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diet cola primitive stiffs a waitress
« on: November 14, 2009, 08:06:49 AM »
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Oh my.

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Tab  (1000+ posts)        Thu Nov-05-09 06:18 PM
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Back from hosp again, and short story on tips - has this happened to you?
 
First, I'm back from an overnight stay at the hospital again, every cardiac test you can think of (due to a reaction from chemo) but I've got a clean slate. I also supposedly have a job (yay!) that seems to be officially true - start date is set, hourly rate being finalized, everything else being put into place.

So, the tip story - I'm generally a generous tipper - usually 15 to 20%, often 20%, an exceptional (really exceptional - few but far between) meal I'll even go to 30% or so. Same with little things at diners - a $3 order might get a $1 tip because what the heck and they work hard. Overpriced food or beverages I undertip for, more for what I "think" it should be, and I have no qualms about undertipping (and the rare no-tip) for truly horrible service, but that's rare.

Anyway, my wife and I ate at the Siam Orchid, a Thai place, in Nashua, NH. They have one in Concord, and it's always been excellent. I didn't know they had expanded, but apparently they did, so we ate there for lunch.

The bill was kind of high - $43 (including tax, which we ignore when tipping); it turns out my lunch special did not have a price listed and they wanted $17.95 for it (most dishes are $8.95 to $12.95). My wife was paying and thought this was a bit high, and so she left a $5 tip instead of a $6 tip.

She gets up to go, I'm getting my stuff (jacket, whatever) together, the waitress zooms in for the check instead of waiting. I cynically wonder if she's looking at her tip. Well, she was. The check was served on one of those card plates; printed on the plate (under the check) is a list of information for "international travelers" including customs, how it's "done in America", and among other things, "How to tip".

Well, she stops me, and points this out on the plate, and the plate suggests that 15% to 20% is suggested. Ours, of course, clocked in at about 12% this time. My wife, who signed the check, wanted to know what was going on. I explained that the waitress wanted a bigger tip.

We both were somewhat flummoxed - I have never had this happen before. Even if they might go off grumbling (rarely happens) I've never had one approach insisting on a larger tip. I explained that it was a gratuity and it represents what was deserved and we thought it was appropriate given the circumstances and left.

On my way out I was thinking I should have said "you're right, this needs to be corrected", and then correct it down to $2 or something, but I wasn't thinking that fast. I did email the owner, but haven't heard back. Even if we had left nothing, it would have been inappropriate on her part - at most she could have said that she saw there was no tip and was wondering if we were dissatisfied with the service, but we didn't leave nothing, we just left $5 instead of $6. I thought it was ridiculous for her to have done that.

Anyone else come across that? Any front-house people ever find a situation where you wanted to confront the customer over the tip? What happened?

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EFerrari  (1000+ posts)        Thu Nov-05-09 07:11 PM
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1. Definitely out of bounds.

She needs to go back for regrooving.

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kestrel91316  (1000+ posts)        Thu Nov-05-09 08:22 PM
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2. The server was completely out of line. How bizarre of her.

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Warpy  (1000+ posts)        Thu Nov-05-09 08:42 PM
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3. That was bizarre and unless she's a relative, too often true, the owner should be notified. Anyone she confronts is never going to go back, including you.

Five bucks for a simple lunch service for two is a decent tip, period. If she'd been running back and forth with multiple drink orders, that might have been different.

But, no, the most confrontation you should have endured was a muttered "cheap bastards" as you were exiting the door.

Since she confronted you, she simply proved she was worth the lowest end of the tip range.

I'm sorry she made you feel bad, but she was really out of line.

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Coyote_Bandit  (1000+ posts)        Thu Nov-05-09 11:39 PM
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4. Gratuities are intended to recognize and reward good service - and the most important part of that IMHO is attitude.

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ginnyinWI  (1000+ posts)        Fri Nov-06-09 01:20 AM
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5. the boss should be horrified.

this is an excellent way to get the customer to never come back! I wouldn't.

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sazemisery  (1000+ posts)        Fri Nov-06-09 08:39 AM
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6. Tips aside.....Congrats!

On your health! On your new Job! Good to hear from you.

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hippywife (1000+ posts)        Fri Nov-06-09 11:11 AM
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7. Glad to hear from you and that nothing serious was detected. And a job! Wow! That is cause for celebration, too!

I waited tables many years in my yute, and again when I first moved down here 12 years ago, just to get a feel for the people of my new town while I decided what I wanted to do. I never, ever would have dreamed doing what she did. Maybe the fact that it was in writing on the check tray made her mistakenly feel she had license to do so. Heck if I would have done that every time I got shorted, I would have done little else since Tulsans turned out to be really tip ignorant for the most part.

