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Bill making violence against gays a hate crime headed to White House

Reporting from Washington - A bill to make violence against gays and lesbians a federal hate crime cleared the Senate on Thursday and headed to the White House.

The 68-29 vote was a victory for civil rights groups that have long sought to expand the federal statute beyond attacks motivated by religion, race, color or national origin.

The bill, which President Obama is expected to sign, includes penalties for assaults based on a victim's sexual orientation, gender, disability or gender identity.

Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr., whose Justice Department would be charged with enforcing the provisions, praised the bill's passage.

"There have been nearly 80,000 hate-crime incidents reported to the FBI since I first testified before Congress in support of a hate-crimes bill 11 years ago," Holder said.

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Re: Bill making violence against gays a hate crime headed to White House
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2009, 08:10:24 AM »
A crime is a crime regardless of whether hate is involved.  Why is it more wrong to beat up a gay guy then to beat up someone else?  Good God, why have 10 laws when 1 will cover it?   :bs:
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Re: Bill making violence against gays a hate crime headed to White House
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2009, 08:12:03 AM »
A crime is a crime regardless of whether hate is involved.  Why is it more wrong to beat up a gay guy then to beat up someone else?  Good God, why have 10 laws when 1 will cover it?   :bs:
All crimes involve hate to some degree.
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Re: Bill making violence against gays a hate crime headed to White House
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2009, 08:13:22 AM »
All violence is a "hate" crime if you want to get technical.

Would someone please show me where our existing laws haven't done the trick? Justice is blind after all. It really doesn't matter how fabulously dressed the parties involved are. :-)
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Re: Bill making violence against gays a hate crime headed to White House
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2009, 11:14:48 AM »
I hate it when they nest bills inside of other bills. It should be ****ing illegal.
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Re: Bill making violence against gays a hate crime headed to White House
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2009, 12:24:00 PM »
I think that the Hate Crimes Bill is a wolf in sheep's clothing. It's just a way to circumvent the Constitution.

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The U.S. Senate has passed the homosexual hate-crimes bill and will now send it to President Obama to sign it into law. This bill is a trojan horse to legitimize the creation of more laws that will completely obliterate the 1st amendment of the United States.

Many homosexual organizations say this is a victory, however they are just being used to further infringe on Americans rights to free speech.

In a 68-29 vote, senators passed 2010 National Defense Authorization Act, which includes the hate crimes measure that adds “sexual orientation” and “gender identity,” as well as disability, to the current categories — such as race, religion and gender — protected from hate crimes. The House of Representatives voted 281-146 on Oct. 8 for the same defense legislation, which was used as a vehicle for the hate-crimes measure though it is not directly related to the controversial provision. President Obama has said he would sign the bill.

Any “hate crimes” bill is a disaster for the 1st amendment and leads into the direction of a nanny government.. we are all grown-ups, correct? When someone puts you down whether it’s about race, gender, sexual orientation do we really want the federal government and the police to get involved in such petty affairs? And shouldn’t the police and the government be investing their time on more serious situations? Any ‘hate crimes’ bill is just a step towards the end of the 1st amendment and stepping into the direction of a nanny government, handing out fines and putting people in prison for hate speech.

I’m not implying that gay rights aren’t a good thing, I think anyone of any sexual orientation, gender, etc. should have a right to marry, but this hate crimes bill is nothing more than a foot-in-the-door for other tyrannical regulations that will criminalize any type of speech.

This bill could lead to an age of “Pre-Crime” and “Preventative Detentions“, if say the FBI suspects you of potentially committing a hate crime you can be prosecuted and detained even if no crime was even committed. It can also lead to cyber-bullying laws which could mean an expensive fine or prison-time for internet bullying, this bill can also lead to ‘political hate laws’ where any dissent against the government or its policies could make you a political prisoner.

The White House is already planning to create an “enemies list” where any dissent against its policies can land many into a permanent White House database. The U.S. Government and Homeland Security have established its hatred for dissidents in this country, they have established that anti-New World Order groups, Alternative Media Outlets (like this one) are potential violent terrorist tools. Anything about the U.S. Constitution, any partisan activists or any civil disobedience of any kind is now considered potential violent extremism by Homeland Security.

The unclassified Homeland Security memo even says people who are concerned about loss of U.S. sovereignty, illegal immigration and gun-control who are genuinely upset about encroaching freedom may be considered a potential insurgents against the U.S. government! Even liberal environmental activism, anti-war activism is considered potential violent extremism.

When you think of the phrase “hate crimes” remember that hate speech is a form of free speech and protected by the 1st amendment of the Bill of Rights and Constitution. The whole point of free speech is to protect unpopular speech like hate speech. When Obama signs this hate crimes bill into law the government will officially turn free speech into a criminal act, and soon it will become a terrorist/extremist act if Homeland Security (aka: the American Gestapo) gets its way.

http://noworldsystem.com/2009/10/23/hate-crime-bill-is-a-trojan-horse-against-free-speech/
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Re: Bill making violence against gays a hate crime headed to White House
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2009, 12:32:16 PM »
I think that the Hate Crimes Bill is a wolf in sheep's clothing. It's just a way to circumvent the Constitution.

http://noworldsystem.com/2009/10/23/hate-crime-bill-is-a-trojan-horse-against-free-speech/

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Re: Bill making violence against gays a hate crime headed to White House
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2009, 12:49:59 PM »
All crimes involve hate to some degree.

I am actually more afraid of the criminal who has no feeling whatsoever.  Those are the true sociopaths.
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Re: Bill making violence against gays a hate crime headed to White House
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2009, 12:55:43 PM »
I am actually more afraid of the criminal who has no feeling whatsoever.  Those are the true sociopaths.
It could be argued that they just hate everything equally.
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