We need to remember that we're all DU'ers. We're all hoping for the same outcome

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cherokeeprogressive  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Oct-20-09 02:15 AM
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We need to remember that we're all DU'ers. We're all hoping for the same outcome   Updated at 2:26 AM
   
but sometimes disagree about the right path to take to achieve said outcome. We come here though, and support DU, because we know what we hope the future to be. That alone makes us Brothers and Sisters in a cause we all know to be a righteous one.

Before I go any further, I owe DU'ers an apology. I made a statement about "The Pom Pom Squad" today, without thinking about how offensive or hurtful it may be. I apologize to ALL DU'ers for making that statement, not just those the statement was directed toward. I lowered the level of discourse, and am sorry. I will not use that phrase again.

Let me repeat: I will not use that phrase again.

There is a growing sense of discontent here, which is neither right nor wrong. Some DU'ers see black and white, and some see gray. Neither can be said to be correct in an absolute sense.

We're all still enthralled by the sense of hope brought about by the General Election of 2008. Some of us are impatient after what we've seen happen over the last 30 years, and believe that one single election cycle could bring instant change. Others are patient enough to understand that the kind of change we're hoping to see isn't, and could not be, instantaneous.

Many of us aren't even old enough to remember the disappointment we felt after the election of 1980. That doesn't matter though. We still share the same sense of what direction we'd like to see our country take on local and international matters.

We, as DU'ers, are "birds of a feather". Those DU'ers who are not are eventually weeded out. What's left is a group of people, not small by ANY standards, who wish to see the same outcome in the context of how our country is governed, and what face we show the world at large.

We need to take a step back and regroup. We need to take a deep breath. We need to join hands once again and get back to the reason we're all here.

Get the violin out. 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6815071

[Alpha Mare]

I lowered the level of discourse

[Rebel]

cherokeeprogressive  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Tue Oct-20-09 02:15 AM

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We need to take a step back and regroup. We need to take a deep breath. We need to join hands once again and get back to the reason we're all here.

Yeah, but he left the White House on the 20th of January. Now you're just a gaggle of buffoons with no one left to blame for your failures as a carbon-based lifeform.

[Karin]

Many of us aren't even old enough to remember the disappointment we felt after the election of 1980.

I was only in the 10th grade, but personally, I was thrilled, Cherokee.  I remember how my parents struggled to weather Jimmah's shitty economy.  I myself worked for $2.35/hour.  I remember the hostages in Iran and how powerless we were to help them.  I remember thinking "How in the hell can this be?  We're the U.S.!" 

BTW, what is so offensive about the term "Pom Pom squad?"  I think there's much worse you could call someone.  He acts like he committed one of the seven deadlies.  What a tool. 

[Carl]

I was only in the 10th grade, but personally, I was thrilled, Cherokee.  I remember how my parents struggled to weather Jimmah's shitty economy.  I myself worked for $2.35/hour.  I remember the hostages in Iran and how powerless we were to help them.  I remember thinking "How in the hell can this be?  We're the U.S.!" 

BTW, what is so offensive about the term "Pom Pom squad?"  I think there's much worse you could call someone.  He acts like he committed one of the seven deadlies.  What a tool. 

I was in 11th grade and for all here too young to remember any part of the Carter years the only word you need is depressing.
We were told and had a President who was convinced that the United States were in decline and we had to accept that as our place in the world.
Sound familiar?

[jtyangel]

We, as DU'ers, are "birds of a feather". Those DU'ers who are not are eventually weeded out. What's left is a group of people, not small by ANY standards, who wish to see the same outcome in the context of how our country is governed, and what face we show the world at large.

Wow, what an incredible lover of freedom and diversity. This statement alone tells you the type of country DUers want where they 'weed out' those who disagree and why not, the president they love sooo much has no problem with 'weeding out' news organizations he and his crew see as disagreeable to his administration. It should be no surprise DUers hate the freedom to disagree politically too.

And where is the ACLU? The supposed defender of the freedom of speech especially? And wouldn't this be a case where it would matter more then any pos porn peddler they have defended or some lowlife who thinks love between a boy and man is special? This is a real case of the government trying to suppress and delegitamize the freedom of political speech by 'punishing' FOX for daring to question the politics at play in Washington. If ever there was a situation for 1st amendment juggarnauts to champion and defend it would be what is going on right now in Washington and yet...crickets abound.

As for when Reagan won, I was only 10. I don't think I totally 'got it', but I remember it being a time of hope and optimism. The 80's seemed like that as a whole and I feel grateful during my high school years a Reagan sat in office and not an Oblama. I look back with great respect now and recognize the character in Reagan that I saw in my beloved grandparents. It is sadly missed.

[Ralph Wiggum]

I lowered the level of discourse

Democratic Underground - Lowering the level of discourse since 2000.

[The Village Idiot]

I was 8 years old in 1980.

I do remember the Challenger explosion because I was one of the dozen or so kids picked to watch it during the school day. I remember the TV going off and going back to class like nothing happened. Nowadays there would be psychiatrists for all.

