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primitives suffering caffeine withdrawal
« on: October 22, 2009, 01:51:31 PM »
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Oh my.

One supposes, apparently erroneously, that with their smaller and cruder brains, the primitives would be less likely to suffer those headaches than decent and civilized people.

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CTyankee  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-19-09 04:09 PM
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Is there any way to reduce coffee consumption WITHOUT suffering withdrawal headaches?

In trying to cut back on my coffee consumption I now get miserable withdrawal headaches. Aspirin doesn't help much. Green tea doesn't help much. Only when I give up and drink a couple of cups of coffee do I get rid of the headache.

Anybody have a cure they can share with me?

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tabatha  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-19-09 04:10 PM
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1. Try Dandelion Tea.

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Vincardog  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-19-09 04:12 PM
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2. When you feel a headache coming on press your finger against your third eye 

draw the pain energy away from your mind and into the pressure.

Then release the pressure and the pain with it.

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Kceres  (389 posts)      Mon Oct-19-09 04:18 PM
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3. Withdraw slowly, NOT cold turkey.

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CTyankee  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-19-09 04:21 PM
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7. That's what I thought I was doing.

I had just one cappacino for breakfast yesterday and by 1 pm I was in agony and I gave in and had the coffee. Today I had only one cup of somewhat weaker coffee than I usually have and the headache has come on me...

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Kceres  (389 posts)      Mon Oct-19-09 04:27 PM
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10. Then you are going to have titrate even slower, I guess.

Try cutting down to three-quarters of what you normally drank had for about a week, then one-half when you get use to that, etc., etc. Good luck, too! I never thought a coffee habit was all that bad myself, except, of course, the expense.

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liberal N proud  (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-19-09 04:19 PM
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4. Stopped cold turkey without problems.

Because of the smallness and crudity of the brain.

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supernova  (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-19-09 04:20 PM
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5. Try to taper off?

How much coffee do you normally drink in a day?

Try to skip the last cup for a week, or at least make it decaf.

Then the next week have two decafs.

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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts)       Mon Oct-19-09 04:23 PM
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8. Good idea! 

You can also mix full-caf with decaf in your taper. It distributes the caffeine across the day.

Most people who taper down can do so within a week; two, if they drink a lot.

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supernova  (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-19-09 04:35 PM
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14. I like the 1/2 caf idea too
 
disclaimer: I rarely drink coffee now. It makes my heart race if I drink more than a cup. I will sometimes have decaf after dinner with dessert, though.

I'm a tea person now for the most part.

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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts)       Mon Oct-19-09 04:20 PM
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6. Taper down 

It requires a little more attention to detail, but it works.

Personally, when I want to go back to zero, I just stop it entirely for a week and take ibuprofen; I've never needed more than about five over the course of the entire week.

Caffeine is not all that bad for most people, any way. It's an antioxidant and, strangely enough, protects cells from ionizing radiation. I keep it to two cups a day, and when I start to crave more, I stop it for a week.

Artificial aspirin destroys the liver; one should always use the real thing.

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CTyankee  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-19-09 04:25 PM
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9. I am only doing it to help me sleep better at night. 

I've been able to "maintain" at 2+ full mugs of coffee in the morning. The + sign is for the little "extra" that is in the pot (so I don't waste it). Weakening the coffee doesn't cut it and it tastes terrible anyway.

I like the caff/decaf taper method mentioned above and may try it. Or the dandelion tea if I can find it...

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frazzled  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-19-09 04:34 PM
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13. Are you sure it's the morning caffeine that's keeping you up at night?

It would seem that 14 or so hours later, the caffeine might not be the culprit.

There are several things that seem to keep me up at night occasionally: one (I swear) is using the computer. It can really hype you up and start your mind racing. The other is random periods of worry about something or other (a kid, a parent).

I also limit myself to 1 1/2 to 2 cups of coffee first thing in the morning. I actually have no desire for more, and have been at that level for many years. But I do have a cup of tea in the afternoon or evening.

