if caloric intake is less than expended you will lose weight. It's possible they weren't watching their weight as well as they thought or were less active than they appeared, or ate things they considered healthy but weren't.

It's well established that in countries with a different, healthier diet than here where people are generally more active obesity is not much of an issue. Which would suggest diet and lifestyle are the most important, and changeable factors.

alfredo  (1000+ posts)        Sat Nov-14-09 11:37 PM
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44. So true. You really have to change your relationship with food. That is a major change in your life.

But the primitives don't want to change their "relationship" with food.

bobbolink  (1000+ posts)        Sat Nov-14-09 08:53 PM
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2. My mother solved the problem.

I finally realized that she is anorexic.

XemaSab  (1000+ posts)        Sat Nov-14-09 08:56 PM
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3. I think it's more of a cultural issue than anything

If it's up to me, I can eat a low-carb diet and lose weight.

My friends and my family, however, do not support me in this.

bobbolink  (1000+ posts)        Sat Nov-14-09 09:35 PM
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15. And then you get the crap from those who want you to keep meat out of your diet.

XemaSab  (1000+ posts)        Sat Nov-14-09 09:36 PM
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16. I'm mostly v****e

bobbolink  (1000+ posts)        Sat Nov-14-09 09:41 PM
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19. I don't see how you can do that and be high protein, but whatever works.

I'm just tired of people judging and telling others what to do.

Especially for those of us who are poor and have very few choices.

There's several primitive brawls at this bonfire.

[thundley4]

It's time for science/doctors to go back to the drawing board and really find out why some people gain weight and can't keep it off for any period of time and others have no weight problems whatsoever no matter what or how much they eat.

Metabolism and activity levels play a large part in why some people never get fat.  As for why so many people fail to lose weight and keep it off is because they go on diets. They go on a diet, lose some weight, and go back to their old bad habits and gain back the weight.  People don't need diets, they need lifestyle changes to keep the weight off.

[miskie]

Metabolism and activity levels play a large part in why some people never get fat.  As for why so many people fail to lose weight and keep it off is because they go on diets. They go on a diet, lose some weight, and go back to their old bad habits and gain back the weight.  People don't need diets, they need lifestyle changes to keep the weight off.

That is it, plain and simple - Hell, I could lose a few pounds myself because at this point Input > Output. The older I get, the less food I metabolize, so I need to keep reducing what I consume to match, or increase activity to burn more off, or both. Its simple math.

I suspect this is the same basic fact for 99% of people out there. - But far too many people are looking for the instant fix.

[JohnnyReb]

After reading the crazy's at the DUmp for several years now, I'm ready to put them all on the Adolf Hitler Nazi Reverse Diet Plan.....it beats the system we have now. The one we have now, we feed the DUmmies and they don't work. Hitler did the reverse, they worked and he didn't feed them.

[Freeper]

Soon we will be on the Obama diet so much of our money will be going to taxes that we cant afford to eat much.

[JohnnyReb]

Soon we will be on the Obama diet so much of our money will be going to taxes that we cant afford to eat much.

Maybe the North Koreans will share their recipes for grass....(....and for any lurking DUmmies, that's not the smoking kind).

[GOBUCKS]

bobbolink  (1000+ posts)        Sat Nov-14-09 09:35 PM
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15. And then you get the crap from those who want you to keep meat out of your diet.

The worthless, smelly, wino DUmmy bobbolink, who lives in the front seat of a '87 Buick, is talking about a meat diet? The people of Colorado are apparently far more generous with tax dollars than they should be.

[BlueStateSaint]

The worthless, smelly, wino DUmmy bobbolink, who lives in the front seat of a '87 Buick, is talking about a meat diet? The people of Colorado are apparently far more generous with tax dollars than they should be.

Mice and rats are meat . . .