Author Topic: Hoffman gains on Owen.. 10K absentee ballots now to be counted (Read 14729 times)

jinxmchue · « **Reply #25 on:** November 12, 2009, 09:44:33 AM »

Quote from: Splashdown on November 12, 2009, 09:16:51 AM

I can't wait to hear the "Bush Stole Election" rhetoric over there in comparison to this story. I guarantee that's where their arguments will go.

Ask and ye shall receive:

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Posted by magus12
November 12, 2009, 9:01AM

Snort. Treason? Thanks for the laugh. How about 2000 when Bush was appointed by the reactionary U.S. Supreme Court after brother Jeb scrubbed the Florida voter rolls of people who were never felons? Or the 2004 election he stole thanks to Karl Rove and the Ohio Secretary of State who arranged that entire precincts that go Democratic were left without voting machines or machines that "mysteriously" converted Kerry votes to Bush? Even that wasn't treason. It was just plain felonious.

Splashdown · « **Reply #26 on:** November 12, 2009, 09:45:55 AM »

Quote from: jinxmchue on November 12, 2009, 09:44:33 AM

Ask and ye shall receive:

Wow. That didn't take long. Any discussion that, after all the votes were counted by every news organization on the planet, BUSH STILL WON?????

jinxmchue · « **Reply #27 on:** November 12, 2009, 09:48:52 AM »

Quote from: TxRadioguy on November 12, 2009, 09:15:59 AM

Ok I'm curious here...has the election even been certified by the NY SecState or board of elections or whom ever says "this election is official"?

Not certified. Not official.

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If it hasn't recieved the official stamp of approval why was Owens even sworn in?

Why do you think? Bela Pelosi and the rest of the Democrats are liars and cheats.

Odin's Hand · « **Reply #28 on:** November 12, 2009, 09:49:27 AM »

Quote from: Splashdown on November 12, 2009, 09:45:55 AM

Wow. That didn't take long. Any discussion that, after all the votes were counted by every news organization on the planet, BUSH STILL WON?????

An easy explanation for that...It's the Right-Wing MSM...for instance, CNN and NBC.

Karin · « **Reply #29 on:** November 12, 2009, 09:52:13 AM »

Wow! Here I was just doing some boring accounting work, and I decided to pop over to CC to see what's up for a sec. Local news has no further analysis than the link at this time. I'll listen to the local radio show from the mayor (an independent/libertarian) and see what he says.

I agree that Hoffman conceded too soon. He had some experienced staffers, so it was puzzling. That's a lot of absentee ballots, and a lot of those were military.

jinxmchue · « **Reply #30 on:** November 12, 2009, 09:53:15 AM »

Quote from: Splashdown on November 12, 2009, 09:45:55 AM

Wow. That didn't take long. Any discussion that, after all the votes were counted by every news organization on the planet, BUSH STILL WON?????

Yep.

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Posted by rustyschucklefurd
November 12, 2009, 10:29AM

The claim that "Bush stole the 2000/2004 elections" is a total myth. It has been proven to be totally bogus by every major media (even CNN, ABC, CNBC, MSNBC). All the media went to Florida after the 2000 election and also did the same for Michigan in 2004 HOPING to find evidence to support the "stolen election" claim. They found zip. If they had you can be sure they would have howled about it non-stop.

Posted by pergammon
November 12, 2009, 10:49AM

People like Magus don't care about facts. Neither do they care about counting every vote as they constantly pontificate.

That last one is me. (Got the login from bugmenot.com.)

jinxmchue · « **Reply #31 on:** November 12, 2009, 10:07:04 AM »

Holy cow! Here's all of magus12's posts on that website:

http://connect.syracuse.com/user/magus12/index.html

The guy(?) has got to be a DUmmy. I asked on the site, but I doubt he'll respond.

