"Earth Liberation Front" strikes in Washington State

[Chris_]

Wikipedia? Oh please.    Let me tell you something, TNO.   When even colleges, the liberal bastions that they are, don't want their students using Wikipedia as a source (My English prof went on a long rant about the site a couple of weeks ago), that should tell you something about the legitimacy of that site. 

[Crazy Horse]

I can say that's all I found. I also found a refrence to three confirmed deaths, though nothing from that.

Well, put up your reference.

Reading comprehension a problem with you??

[The Night Owl]

Wikipedia? Oh please.    Let me tell you something, TNO.   When even colleges, the liberal bastions that they are, don't want their students using Wikipedia as a source (My English prof went on a long rant about the site a couple of weeks ago), that should tell you something about the legitimacy of that site. 

Feel free to refute any information in the Wiki entry on tree spiking.

[Lauri]

and here is the money shot i just read in the article above..

Waters, who grew up outside of Philadelphia, attended The Evergreen State College.

 boy, i sure didnt see that coming.. 

seems to be endemic.......I wonder how many Evergreen State students are in fact FBI agents.

the rest of the country doesnt get the embarassing news out of that college very often, but we here in the Emerald City are ever so proud.  

and and just for extra info ... Kevin Bacon sent his kid there last year.

[The Night Owl]

I can say that's all I found. I also found a refrence to three confirmed deaths, though nothing from that.

Well, put up your reference.

Reading comprehension a problem with you??

Yes. I am having trouble comprehending what you wrote. You say you found a reference to three confirmed fatalities caused by tree spiking. What is this reference and what do you mean when you say that you have nothing from it?

[ReardenSteel]

Saying "some" doesn't back up your claim.

What do you expect? According to Owl, ELF does not target human beings. They merely target the idea that humans have the right to adopt nature to our needs (sustain ourselves) and the idea that humans have a right to private property. (the right to keep the fruits of those labors) That's how  pro-life they are. 

Well, I agree with some of what you're saying. I just think that even if we label ELF as being terrorist group, I don't think we should lump them together with terrorist groups which target human beings.

[Lauri]

Wikipedia? Oh please.    Let me tell you something, TNO.   When even colleges, the liberal bastions that they are, don't want their students using Wikipedia as a source (My English prof went on a long rant about the site a couple of weeks ago), that should tell you something about the legitimacy of that site. 

i'm not sure TNO knows what a wiki actually is ... but my husband made one for wireless at airports across the world and it became huge. granted, people add all the info themselves as they travel and NOBODY checks the veracity of their claims. its a self correcting tool, or is intended to be.

"intended" ... there's that word TNO loves so much.

[Crazy Horse]

I can say that's all I found. I also found a refrence to three confirmed deaths, though nothing from that.

Well, put up your reference.

Reading comprehension a problem with you??

Yes. I am having trouble comprehending what you wrote. You say you found a reference to three confirmed fatalities caused by tree spiking. What is this reference and what do you mean when you say that you have nothing from it?

I found a refrence to three deaths, yet I could find nothing more than the refrence, so nothing from that

[Chris_]

Wikipedia? Oh please.    Let me tell you something, TNO.   When even colleges, the liberal bastions that they are, don't want their students using Wikipedia as a source (My English prof went on a long rant about the site a couple of weeks ago), that should tell you something about the legitimacy of that site. 

i'm not sure TNO knows what a wiki actually is ... but my husband made one for wireless at airports across the world and it became huge. granted, people add all the info themselves as they travel and NOBODY checks the veracity of their claims. its a self correcting tool, or is intended to be.

"intended" ... there's that word TNO loves so much.

Hence why colleges don't like it too much.  Anything that can be edited in such a manner without veracity is something that can earn you an 'F' on a paper, especially where I am.

