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[franksolich]

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Oh my.

-Schwarzenegger  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-22-09 02:39 PM
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Question about two small attached airplanes that separated in flight over my house.

It was a dark and clear night. We were out on the porch here in Santa Monica about 11:30 last night when a plane with particularly bright lights approached from the north. We watched it approach for a long time so I know it was not two planes flying near each other. I even got the binos and never once thought it was two planes.

As it passed directly over our house (I have no idea how to estimate heights, but I guess it was a mile or so?), it looked as if something unlighted was jutting out forward from it. Then, as I watched, what I thought was one plane slowly separated into two! They looked to be about the same size, what I would call small, meaning not airliner-size. One plane slowly peeled off to the east, headed north a bit, and then went toward downtown LA and disappeared. I saw it in the binos and it was definitely a small plane. My wife went to the other side of the house and watched the other plane slowly curve around and head back north and disappeared.

For aviation experts---what in the world did I see?

Wickerman   (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-22-09 02:42 PM
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1. sounds like you saw a plane being refueled

In your neck of the woods that makes sense; lots of military aviation.

after which a photograph of one airplane connected to another airplane

A-Schwarzenegger  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-22-09 02:45 PM
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Do they refuel small planes like that? I can't imagine we wouldnt have seen it as two connected planes before they separated. It is certainly a simple explanation that makes sense, but I never had any idea they would refuel a small plane right over the city and at night. Hmmm. Thanks.

edit: also, both planes were what I would call small, and were both about the same size.

A HERETIC I AM  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-22-09 02:51 PM
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8. The Military are the only ones that do aerial refueling....

One thing from your OP that struck me though. You mentioned it was at night. Even with binoculars, it is difficult to accurately determine the altitude of an aircraft with the naked eye at night. You could have indeed witnessed an aerial refueling but they were probably much higher than the "mile or so" you suggested. That would account for them appearing to be small planes, as opposed to the KC135 (basically a Boeing 707) pictured in the other post.

A-Schwarzenegger  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-22-09 03:08 PM
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16. When the one that peeled off came back over our place, I saw it clearly and at length in the binos and it was definitely a small plane, not a jet, not military.

A HERETIC I AM  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-22-09 03:16 PM
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17. It would help if you could identify it a little better

For instance, was it a high wing or a low wing? Single engine or twin? Piston or Turbine? If you could really see it clearly, did it (they) appear to be single seaters or have capacity for more than just a pilot? Did the passenger compartment appear to seat them abreast or inline?

There are a lot of various aircraft and scenarios that could explain what you saw. It could be two "Warbirds" or vintage military aircraft owners practicing formation flying. It could have been two friends in Cessna 172's doing the same thing.

If you could use Google and try and find an example of an airplane that is close to what you saw, it will help in solving your mystery.

damntexdem  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-22-09 03:40 PM
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32. Could it have been a glider? 

Towed by a powered plane then released?

PearliePoo2  (1000+ posts)      Thu Oct-22-09 02:42 PM
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2. Might have been a plane towing a glider up to altitude....and then cutting it loose. ??

MajorChode  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-22-09 02:47 PM
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7. Probably not at that time of night

A-Schwarzenegger  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-22-09 03:20 PM
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20. But I saw the one that peeled off clearly in the binos and it wasn't a glider, unless a glider looks just like a small Piper Cub type plane with engines. (I call all small planes Piper Cubs.) Plus, I can't see anybody towing a glider at that hour. Oh, plus, it wasn't being towed. It was clear enough that even if it hadnt had lights on, we would have seen it was something being towed.

damntexdem  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-22-09 03:42 PM
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36. Oh, then it sounds like a scene out of "Battle in Outer Space." 

Or some name like that -- a 50s scifi film where a pilot in a Piper-Cub-like plane is captured by a flying saucer but then escapes with the plane.

And on the bonfire rages; perhaps some experts in aviation here might be interested in seeing the whole bonfire, at the link above.

[JohnnyReb]

Two lightning bugs fu*king in midair.......

GET OFF THE DRUGS........DUmmie

[The Village Idiot]

There was a big air show at Edwards AFB not too long ago.

[AllosaursRus]

Could also have been a drug transfer. According to my FBI buddy, they try this all the time, as the plane landing is definitely going to be searched if it is discovered on radar and has failed to file a flight plan. He tells me it is rarely succsessful and rarely would they ever try it over land. They run the "dope" out on a cable and "try" to have the other plane "catch" it. If this is what it was, they were a helluva lot closer to the ground than 5,000 ft, as they have to stay under radar. That would explain why this guy could ID them as "Piper Cubs" with a pair of Binochs.