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Gormy Cuss  (1000+ posts)      Fri Nov-06-09 12:29 PM
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8. Congrats on your good medical news. 

The waitress was completely out of line, but I'm scratching my head at the idea that she should have been penalized because the special cost more than you expected. If the price isn't posted I always ask before ordering -- too often the "specials" are costlier than typical entrees.

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yellerpup  (1000+ posts)        Sat Nov-07-09 05:33 PM
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9. Wow, you have so much to celebrate!

Too bad that on the day you got the good news, you ended up having such an upsetting (bewildering) encounter with a desperate person. Do you suppose she's working on commission only? Of course she was out of line in a major way and certainly you didn't deserve such treatment. She's scared and angry about something that has nothing to do with you. Really, why go ballistic over a buck?

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troubleinwinter  (1000+ posts)        Sat Nov-14-09 02:58 AM
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12. We had the opposite problem.

In Beijing, tipping is not generally done. About 6 years ago in China, we went to a wonderful mid-range Mongolian-style restaurant, with great food & service. We tucked the tip under the edge of the plate and left. We were nearly all the way down the block when the waiter came RUNNING after us, caught up and told my traveling companion (who is fluent in Mandarin) that he would not accept it. My friend would not take it back, explaining that it was a gift of gratitude for such good food and service. No! The waiter put it in my companion's shirt pocket and jogged quickly away.

Speaking of Mongolians... We had made friends with the door man of our small hotel, and asked him where HE liked to eat. He directed us to a little low-rent hole-in-the-wall joint on a nearby narrow side street. Inside the door was a giant cauldron of simmering fragrant rich broth, with whole fishes wrapped in woven reed mats sewn closed with skewers. I don't think they ever changed the broth over decades, but just kept adding fish and kept it simmering.

As I said, my friend reads and speaks the language and I said, "OK, so read me the menu." He said, "Well, most of it won't do any good. There are things like 'Sky Flower of Bees Ears', 'Duck Penis On Pearls', and so on." So we decided to get something that we didn't know what it was, get one recommendation from the waiter, and a dish that we KNEW what it was, and one of those whole fish from the cauldron. It was all wonderful, even the one that we still didn't know quite what it was after we'd eaten it. I'd give anything for one of those fish again.

There were two Mongolian men and one woman at a table. In front of them, they each had a quart of beer, and they had two quarts of what I call 'Chinese Fire Water', a clear distilled rice booze similar to vodka, but of much higher alcohol content. During their dinner, they pretty much polished off the beverages, but what amazed me was that all three smoked cigarettes constantly all through eating. I'm a smoker, but not WHILE I eat. I think Mongolian men and women are very hardy people.
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Re: diet cola primitive stiffs a waitress
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2009, 08:09:57 AM »
Actually what happened is they did a dine and dash then got caught.
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Re: diet cola primitive stiffs a waitress
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2009, 08:14:41 AM »
Government should pass a "Minimum Tip Law"....or a "Living Tip law."

Hey, just thinking like a DUmmie.
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Re: diet cola primitive stiffs a waitress
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2009, 08:16:25 AM »
Government should pass a "Minimum Tip Law"....or a "Living Tip law."

Hey, just thinking like a DUmmie.

shhhh Obama may like that idea.
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Re: diet cola primitive stiffs a waitress
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2009, 08:25:53 AM »
What, she wasn't still wearing a "McCain/Palin" button, too?  Where's the love for service employees?

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Re: diet cola primitive stiffs a waitress
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2009, 09:43:59 AM »
Another DUmmy has pegged the BS meter. It's amazing that these adventures never happen to normal people.

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Re: diet cola primitive stiffs a waitress
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2009, 09:56:31 AM »
shhhh Obama may like that idea.

We take the tax as a sign on how to tip, slow hours we tip twice the tax, rounded out to next dollar---around 16%-

Busy times we triple the tax.

We have found we must check the bill as we have ignored the gratuity included and left a tip on top of the billed tip.

Allot depends on the time we take up a table, just us 2, 45-60 minutes.  4 or more 60-90 minutes. The more time we take the more money we tip.


Then the problem of what to do when there is a slow day and the servers ignore you, come over as you have food in your mouth and ask if all is OK observe you in a close conversation and interrupt you.    Big No-No in my book.     After the meal is one thing, in the middle of a mouth full=====repulsive.

Serving is an art, I was never able to do that work, carry 20 pounds on a tray or put up with crazy people.

A good server learns to watch their tables and know when to move in, when to move back and when to go invisible.     Yes the glass is full, bread basket full, where did that come from the customer wonders.