Thor · « **Reply #32 on:** November 12, 2009, 10:25:21 AM »

Quote from: Happy Fun Ball on November 12, 2009, 08:56:23 AM

Oh sure, now we get the absentee ballots counted, after the damage has been done (health care bill). This absentee ballot thing seems to be the cause of more headaches and controversy... How about we just do away with them and instead make elections last for about a week or so instead of just one day?

And just what do you do to aid the military folks or other people who can't make it to the polls during that week?? What I think is that we ought not to publish the election results until ALL ballots are counted and make SURE that ALL ballots are counted, including the absentee ballots.

franksolich · « **Reply #33 on:** November 12, 2009, 10:35:19 AM »

Okay, now this very same story is red on Drudge.

The last I checked, it had been black.

Maybe the primitives will notice it now.

Happy Fun Ball · « **Reply #34 on:** November 12, 2009, 10:37:13 AM »

Quote from: Thor on November 12, 2009, 10:25:21 AM

And just what do you do to aid the military folks or other people who can't make it to the polls during that week?? What I think is that we ought not to publish the election results until ALL ballots are counted and make SURE that ALL ballots are counted, including the absentee ballots.

Yeah, that's the one major flaw in my crazy idea. Still, there does need to be some kind of change to eliminate all of these problems. Maybe they shouldn't start counting any of the votes until after the all absentee ballots are in instead of immediately after the polls close.

thundley4 · « **Reply #35 on:** November 12, 2009, 10:48:10 AM »

Quote from: franksolich on November 12, 2009, 10:35:19 AM

Okay, now this very same story is red on Drudge.

The last I checked, it had been black.

Maybe the primitives will notice it now.

They have noticed and the thread was quickly moved from the "latest breaking" to "election reform". http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x514501

Why ? Are the mods trying to hide the news?

jinxmchue · « **Reply #36 on:** November 12, 2009, 11:03:00 AM »

Quote from: thundley4 on November 12, 2009, 10:48:10 AM

They have noticed and the thread was quickly moved from the "latest breaking" to "election reform". http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x514501

Why ? Are the mods trying to hide the news?

Because its embarrassing and they know the DUmmies will do a 180 from their position in 2000.

"But Owens is already sworn in! The recount doesn't matter!"

jinxmchue · « **Reply #37 on:** November 12, 2009, 11:47:22 AM »

Special Keith should be very interesting tonight.

debk · « **Reply #38 on:** November 12, 2009, 11:57:47 AM »

Quote from: jinxmchue on November 12, 2009, 11:47:22 AM

Special Keith should be very interesting tonight.

So should Beck....

I seem to remember hearing that some Dems were regretting their vote earlier in the week. It had to have been Fox interviews....but I can't remember details.....

Maybe it's just wishful thinking.....

Karin · « **Reply #39 on:** November 12, 2009, 12:18:37 PM »

Not much word on the local front. Just people going "Hmmmm.....Hmmmmm."

formerlurker · « **Reply #40 on:** November 12, 2009, 12:58:28 PM »

Quote from: franksolich on November 12, 2009, 10:35:19 AM

Okay, now this very same story is red on Drudge.

The last I checked, it had been black.

Maybe the primitives will notice it now.

Great move getting it to him Frank for the exposure -- Beck should cover this today hopefully.

Hawkgirl · « **Reply #41 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:30:03 PM »

So the lesson here is...NEVER concede to a democrat until ALL votes are counted!

DumbAss Tanker · « **Reply #42 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:53:05 PM »

I don't believe concession has any legal significance, it merely indicates an early acknowledgement of the probable outcome...and that there will not be a contest of the counted votes, as things stand at that point.
There are modern examples of concessions being withdrawn when the fortunes appeared to change in the late stages of voting, as I recall...did not manbearpig do something of the sort?

franksolich · « **Reply #43 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:29:57 PM »

I dunno what happened to my comment, but it seems to have evaporated.

My wisest, most insightful, comments seem to have a habit of doing that.

Anyway, there's not much one can hope for no matter the final official count of the ballots.

The House of Representatives chooses its own members.

