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A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« on: October 30, 2009, 07:32:11 AM »
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Fri Oct-30-09 04:56 AM
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A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health care "reform"
 **** all of you. That is all.
 

This is an interesting thread and some liberal truths come out.

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29. **** you idiot..
 Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 07:43 AM by sendero

... if age is not a part then young people refuse to pay into the system when they are healthy and then expect everyone else to pay for their care when they are older.

Some of you morons really think there is a free lunch. There is no free lunch and everyone needs to pay their share for health care EVERYONE.

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35. Those young people can not just refuse
 if they do, they will be punished with fines at the least. So let them all whine, we will simply attach their wages. And take their money. They will buy their insurance. They have to pay their share. The law will make them do so.

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21. If the government is going to pay for healthcare it should only go to productive members of society
 Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 06:52 AM by Jack_DeLeon
those who are of working age.

Sad as it is at a certain age living longer is really more of a luxury. Especially if you didnt take care of yourself during the earlier years of your life.

Adbot is hilarious but I don't know how to bring it over.

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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2009, 07:50:02 AM »
Wow...just wow.

Oldsters demanding everyone pay for them and youngsters saying eff you "I am paying for a lifetime of my own not whatever abuses you did to yourself"

Gotta love true lib me only values.
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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2009, 07:54:24 AM »
I agree with the Ponce de Leon primitive.

Why should I have to pay for the damages wrought on primitives due to the primitives' own voluntary bad choices?

I think if one makes bad choices, one should suffer.
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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2009, 08:05:50 AM »
In order to remain a truly free people we must accept a certain amount of shared cost to cover the "bad choices" of some of those among us.  We must be free to make some "bad choices" in spite of the cost to "government".  Honesty about some of these thing would go a long way to promote freedom. 

The free choice to purchase and smoke/use tobacco is a good example.  The taxes collected from the purchase of tobacco products more than pays its way in this nation, but we never hear about that truth.

     
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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2009, 08:08:49 AM »
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So let them all whine, we will simply attach their wages. And take their money.

Clearly willing to ignore the desire of others to keep their own money so he can...keep his own money.  A liberal being a moronic hypocrite.  Knock me over with a feather.
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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2009, 08:10:41 AM »
Quote from: Lord Undies on October 30, 2009, 08:05:50 AM
In order to remain a truly free people we must accept a certain amount of shared cost to cover the "bad choices" of some of those among us.  We must be free to make some "bad choices" in spite of the cost to "government".  Honesty about some of these thing would go a long way to promote freedom. 

The free choice to purchase and smoke/use tobacco is a good example.  The taxes collected from the purchase of tobacco products more than pays its way in this nation, but we never hear about that truth.

     

How does the decision to use tobacco cost the government (i.e. the public) anything?
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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2009, 08:12:17 AM »
Quote from: Carl on October 30, 2009, 07:50:02 AM
Wow...just wow.

Oldsters demanding everyone pay for them and youngsters saying eff you "I am paying for a lifetime of my own not whatever abuses you did to yourself"

Gotta love true lib me only values.

I can't wait until this Obamination comes before the SCOTUS.  Where does the Constitution say that you must buy health insurance, DUmb****s?
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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2009, 08:21:54 AM »
I wonder how they square this with believing that welfare-on-demand for generations is just fine? Even to people who made bad choices or just won't work?
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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of heal
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2009, 08:25:16 AM »
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They will buy their insurance. They have to pay their share. The law will make them do so.

I so want to see them try and make me buy health insurance.  :bird:

I don't want insurance, I won't buy it.  :evillaugh:
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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2009, 08:26:54 AM »
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35. Those young people can not just refuse
 if they do, they will be punished with fines at the least. So let them all whine, we will simply attach their wages. And take their money. They will buy their insurance. They have to pay their share. The law will make them do so.


And these window-lickers can still sit there with a straight face and call healthcare a "right".
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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2009, 08:33:51 AM »
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts)     Thu Oct-29-09 07:03 PM
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The "Public Option" has been a red herring all along, to divert you from the real issue: MANDATES
 Edited on Thu Oct-29-09 07:20 PM by Nikki Stone1
I tried to say this before and was called an Obama hater--that didn't hurt my feelings at all, but it does show how difficult it is to get some people to face facts.

In my thread two days ago, I said that what we would get was a watered-down public option that would, most likely, be a fig leaf and pretty useless against the insurance companies and Big Pharma. That's looks like exactly what we are getting.

The key to this bill was MANDATES: Is it right to expect that everyone be required BY LAW to buy a faulty product from an insurance company just for the privilege of breathing in the US? Everyone said, "Oh we buy car insurance" but I pointed out in my thread here
 

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Lots of well known dummies on this one waking up to realize,  WE BEEN HAD !!! :rotf:

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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2009, 08:59:01 AM »
Quote from: Chump on October 30, 2009, 08:10:41 AM
How does the decision to use tobacco cost the government (i.e. the public) anything?