[Lauri]

Wikipedia? Oh please.    Let me tell you something, TNO.   When even colleges, the liberal bastions that they are, don't want their students using Wikipedia as a source (My English prof went on a long rant about the site a couple of weeks ago), that should tell you something about the legitimacy of that site. 

i'm not sure TNO knows what a wiki actually is ... but my husband made one for wireless at airports across the world and it became huge. granted, people add all the info themselves as they travel and NOBODY checks the veracity of their claims. its a self correcting tool, or is intended to be.

"intended" ... there's that word TNO loves so much.

Hence why colleges don't like it too much.  Anything that can be edited in such a manner without veracity is something that can earn you an 'F' on a paper, especially where I am.

yeah, if I were a professor, any Wiki wouldnt be acceptable to me...

[Chris_]

If tree spiking is done with the intent of trying to kill or harm people then it is not even close to being an effective way to do that. First of all, logging companies check trees with metal detectors before cutting into them. Second, chainsaws are equipped with chain guards to prevent the chains from injuring operators. Third, spikes are usually placed high above the point at which trees are cut. Fourth, groups which practice tree spiking warn logging companies about which areas are spiked.

You first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_spiking

Saying "some" doesn't back up your claim.

...and wiki is a pretty weak line of defense.

[Gary56]

Naivety isn't a trait owned by "children" and it must never be used as an excuse for malicious and violent behavior. I would suspect if we started using that as an excuse for actions the Klan used to take, you'd be up in arms.

The word naive is a synonym of the word childish.

Actually you would be wrong.  The word naive is NOT a synonym of the word childish.  Naive is lacking sophistication, while childish is immature.  Big difference.

Also, the anology using delicacy and sustenance is closer to being valid in that delicacy and sustenance are related words, not quite synonyms but related in that a delicacy is a type of sustenance. 

[The Night Owl]

Actually you would be wrong.  The word naive is NOT a synonym of the word childish.  Naive is lacking sophistication, while childish is immature.  Big difference.

According to Roget's New Millenium Thesaurus..

Main Entry:   childish
Part of Speech:   adjective
Definition:   immature
Synonyms:   baby, babyish, boyish, childlike, foolish, frivolous, girlish, green, imbecile, infantile, infantine, juvenile, kid stuff*, naive, pedomorphic, petty, prekindergarten, primitive, puerile, silly, simple, slow, soft, stupid, trifling, unsophisticated, weak, young, youthful
Antonyms:   adult, grown-up, mature, wise

http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/childish

What happened? Did you just guess that the word naive is not a synomym of the word childish? If so, you guessed wrong. What now? Are you going to argue that the thesaurus is wrong?

Also, the anology using delicacy and sustenance is closer to being valid in that delicacy and sustenance are related words, not quite synonyms but related in that a delicacy is a type of sustenance.

Feel free to point out any dictionary or thesaurus which lists the words delicacy and sustenance as being either synonyms of each other or related words. As far as I can tell, they are not...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/delicacy
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/delicacy
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/sustenance

[Rebel]

Main Entry:     delicacy
Part of Speech:     noun 2
Definition:     food
Synonyms:     ambrosia, banquet, bonne bouche, boodle, dainty, delight, dessert, feast, goody, indulgence, luxury, morsel, nectar, pleasure, rarity, regale, relish, savory, special, sweet, tidbit, treat

Main Entry:     sustenance
Part of Speech:     noun
Definition:     necessities
Synonyms:     aid, aliment, bacon*, bread*, comestible, daily bread*, eatables, edibles, food, keep, livelihood, maintenance, nourishment, nutrition, pap*, provender, provision, ration, refreshment, salt*, subsistence, support, victual, wherewithal
Antonyms:     extras

See any similarities?

[The Night Owl]

See any similarities?

That two words have similarities does not make them synonyms of each other.

[DixieBelle]

Mmmm....bacon!

Sorry! I couldnt' resist piling on the awesome ridiculousness!!!

[TheSarge]

That two words have similarities does not make them synonyms of each other.

Everybody...TNO that means you too...get back on the damn topic and quit letting TNO derail this thread with Bullsh*t red herrings...everyone else...quit taking the bait.