When I have trouble sleeping, it's usually because of anxiety about something or other. Then, I find a little sip o' the spirits (a small liquer-glass of cognac or grappa or some such) and a good book will help. After 3 or 4 pages, I'm back asleep.

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CTyankee  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-19-09 04:42 PM
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20. I can't do any alcohol after dinner b/c that interferes with sleep, too.

REading helps me somewhat, also boring myself by retelling the same two stories over and over again, which takes a little time (sometimes I go over the outline of an independent study I once did in grad school -- it is such a goddam bore I hate to do it but it eventually does work). I refuse to take sleep meds, either presciption or otc.

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supernova  (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-19-09 04:45 PM
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21. LOL about the indy study guide

My Psych 101 textbook was a great insomnia cure, esp for my Korean roomate. She would try to study and within 10 minutes would be gone to the Land of Nod.  I agree it was a snoozer.

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quiller4 (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-19-09 04:29 PM
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11. How much coffee do you drink and why try to reduce?

Moderate consumption is healthy unless you suffer from a heart condition that makes the consumption of any stimulant dangerous.

Years ago I had problems with GERD and was told that reducing caffeine would bring improvement. My doc suggested to reduce by one cup per day for a week the amount of caffinated coffee and tea I drank, reduce by another cup the second week. After 4 weeks I got down to 2 cups of coffee in the AM and two afternoon cups of caffinated black tea without suffering any headaches.

Ten years later the GERD is gone. I am down to one cup of coffee in the AM but I drink about 4 cups of caffinated tea in the average day.

What the Hades is "GERD"?

Stupid primitives, thinking they're so "cute," talking in acronyms.

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CTyankee  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-19-09 04:37 PM
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16. See above. I am doing it to help me sleep better.

I've been successful in reducing coffee to just the morning. And I can go with just two mugs. But I thought if I reduced it further it would help me better at night. However, I might have to find another way to do that...

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Xithras (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-19-09 04:30 PM
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12. Cold turkey? No. 

The blood flow in your brain has increased, which is causing your head to hurt.

The best method I've seen is to mix caffinated and decaf, and just alter the ratio slowly. Keep in mind that while you're weaning off, you're actually killing the receptors in your brain that the caffeine forced it to create. The more, and longer, you drank coffee, the longer it will take you to wean off of it. A person who drank two cups a day for 20 years is going to have a heck of a lot longer "wean" time than someone who drank four cups a day for two years. It can take MONTHS for a long term coffee drinker to wean themselves.

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Arctic Dave  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-19-09 04:37 PM
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17. Drink water. Caffine is a vasoconstrictor, that is why you get high blood pressure from drinking it. When you stop your vascular system opens up creating a low blood pressure causing your headache. Drinking water helps "fill" your vascular system reducing headaches.

Plain ordinary tap water, if enough's taken, is a good preventative of hangovers, too. for about the same reason. 

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supernova  (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-19-09 04:41 PM
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19. This is true

You also get a dose of cortisol with your coffee too, the fight or flight hormone.

That's why I really quit drinking a lot of coffee several years ago.

I prefer tea now, when I want to perk myself up. I get the caffeine without the cortisol.

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callous taoboy (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-19-09 04:39 PM
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18. Here's how I did it and I was up to 3 pots per day last May:

First, I teach school so during my first mnonth off in June I very gradually decreased my intake. It was a very methodical process of decreasing by half a cup every four days. My coffee maker has a pot that has graduated markings so one full pot equals 10 cups. By the end of the first two weeks I was down to 26 or so cups. By the end of July I was down to 15 or so cups. By August I was down to 11 cups. Now I am holding steady at 8 cups during the day with a cup of green tea after dinner. During the whole process I didn't feel too bad at all. The hardest part was the first few weeks of decreases. I'd wake up at 5 a.m. with a pretty bad headache and I never get headaches so this was caffeine withdrawal. But around mid-July forward my decreses did not hurt at all. I plan to get it to two big mugs in the morning with nothing else after.

It is well worth the effort to get major caffeine addiction under control. I feel much better over all and enjoy my morning mugs much more. Getting this under control has been something I've tried many times with no luck because I tried to cut it too much too fast.

