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In a report released to the US Congress recently, analysts assessed what they termed "preparedness tests" between the US military and government agencies at the federal, state and local levels. U.S. Northern Command (NORTHCOM) exercises to test preparedness to perform its homeland defense and civil support missions.

The Government Accountability Office was asked to assess the extent to which NORTHCOM is consistent with Department of Defense guidelines for training and exercise requirement involving interagency partners and states in its exercises.

NORTHCOM’s exercise program is generally consistent with the requirements of DOD’s Joint Training System, but its exercise reporting is inconsistent. Since the command was established in 2002, NORTHCOM has conducted 13 large-scale exercises and generally completed exercise summary reports within the required time frame.

However, those reports did not consistently include certain information, such as areas needing improvement, because NORTHCOM lacks guidance that specifies exercise reports’ content and format, potentially impacting its ability to meet internal standards for planning and execution of joint exercises, and to compare and share exercise results over time with interagency partners and states.

"While the rationale for using the US military domestically had been debated for years, President Barack Obama appears intent on using our military at least until he can create his promised 'Civilian Security Force' which he said would be as big and powerful as the military," said political strategist Mike Baker.
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"The fact that the military -- in this instance NORTHCOM -- is being trained to operate with our borders should be setting off alarms throughout this nation.

But it's being ignored even by those who profess to be conservatives," he said.
 
Nineteen federal agencies and organizations and 17 states and the District of Columbia have participated in one or more of the seven large-scale exercises that NORTHCOM has conducted since September 2005. However, NORTHCOM faces challenges in involving states in the planning, conduct, and assessment of its exercises, such as adapting its exercise system and practices to involve other federal, state, local, and tribal agencies that do not have the same practices or level of planning resources

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The national guard has helped out in civil disturbances for what, a hundred years or more. I have no idea when that first started. I would suppose it took shape at some point after the West was settled and our southern border with Mexico solidified. That being said, this is a horse of a different color in my book.

It is about as clear a violation of the Posse Comitatus act as I can think of. That law was passed in 1878.

Here’s a link to a page that has some/all of the acts verbiage on it. I don’t see how what is planned now passes muster.

http://www.dojgov.net/posse_comitatus_act.htm

http://www.examiner.com/x-2684-Law-Enforcement-Examiner~y2009m10d28-Obama-administration-Pentagon-prepare-for-homeland-military-deployment

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Re: Obama administration, Pentagon prepare for homeland military deployment
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2009, 04:20:11 PM »
since when does this administration... rather, this gov't... care about rules/laws/COTUS?

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Re: Obama administration, Pentagon prepare for homeland military deployment
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2009, 04:29:53 PM »
The Oath covers duty against enemies foreign and domestic, and the Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of Federal military forces for law enforcement, it does NOT prohibit their use in bona fide military operations within our national borders or using them for safeguarding of life and property when civil order breaks down.  There are all kinds of situations where Federal forces would be deployed within CONUS for entirely legitimate reasons.  This is tinfoil hat stuff.

Now Obama's Waffen-SS, err, "Civilian Security Service," I do have some qualms about that.   
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Re: Obama administration, Pentagon prepare for homeland military deployment
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2009, 04:43:21 PM »
....  This is tinfoil hat stuff.

 

Agreed.

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Re: Obama administration, Pentagon prepare for homeland military deployment
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2009, 04:44:21 PM »
Now Obama's Waffen-SS, err, "Civilian Security Service," I do have some qualms about that.   

Hopefully they'll wear pink shirts.
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Re: Obama administration, Pentagon prepare for homeland military deployment
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2009, 04:55:15 PM »
The Oath covers duty against enemies foreign and domestic, and the Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of Federal military forces for law enforcement, it does NOT prohibit their use in bona fide military operations within our national borders or using them for safeguarding of life and property when civil order breaks down.  There are all kinds of situations where Federal forces would be deployed within CONUS for entirely legitimate reasons.  This is tinfoil hat stuff.
Agreed.

But if the tin-foilers must know: we in the military can tell the difference between a bona fide military threat and our friends, neighbors and family.

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Now Obama's Waffen-SS, err, "Civilian Security Service," I do have some qualms about that.   
Weird.

They don't look like my friends, neighbors and family.
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Re: Obama administration, Pentagon prepare for homeland military deployment
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2009, 05:41:50 PM »
Agreed.

But if the tin-foilers must know: we in the military can tell the difference between a bona fide military threat and our friends, neighbors and family.


Which is good to know and heard echoed from time to time. the problem becomes, IMHO, deciphering what is a legal order inside the borders.