Otherwise this goes to fight club where you can girl fight over synonym and similarities all day long.

[Rebel]

Now TNO is acting like a f'n Jr. High Debate flunkee who doesn't understand cognitive reasoning.

[The Night Owl]

Did I screw up again?

[Attero Dominatus]

Did I screw up again?

[LC EFA]

I believe you are correct........and when a chainsaw that houses 120cc's of power with a 36" bar went flying by my head due to a spike out there in the great North West................yep nobody had any reaon to think or try to kill me, they were just deterring me

That's a monster chainsaw. Double the CC's and about an extra foot on my biggest saw.

I've hit a metal star-picket inside a tree before (the tree grew around it but that's besides the point) , If I hadn't have been doing a plunge cut, and had the chain bind inside the tree it'd  de-limb me just as easily as any tree.

People that put spikes in trees are intending for the people that process that tree to be injured / killed as a deterrent to cutting down more trees. Groups that do this type of activity, won't mark all the trees they've spiked and will generally only tell the company harvesting that area that some trees have been spiked, so that the spiked trees cannot be singled out and the remainder harvested around them.

Attempted murder and conspiracy attempted murder for the whole lot of em.

[Chris_]

I believe you are correct........and when a chainsaw that houses 120cc's of power with a 36" bar went flying by my head due to a spike out there in the great North West................yep nobody had any reaon to think or try to kill me, they were just deterring me

That's a monster chainsaw. Double the CC's and about an extra foot on my biggest saw.

I've hit a metal star-picket inside a tree before (the tree grew around it but that's besides the point) , If I hadn't have been doing a plunge cut, and had the chain bind inside the tree it'd  de-limb me just as easily as any tree.

People that put spikes in trees are intending for the people that process that tree to be injured / killed as a deterrent to cutting down more trees. Groups that do this type of activity, won't mark all the trees they've spiked and will generally only tell the company harvesting that area that some trees have been spiked, so that the spiked trees cannot be singled out and the remainder harvested around them.

Attempted murder and conspiracy attempted murder for the whole lot of em.

Don't you see?  Attempted murder is just that, an attempt.  That is why these people are only potentially dangerous and not really dangerous.  had someone been really killed, then they would graduate to "fairly dangerous."  And since I am super rich at 17 years old, property crimes are no big deal -- I'll pay for the damages myself. /TNO

[TheSarge]

Now TNO is acting like a f'n Jr. High Debate flunkee who doesn't understand cognitive reasoning.

He always does that whenever he's getting his ass handed to him in a debate or he gets backed into a corner he can't get out of.

[Crazy Horse]

I believe you are correct........and when a chainsaw that houses 120cc's of power with a 36" bar went flying by my head due to a spike out there in the great North West................yep nobody had any reaon to think or try to kill me, they were just deterring me

That's a monster chainsaw. Double the CC's and about an extra foot on my biggest saw.

I've hit a metal star-picket inside a tree before (the tree grew around it but that's besides the point) , If I hadn't have been doing a plunge cut, and had the chain bind inside the tree it'd  de-limb me just as easily as any tree.

People that put spikes in trees are intending for the people that process that tree to be injured / killed as a deterrent to cutting down more trees. Groups that do this type of activity, won't mark all the trees they've spiked and will generally only tell the company harvesting that area that some trees have been spiked, so that the spiked trees cannot be singled out and the remainder harvested around them.

Attempted murder and conspiracy attempted murder for the whole lot of em.

My smallest saw is 52cc's with a 20" bar and it's my limbing saw. My second biggest saw is 68cc's and I have a 28" and 32" bar for it.

[LC EFA]

My smallest saw is 52cc's with a 20" bar and it's my limbing saw. My second biggest saw is 68cc's and I have a 28" and 32" bar for it.

My general use saw is 48cc and 20" bar. I have a 30cc 12" , 10 foot , pole saw as well.

Course, they're just round the house saws, I don't harvest timber for a living or anything.