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supernova  (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-19-09 04:49 PM
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22. Last time I had jury duty was in my small county seat. The major thing to do for fun when court was on break was to go across the street to the brand new coffee bar. Well, I liked their double espressos to keep myself from nodding off. One day I made the mistake of having TWO DOUBLE ESPRESSOS in a day. I though the entire court could hear my heart pounding in my chest!

The only thing I wanted to do was get out of there and run a marathon to get rid of all the excess energy I was feeling.

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CTyankee  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-19-09 04:55 PM
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25. I read somewhere that espresso has less caffeine than regular coffee. It just looks and tastes wickedly caffeinated. I try to resist the temptation after dinner tho. It's hard, especially after a really fine Italian meal.

The far and away BEST coffee I have had in recent years was the Spanish "cortado," which is akin to the Italian "machiatto" or "stain" of milk in the espresso. For some reason the cortado is better, IMO. It is rich and heavenly.

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callous taoboy (1000+ posts)      Tue Oct-20-09 02:55 PM
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27. I've taken to drinking Yerba Mate. Wow,.

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Speck Tater (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-19-09 04:49 PM
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23. 20 years ago I quit coffee cold turkey and took aspirin for 4 days. After that, no problem.

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DKRC  (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-19-09 05:02 PM
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26. Blend decaf with your regular coffee until you're only having decaf. Backed myself off of caffeinated colas this way.

Going cold turkey is for tougher people than me.

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Fire_Medic_Dave  (1000+ posts)      Wed Oct-21-09 12:10 PM
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28. Excedrin has caffiene in it. Of course if it's the caffiene you are trying to get off of....

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Dorian Gray  (1000+ posts)        Wed Oct-21-09 04:45 PM
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29. Can you reduce your coffee intake more gradually. By a cup a day on a weekly basis. (If you drink 6 cups now, drink 5 all next week. The following week, 4... etc etc etc until you are down to none?)

Weaning yourself off the caffeine may not be the immediate fix you might desire, but in the long run, you'll get the results you want.

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Warpy  (1000+ posts)        Wed Oct-21-09 06:33 PM
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30. One thing you can do is taper it down slowly by mixing caffeinated with decaf, increasing the decaf over a couple of weeks. You might still get a headache during the process, but it won't be the type that makes you want to decapitate yourself.

Most people choose to plan for the vicious headache and scream it out. It's over within 48-72 hours. It hurts almost as much as a migraine does but it's not fatal.

Too bad the one thing the unfrocked warped primitive didn't do was stay away from the narcotics cabinet at the hospital.

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Robb  (1000+ posts)        Thu Oct-22-09 01:45 PM
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31. Start smoking.

Kidding. Although it'd probably work. Taper, taper, taper, as said above.
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Re: primitives suffering caffeine withdrawal
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2009, 02:23:49 PM »
If I don't have at least one good strong cup every 24 hours, I get a nasty hangover-style headache. Aside from coffee, there is only one remedy I know of. In Canada, they sell something over the counter called ACC tablets. (aspirin, caffeine, and codeine.) They work great for that, and for hangover headaches too. If you aren't near the Canadian border, I guess you could try a Midol, they have caffeine too, but I haven't tested that.

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Re: primitives suffering caffeine withdrawal
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2009, 02:44:56 PM »

What the Hades is "GERD"?



Gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD) is a condition in which food
or liquid travels backwards from the stomach to the esophagus (the
tube from the mouth to the stomach).

Heartburn.   If you let it go on too long it can cause scar tissue to form on the esophagus and cause problems with swallowing.  My dad has problems with that.

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Re: primitives suffering caffeine withdrawal
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2009, 03:43:28 PM »
Gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD) is a condition in which food
or liquid travels backwards from the stomach to the esophagus (the
tube from the mouth to the stomach).

Heartburn.   If you let it go on too long it can cause scar tissue to form on the esophagus and cause problems with swallowing.  My dad has problems with that.

Also caused by a hiatel hernia.

Got one.....am supposed to take Nexium every day but got concerned about the so called side effects.