As for tinfoil, I nolonger believe "that will NEVER HAPPEN in the USA" line. Sorry - too much crap has happened to erode our freedoms and liberty over the last 13 months to put my faith in gov't doing the right thing. Sorry.

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Re: Obama administration, Pentagon prepare for homeland military deployment
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2009, 08:22:10 PM »
Which is good to know and heard echoed from time to time. the problem becomes, IMHO, deciphering what is a legal order inside the borders.

As for tinfoil, I nolonger believe "that will NEVER HAPPEN in the USA" line. Sorry - too much crap has happened to erode our freedoms and liberty over the last 13 months to put my faith in gov't doing the right thing. Sorry.

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Boy this opens up a real can of worms.  I have seen many times the national guard has been called out for security; particularly in the 1960's.  Something deep down inside of me says that soldiers are really not likely to fire on other American citizens unless they are really being fired upon themselves.  Now the other federal agencies, DEA, etc is a whole different story.

I understand the state of AZ passed a law that said if BO declares a national emergency they have the right to call home thier National Guard to protect their homeland.  I suspect if states did that it would be really difficult for troops to fire on thier own......

God I hope so.  That is really what I am banking on if BO wants to confiscate all the guns in this country.  Who's gonna enforce it????

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Re: Obama administration, Pentagon prepare for homeland military deployment
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2009, 06:13:12 AM »
Which is good to know and heard echoed from time to time. the problem becomes, IMHO, deciphering what is a legal order inside the borders.

As for tinfoil, I nolonger believe "that will NEVER HAPPEN in the USA" line. Sorry - too much crap has happened to erode our freedoms and liberty over the last 13 months to put my faith in gov't doing the right thing. Sorry.

You'll be happy to know that firing on unarmed civilians (any civilians, anywhere, just look at our ROE in Iraq and the Stan) is an illegal order.

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Re: Obama administration, Pentagon prepare for homeland military deployment
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2009, 08:24:01 AM »
When the Guard is called out, it's usually by the Governor, and they are under Title 32 status (Working for the State, not the Feds) and the Posse Comitatus Act does not apply to them in that situation, it only applies to military forces operating under Federal command and control. 
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Re: Obama administration, Pentagon prepare for homeland military deployment
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2009, 08:39:14 AM »
You'll be happy to know that firing on unarmed civilians (any civilians, anywhere, just look at our ROE in Iraq and the Stan) is an illegal order.

I agree that members of the military can and would draw a clear distinction between a legitimate threat and their friends, neighbors and family.  However, if we're talking about a breakdown in society and civil unrest, there's going to be plenty of armed civilians out and about, for many reasons.  That does throw a wrench in the works, no?
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Re: Obama administration, Pentagon prepare for homeland military deployment
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2009, 04:26:26 PM »
Agreed.

But if the tin-foilers must know: we in the military can tell the difference between a bona fide military threat and our friends, neighbors and family.
Weird.

They don't look like my friends, neighbors and family.

Ummm, those that fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. Wasn't there just a discussion on the War of Northern Aggression?? There were brothers killing brothers and soldiers killing acquaintances, family, and neighbors...... All condoned by the Federal Government. Then there was Sherman's March through Georgia, where he committed countless war crimes against unarmed civilians.

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Re: Obama administration, Pentagon prepare for homeland military deployment
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2009, 06:47:29 PM »
I agree that members of the military can and would draw a clear distinction between a legitimate threat and their friends, neighbors and family.  However, if we're talking about a breakdown in society and civil unrest, there's going to be plenty of armed civilians out and about, for many reasons.  That does throw a wrench in the works, no?

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You raise a good point.  I have lived in hurricane zones and can tell you it is normally very easy to distinguish between folks protecting themselves and those who are looting.  If there are riots going on like in the 1960's where the liquor stores and electronic stores got looted, then they need to use tear gas and other means to protect property.  At the same time, let any government employee come down my street, or a lot of others like mine to try to confiscate weapons, then it could get ugly. 

Same thing applies to folks who decide to come into certain neighborhoods to rob, plunder etc.  I know a lot of places where they would be making a fatal mistake.  There is something very American about protecting your family and property if you ask me.

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Re: Obama administration, Pentagon prepare for homeland military deployment
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2009, 08:52:29 PM »
This kind of fear mongering story is what fuels the fires of the 9/11 CT'ers.

On 9/11 MDW/NCR was conducting a Capitol Shield exercise.  Normal planned exercise that had been on the training calendar for months.

But because of what happened that dat...it's allowed the tinfoilers to say all the bullsh*t they've said for the last 8 years.

I see the same pot stirring in this article.
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