Should ask the guy if it started "snowing" right after. Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!

[Carl]

11:30 at night and this person can identify that much about the planes?
I doubt it.

Most likely if they saw anyting it was a small private plane that just happened to be flying along a similar line as a much higher commercial one was flying.
The differing altitudes made the apparent sizes similar and at night no one could probably tell anyways.

Just looking for something to run around screaming look at me and what I saw.
Which is pretty much what the poster did.

[AllosaursRus]

11:30 at night and this person can identify that much about the planes?
I doubt it.

Most likely if they saw anyting it was a small private plane that just happened to be flying along a similar line as a much higher commercial one was flying.
The differing altitudes made the apparent sizes similar and at night no one could probably tell anyways.

Just looking for something to run around screaming look at me and what I saw.
Which is pretty much what the poster did.

Sounds about right tol me. If it was 2 small planes they would be low altitude.

[GOBUCKS]

Seems unlikely the military would conduct a maneuver like aerial refueling over the heavily populated Los Angeles urban area. What the DUmmy saw was more likely a routine transfer between a microbe solution tanker and a chemtrail sprayer jet. DUmmies are unaware that chemtrail operations go on around the clock, not just when visible. This DUmmy has stumbled onto something that could put him in great danger, so hopefully he will lurk here and be warned. He'd be well advised to immediately abandon his home and move as far away as possible, preferably outside the country.

[AllosaursRus]

Seems unlikely the military would conduct a maneuver like aerial refueling over the heavily populated Los Angeles urban area. What the DUmmy saw was more likely a routine transfer between a microbe solution tanker and a chemtrail sprayer jet. DUmmies are unaware that chemtrail operations go on around the clock, not just when visible. This DUmmy has stumbled onto something that could put him in great danger, so hopefully he will lurk here and be warned. He'd be well advised to immediately abandon his home and move as far away as possible, preferably outside the country.

Works for me! The more of them out of country the better. Maybe the VRWC should do more clandestine ops! Anyone got a link to the Rove? Mine seems to be out dated thanx to the One!

[BlueStateSaint]

Works for me! The more of them out of country the better. Maybe the VRWC should do more clandestine ops! Anyone got a link to the Rove? Mine seems to be out dated thanx to the One!

And what makes you think that we don't?  It's all on a need-to-know basis . . .

[vesta111]

Seems unlikely the military would conduct a maneuver like aerial refueling over the heavily populated Los Angeles urban area. What the DUmmy saw was more likely a routine transfer between a microbe solution tanker and a chemtrail sprayer jet. DUmmies are unaware that chemtrail operations go on around the clock, not just when visible. This DUmmy has stumbled onto something that could put him in great danger, so hopefully he will lurk here and be warned. He'd be well advised to immediately abandon his home and move as far away as possible, preferably outside the country.

Gobucks you devil. you have been listening to Coast to Coast AM.

I tune it in on the way to work at 2 AM and find some really weird stuff there. In 5 years of listening did I ever hear a program that was to me impossible, to perhaps possible.? NO

I have a theory, way out there but you know me.

These so called UFOs from out there is wrong. These sightings and abductions I think are home grown.

With pollution and disease and perhaps nuclear war, the human body will change in 2,000 years to look like those remarkable pictures of human like appearance. 

So like the scientists of today that capture and examine chimps and gorillas is it possible that in 2,000 years humans will learn time travel and treat us as we do today our primates.?

Check out the pictures of a shaved monkey  then look at the drawings of the Alians. sure look human and act like scientists not some other specie from the next star.

Some believe in human like form on other stars, I don't we are unique . 

Why is it easier to believe that the Universe has humans that are above us in knowledge to discounting that these visitors are US in the very far future.?

Yes, I do believe they are US, not some accidental human from some other solar system.

Hair brained idea--YUP but not as crazy as believing there is humane life on other planets.

Hell, we get to another planet, how are we to know any form of life we find.?  On Earth today we are still finding life we thought impossible on our planet--Tube worms and other life that lives beneath the ocean in 400 degree water.

Rant ended

[thundley4]

Haven't you heard?  The LHC is sending particles back from the future and is sabotaging itself to prevent it's operation.