A while ago, I started eating frozen miniature York peppermint patties. The peppermint seems to help...and I don't think it can hurt me.

Wonder if those Dummies know there is more caffeine in tea than in coffee?

Just hand over the chocolate...back away slowly...far away....and you won't get hurt....

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Re: primitives suffering caffeine withdrawal
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2009, 05:02:12 PM »
Gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD) is a condition in which food
or liquid travels backwards from the stomach to the esophagus (the
tube from the mouth to the stomach).

Heartburn.   If you let it go on too long it can cause scar tissue to form on the esophagus and cause problems with swallowing.  My dad has problems with that.

Yup--GERD caused a bleeding ulcer for me a few years ago.  I managed to drive myself to my doctor for a visit, and he told me, "We need to get you to a hospital right now."  When I said that I could drive myself there, I was told, "There's a lot of bad things that could happen, such as, dying on the way."  That got my attention (for some strange reason).  I stayed a night for observation after I had the ulcer cauterized (they put me out for that).  Made it home in time to watch Ben Rothesburger get his first Super Bowl ring. 
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Re: primitives suffering caffeine withdrawal
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2009, 05:06:26 PM »
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Oh my.

One supposes, apparently erroneously, that with their smaller and cruder brains, the primitives would be less likely to suffer those headaches than decent and civilized people.

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Re: primitives suffering caffeine withdrawal
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2009, 05:45:05 PM »
I've had two to six cups of black coffee nearly every morning for decades. On the days when I do not, I feel no ill effect whatever. I believe these DUmmies are suffering from withdrawal from caffeine plus whatever flavor of addictive drug the particular DUmmy favors. Since a huge percentage of DUmmies abuse one drug or another, this is the most likely problem.

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Re: primitives suffering caffeine withdrawal
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2009, 05:47:51 PM »
I've had two to six cups of black coffee nearly every morning for decades. On the days when I do not, I feel no ill effect whatever. I believe these DUmmies are suffering from withdrawal from caffeine plus whatever flavor of addictive drug the particular DUmmy favors. Since a huge percentage of DUmmies abuse one drug or another, this is the most likely problem.

I drink 1-2 pots daily, but have went without before for a couple of days and never had any ill effects.

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Re: primitives suffering caffeine withdrawal
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2009, 05:53:41 PM »
I drink 1-2 pots daily, but have went without before for a couple of days and never had any ill effects.

I used to get excruciating headaches from lack of caffeine.

The headaches would be so bad even caffeine-laden soda wouldn't deal with it.

I would get to where I would just lick my finger, stick it into a jar of instant coffee, and then lick the finger; that would give me enough full-strength caffeine to ameliorate the headache.

But that's not anything that's happened recently.
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Re: primitives suffering caffeine withdrawal
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2009, 05:57:33 PM »
I decided to stop drinking soda for three reasons - cost, caffeine, corn syrup.

So I stopped. And I got headaches for a week. And now I don't. The end. Now I can't even stand the stuff - It tastes like drinking syrup.

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Re: primitives suffering caffeine withdrawal
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2009, 06:04:07 PM »
I've had two to six cups of black coffee nearly every morning for decades. On the days when I do not, I feel no ill effect whatever. I believe these DUmmies are suffering from withdrawal from caffeine plus whatever flavor of addictive drug the particular DUmmy favors. Since a huge percentage of DUmmies abuse one drug or another, this is the most likely problem.

I suspect its caffeine combined with sugar bringing them down. And since many of them seem to have food-related issues, I can only assume this is true for many of them.

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Re: primitives suffering caffeine withdrawal
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2009, 06:05:00 PM »
I decided to stop drinking soda for three reasons - cost, caffeine, corn syrup.

So I stopped. And I got headaches for a week. And now I don't. The end. Now I can't even stand the stuff - It tastes like drinking syrup.

I get the same issues.  The headaches drive me nuts and usually push me to giving in.
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Re: primitives suffering caffeine withdrawal
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2009, 06:08:42 PM »
I've had two to six cups of black coffee nearly every morning for decades. On the days when I do not, I feel no ill effect whatever. I believe these DUmmies are suffering from withdrawal from caffeine plus whatever flavor of addictive drug the particular DUmmy favors. Since a huge percentage of DUmmies abuse one drug or another, this is the most likely problem.