The argument is that the use of tobacco causes illness which ends up costing society in general through lost wages & production, charity reserves, and tax dollars.  It's bullshit.
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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2009, 09:01:21 AM »
Quote from: Lord Undies on October 30, 2009, 08:59:01 AM
The argument is that the use of tobacco causes illness which ends up costing society in general through lost wages & production, charity reserves, and tax dollars.  It's bullshit.

Lol @ me.  I just re-read your previous post and realized I completely missed its point.  More ready (and coffee), less typey.
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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2009, 09:15:23 AM »
Quote from: Chump on October 30, 2009, 09:01:21 AM
Lol @ me.  I just re-read your previous post and realized I completely missed its point.  More ready (and coffee), less typey.

No problem.  I too must often reread my post in order to understand my point.
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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2009, 09:21:25 AM »
But, but I thought the DUmmies would be all rosey-eyed and skipping through the tulips with Oblahma giving out free ponies left and right?
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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2009, 09:40:15 AM »
Quote from: Wineslob on October 30, 2009, 09:21:25 AM
But, but I thought the DUmmies would be all rosey-eyed and skipping through the tulips with Oblahma giving out free ponies left and right?

They now realize that they have to dig through thousands of tons of horseshit to get to a toy pony . . .
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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of heal
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2009, 10:07:26 AM »
Quote from: Lord Undies on October 30, 2009, 08:59:01 AM
The argument is that the use of tobacco causes illness which ends up costing society in general through lost wages & production, charity reserves, and tax dollars.  It's bullshit.

Several studies have shown that smokers save on health care by dying earlier, and not just from cancer but from all the other things, like heart disease and other respiratory ailments.
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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of heal
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2009, 10:34:32 AM »
Quote from: thundley4 on October 30, 2009, 10:07:26 AM
Several studies have shown that smokers save on health care by dying earlier, and not just from cancer but from all the other things, like heart disease and other respiratory ailments.

Or they can be the anomaly like my uncle. He started smoking picayunes when he was 12, and lived to be a healthy (lungs, no diabetes, energetic) 80-something year old. He was killed in a car wreck when a teenager riding his bumper smashed into him.
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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2009, 10:40:21 AM »
Gee where'd my money go?

Granny? Granny is still alive?

She needs a new knee? With my money? Why?

Dancing? In Florida? New Grandpa? wah?

Can't we just let the old farts die and let me keep my money?
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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2009, 10:46:19 AM »
Quote from: FGL on October 30, 2009, 10:40:21 AM
Gee where'd my money go?

Granny? Granny is still alive?

She needs a new knee? With my money? Why?

Dancing? In Florida? New Grandpa? wah?

Can't we just let the old farts die and let me keep my money?

 :lmao:

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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2009, 11:54:54 AM »
Quote from: FGL on October 30, 2009, 10:40:21 AM
Gee where'd my money go?

Granny? Granny is still alive?

She needs a new knee? With my money? Why?

Dancing? In Florida? New Grandpa? wah?

Can't we just let the old farts die and let me keep my money?


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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2009, 12:14:49 PM »
The 400+ pounders on DU alone will bankrupt the system.
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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2009, 12:34:09 PM »
Quote from: Lord Undies on October 30, 2009, 08:59:01 AM
The argument is that the use of tobacco causes illness which ends up costing society in general through lost wages & production, charity reserves, and tax dollars.  It's bullshit.

I agree completely, but you'll never convince an anti-smoking nazi of that......for them it is a quest, a mission.......they don't let facts get in their way......and, to an extent it isn't ideological.

Retired in April (and a smoker), and haven't had an illness that required time off from work in fifteen years.......and my MIL is 93, and still smokes two packs of Marlboros a day.......still going strong.

To an extent it is similiar to the "climate change" crowd.....

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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2009, 12:34:57 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on October 30, 2009, 07:54:24 AM
I agree with the Ponce de Leon primitive.

Why should I have to pay for the damages wrought on primitives due to the primitives' own voluntary bad choices?

I think if one makes bad choices, one should suffer.
That's been my argument for motorcycle helmet laws for a long time.  Don't want to wear one...fine, but don't expect the rest of to subsidize your medical costs when you bounce your unprotected head off the pavement.
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Re: A brief statement to those who are fine with age rating being a part of health c
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2009, 12:41:28 PM »
Quote from: TVDOC on October 30, 2009, 12:34:09 PM
I agree completely, but you'll never convince an anti-smoking nazi of that......for them it is a quest, a mission.......they don't let facts get in their way......and, to an extent it isn't ideological.

Retired in April (and a smoker), and haven't had an illness that required time off from work in fifteen years.......and my MIL is 93, and still smokes two packs of Marlboros a day.......still going strong.

To an extent it is similiar to the "climate change" crowd.....

doc

I haven't smoked a cigarette since July 16th, and I consider myself a "former smoker", but I will never become a freaky smoke Nazi who is mad at the world because I want a cigarette and can't have one anymore, which, by the way, is the problem behind 80% of the smoke Nazis.
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