Usually the House accedes to the popular vote, but there have been exceptions.

There was one, in Indiana, in the late 1970s or early 1980s, where the Democrat candidate was seated in the House as the legitimate congressman even though the Republican candidate had won the election. I disremember who that was, but remember all too well Tipsy O'Neill saying the House, not the voters, had the final say on who got into their club.

One can see--and expects--Bela Pelosi doing the same thing.

But whatever, it's going to be a good show to watch anyway.

formerlurker · « **Reply #44 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:36:29 PM »

Quote from: franksolich on November 12, 2009, 05:29:57 PM

I dunno what happened to my comment, but it seems to have evaporated.

My wisest, most insightful, comments seem to have a habit of doing that.

Anyway, there's not much one can hope for no matter the final official count of the ballots.

The House of Representatives chooses its own members.

Usually the House accedes to the popular vote, but there have been exceptions.

There was one, in Indiana, in the late 1970s or early 1980s, where the Democrat candidate was seated in the House as the legitimate congressman even though the Republican candidate had won the election. I disremember who that was, but remember all too well Tipsy O'Neill saying the House, not the voters, had the final say on who got into their club.

One can see--and expects--Bela Pelosi doing the same thing.

But whatever, it's going to be a good show to watch anyway.

The state of Indiania had certified the results in that example (with erroneous data). There is a difference as it prompted Congress to call for their own recount.

NY has not certified the results, and as such Congress has no recourse to circumvent the state's election results. If Pelosi refuses to seat Hoffman (should he win) it can and probably will go to SCOTUS with Congress losing.

thundley4 · « **Reply #45 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:39:56 PM »

Quote from: formerlurker on November 12, 2009, 05:36:29 PM

The state of Indiania had certified the results in that example (with erroneous data). There is a difference as it prompted Congress to call for their own recount.

NY has not certified the results, and as such Congress has no recourse to circumvent the state's election results. If Pelosi refuses to seat Hoffman (should he win) it can and probably will go to SCOTUS with Congress losing.

If Hoffman wins and the DimRats try any shenanigans with Pelosi leading their actions, that would spell doom for the Dimrats during next years elections. IMO She has little support among the general populace and people know the only way to unseat her is to rid the HOR of the Dimrat majority.

franksolich · « **Reply #46 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:40:12 PM »

Quote from: formerlurker on November 12, 2009, 05:36:29 PM

The state of Indiana had certified the results in that example (with erroneous data). There is a difference as it prompted Congress to call for their own recount.

Do you by chance remember who that was, madam?

I also remember a long-time liberal Democrat congressman from Indiana getting upset by a Republican--I think this was during the 1980 Reagan landslide--and the guy had a cow about it for years. But that wasn't anything to do with this case.

formerlurker · « **Reply #47 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:43:49 PM »

Quote from: franksolich on November 12, 2009, 05:40:12 PM

Do you by chance remember who that was, madam?

I also remember a long-time liberal Democrat congressman from Indiana getting upset by a Republican--I think this was during the 1980 Reagan landslide--and the guy had a cow about it for years. But that wasn't anything to do with this case.

1984. McIntyre is the one who won, but McCloskey was seated.

formerlurker · « **Reply #48 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:45:45 PM »

Quote from: thundley4 on November 12, 2009, 05:39:56 PM

If Hoffman wins and the DimRats try any shenanigans with Pelosi leading their actions, that would spell doom for the Dimrats during next years elections. IMO She has little support among the general populace and people know the only way to unseat her is to rid the HOR of the Dimrat majority.

Good point. She pushes it, she could lose her position as House leader.

franksolich · « **Reply #49 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:46:13 PM »

Quote from: formerlurker on November 12, 2009, 05:43:49 PM

1984. McIntyre is the one who won, but McCloskey was seated.

Thank you much, madam.

I ripped out a large number of brain-cells trying to remember, but failed.

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Author Topic: Hoffman gains on Owen.. 10K absentee ballots now to be counted (Read 14729 times)