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Re: primitives suffering caffeine withdrawal
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2009, 06:24:44 PM »
I decided to stop drinking soda for three reasons - cost, caffeine, corn syrup.

So I stopped. And I got headaches for a week. And now I don't. The end. Now I can't even stand the stuff - It tastes like drinking syrup.
I never thought any soft drink could be better than Coke Classic. Then for some reason I started drinking Coke Zero, because I thought it tasted almost identical to the real thing, but zero calories. Now, Coke Classic does taste way too syrupy, almost as bad as Pepsi, and I really like Coke Zero. If we're out of Rolling Rock.

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Re: primitives suffering caffeine withdrawal
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2009, 06:25:11 PM »
I get the same issues.  The headaches drive me nuts and usually push me to giving in.

The missus will be the first to tell you - Miskie is quite the stubborn ass when he wants to be. I decided I was done with soda, so I'm done.  :-)

Though going 'cold turkey' made my hyperbitchy, and the missus thought I needed to see a doctor because of the headaches. You see, I didn't tell her I stopped with the soda until after I got over the withdrawal phase. Now she is quitting soda as well.

The month before I quit french fries. That was EASY compared to soda.

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Re: primitives suffering caffeine withdrawal
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2009, 06:30:49 PM »
I never thought any soft drink could be better than Coke Classic. Then for some reason I started drinking Coke Zero, because I thought it tasted almost identical to the real thing, but zero calories. Now, Coke Classic does taste way too syrupy, almost as bad as Pepsi, and I really like Coke Zero. If we're out of Rolling Rock.

The only 'fun drinks' I have now other than juice (and booze  :-) ) is crystal light type products, especially the iced tea. Yes, I know its not even close to real tasting, but it is light and refreshing, which is all that matters. I rarely drink beer, but I do enjoy wine, champagne, and also a lot of hard stuff ( I have my trusty bottle of 151 for those special occasions where I wish to make my blood flammable )

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Re: primitives suffering caffeine withdrawal
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Vincardog  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-19-09 04:12 PM
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2. When you feel a headache coming on press your finger against your third eye  

draw the pain energy away from your mind and into the pressure.

Then release the pressure and the pain with it.

WTF??????? I always thought your third eye, on a male at least, was the head of your pecker. What the hell is this asshat talking about????????

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Arctic Dave  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-19-09 04:37 PM
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17. Drink water. Caffine is a vasoconstrictor, that is why you get high blood pressure from drinking it. When you stop your vascular system opens up creating a low blood pressure causing your headache. Drinking water helps "fill" your vascular system reducing headaches.

no wonder I'm so damn thirsty when I polish off a bottle of JW! Whoda thunk?

Gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD) is a condition in which food
or liquid travels backwards from the stomach to the esophagus (the
tube from the mouth to the stomach).

Heartburn.   If you let it go on too long it can cause scar tissue to form on the esophagus and cause problems with swallowing.  My dad has problems with that.

It can get worse! My best friend ended up with liver cancer after being diagnosed at first with what you speak. (easier than actually spelling it out) It started in his gall bladder and progressed. He didn't last 6 mo's after it got into his liver. It all started out as acid indigestion.

I used to get excruciating headaches from lack of caffeine.

The headaches would be so bad even caffeine-laden soda wouldn't deal with it.

I would get to where I would just lick my finger, stick it into a jar of instant coffee, and then lick the finger; that would give me enough full-strength caffeine to ameliorate the headache.

But that's not anything that's happened recently.

Wow! My Doc told me I had to cut out the coffee and I did. Never had a problem. Now he's after my alcohol intake. A man has to draw the line someplace! **** a bunch of doctors!

I refuse to give up my ribeyes or my scotch! If I did, there would be no use of going on! Besides, what the hell would I do with the steer and the heifer I have out back?

edited 'cause replying to several posts is HARD work!
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