Good servers are a thing of the past, if the customer is woofing down their dinner and in conversation, why do some servers need to feel a need to interrupt the diners.?

Crap, one spends mega-bucks to dine outside their home. The servers are to be invisible, you sit there and expect to be receive your food on time, well cooked. If there is a problem then one must signal the wait staff  to call the Chief . for whatever.

I could give a rats ass the name of the person who Carry's a heavy tray to my table, for the amount of money I am paying I expect it to arrive on time well cooked.

When Hubby and I dine out at any restaurant, I have been known to over tip due to the wait staff anticipating our needs. No way do I want to even communicate with the staff except for the order.    

Color me effete but when we spend $80-100  per person for a dinner, I expect service not interruptions. introductions, or anything from the wait staff.

 If I am in a city where I am new, then I have the choice to speak to the staff, where to get tickets for a show or where they suggest I go for a tour.  

The wait staff has no business asking me if I do not ask about anything but the menu and how I wish it.

Rule number one for people new to wait staff, watch the table but never intrude on the customers, unless they are waving their hands in the air for attention.    Don't talk to them unless they start the conversation, or have a request.

Remain as invisible as you can just anticipate their needs, darn, if I wanted to spend big bucks on a meal I would not go to grandmas where every word out of their mouth was---do you like this.   If the food is not up to par, talk to the chief, not the server.







  




 

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Re: diet cola primitive stiffs a waitress
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2009, 10:18:12 AM »
Newsflash to DUmmies:

15-20 percent is not a "good" tipper.  That's average.  GOOD is pushing 25 percent.  And one takes into consideration the ENTIRE bill, including any taxes, when calculating the tip.  I NEVER tip less than 15 percent.  EVER.  Case in point.  I had dinner at a Mexican place last night (also in NH.)  It sucked.  The beer was flat, the chimi was small and MICROWAVED, not fried, and the sauce on the chile relleno had little to no spice in it.  The total bill was $18.82.  I left $22, for a tip of just under 17 percent.  Why screw over the waitstaff because FOOD sucks or you don't like the price they're charging?

I mean, ya'll are aware of the fact that these people make LESS than minimum wage because they are tipped employees, right?  And that they are taxed (thanks to your hero Billy Jeff) based not on the amount they're tipped, but the amount they SELL?  IOW, if you stiff a server or bartender, they still have to pay the taxes of YOUR bill, meaning they just LOST money to come to work, you ****wads!

While I too also work part-time in a job that relies heavily in tips, I don't EVER bitch about how much they tipped to the customer, although we might grouse about it amongst fellow employees.

Basically, TAB, just come to the conclusion and accept the fact that you ARE a cheap ****er, and we'll all be the better for it.
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Re: diet cola primitive stiffs a waitress
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2009, 10:28:53 AM »
My step-father was a real jack ass. His theory was that one dollar per diner was the maximum tip that should ever be left.

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Re: diet cola primitive stiffs a waitress
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2009, 10:34:39 AM »
Maybe the DUmmy needs one of Morty Seinfeld's tip calculators.

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Re: diet cola primitive stiffs a waitress
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2009, 10:40:24 AM »
Who's got $43 to blow on lunch in this Oconomy!!! :-)

And more importantly, I wonder if the primitive Tab likes his healthcare the way it is? He may be in for a rude awakening once Obumblecare takes effect.
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Re: diet cola primitive stiffs a waitress
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2009, 10:47:11 AM »
Who's got $43 to blow on lunch in this Oconomy!!!

You probably realize that the purpose of this post had nothing to do with the imaginary tip conflict. It was to brag to the other DUmmies that he could spend that much on a lunch. It was a greenbriaresque bouncy.

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Re: diet cola primitive stiffs a waitress
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2009, 10:49:43 AM »
$43 for LUNCH for two, in NH?  You really have to work to find someplace that expensive.  Even for dinner, one can get in and out of a major chain place (Outback, Olive Garden, etc.,) for two people for well under that--tax and tip included.
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Re: diet cola primitive stiffs a waitress
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2009, 01:48:39 PM »
You probably realize that the purpose of this post had nothing to do with the imaginary tip conflict. It was to brag to the other DUmmies that he could spend that much on a lunch. It was a greenbriaresque bouncy.

So, then--it was a "greency?" :tongue:
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Re: diet cola primitive stiffs a waitress
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2009, 02:43:27 PM »
I'm confused...

The DU poster only likes sharing the wealth when it's not his????

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Re: diet cola primitive stiffs a waitress
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2009, 04:00:20 PM »
Who the  :censored: bothers to deduct the tax before figuring the tip?   I mostly go with 15% for service, but more if it's good service. Tips in a bar were well over 15% when I still drank.