I remember the speech Reagan made that night. It was very short but it had a good effect.

[Karin]

I look back with great respect now and recognize the character in Reagan that I saw in my beloved grandparents. It is sadly missed.

You touched me. 

I'll confess, on election night 2008 I wept bitterly at the Marxist baby-killer's victory.  But, then I thought of Ronald Reagan and my weeping turned into racking, inconsolable sobs.  And I'm not a cryer. 

[njpines]

I was only in the 10th grade, but personally, I was thrilled, Cherokee.  I remember how my parents struggled to weather Jimmah's shitty economy.  I myself worked for $2.35/hour.  I remember the hostages in Iran and how powerless we were to help them.  I remember thinking "How in the hell can this be?  We're the U.S.!"

I was a senior in HS during the '80 election; unfortunately I was only 17 so I couldn't vote yet -- made up for it in '84 though!

The previous spring ('80) I was fortunate to be a part of my high school's foreign exchange program and while spending 3 weeks living with a German family (in a pub, no less!), I was essentially grilled by a German man about what Carter was going to do about the hostages/Iran/Ayatollah.  I answered that I had no idea but I wasn't optimistic there'd be a positive outcome . . .

[Homecreek]

Quote from: Karin on Today at 07:28:07 am
I was only in the 10th grade, but personally, I was thrilled, Cherokee.  I remember how my parents struggled to weather Jimmah's shitty economy.  I myself worked for $2.35/hour.  I remember the hostages in Iran and how powerless we were to help them.  I remember thinking "How in the hell can this be?  We're the U.S.!"

Nice bouncy!  If you were in 10th grade in 1980 you were an underage worker and paid below the minimum wage of $3.10!  I was 15 in 1980 and worked at a Del Taco for more hours than the law allowed but I still got $3.10!

[Rebel]

Quote from: Karin on Today at 07:28:07 am
I was only in the 10th grade, but personally, I was thrilled, Cherokee.  I remember how my parents struggled to weather Jimmah's shitty economy.  I myself worked for $2.35/hour.  I remember the hostages in Iran and how powerless we were to help them.  I remember thinking "How in the hell can this be?  We're the U.S.!"

Nice bouncy!  If you were in 10th grade in 1980 you were an underage worker and paid below the minimum wage of $3.10!  I was 15 in 1980 and worked at a Del Taco for more hours than the law allowed but I still got $3.10!

That's not a bouncy, dipshit, and learn how to quote lest you look like such a total f'n retard.

[jtyangel]

That's not a bouncy, dipshit, and learn how to quote lest you look like such a total f'n retard.

Umm, I'm not calling Karin on that since it was probably an honest mistake, but homecreek is right about the min. wage in 1980.

http://www.dol.gov/ESA/minwage/chart.htm

[Carl]

Quote from: Karin on Today at 07:28:07 am
I was only in the 10th grade, but personally, I was thrilled, Cherokee.  I remember how my parents struggled to weather Jimmah's shitty economy.  I myself worked for $2.35/hour.  I remember the hostages in Iran and how powerless we were to help them.  I remember thinking "How in the hell can this be?  We're the U.S.!"

Nice bouncy!  If you were in 10th grade in 1980 you were an underage worker and paid below the minimum wage of $3.10!  I was 15 in 1980 and worked at a Del Taco for more hours than the law allowed but I still got $3.10!

A teen with working papers received less then the federal minimum.

On 1 July 1978, a new Minimum Wage Order was issued by the Employment Standards Advisory Board and the rates were as follows:  $2.75 per hour for all persons eighteen years of age and over; and $2.40 per hour for all persons under eighteen years of age.

On 1 July 1980, a new Minimum Wage Order came into effect and the rates were as follows:  $3.00 per hour for all persons eighteen years of age and over; and $2.50 per hour for all person under eighteen years of age.

http://www.gov.pe.ca/cca/index.php3?number=1022458

It is entirely likely that after 29 years the exact wage figure may have been blurred by time.
Do some research  (I know that libs just like to be told what to believe) before you make yourself look like an ass again.

[Rebel]

Umm, I'm not calling Karin on that since it was probably an honest mistake, but homecreek is right about the min. wage in 1980.

http://www.dol.gov/ESA/minwage/chart.htm

Well educate Homeslice on the definition of "bouncy".

[Lord Undies]

I was only in the 10th grade, but personally, I was thrilled, Cherokee.  I remember how my parents struggled to weather Jimmah's shitty economy.  I myself worked for $2.35/hour.  I remember the hostages in Iran and how powerless we were to help them.  I remember thinking "How in the hell can this be?  We're the U.S.!" 

BTW, what is so offensive about the term "Pom Pom squad?"  I think there's much worse you could call someone.  He acts like he committed one of the seven deadlies.  What a tool. 

Where is it mentioned that $2.35 was the minimum wage? 

[Karin]

It was a private country club.  They didn't have to adhere to regular laws, for some reason.  So, at age 15 I was a busgirl for $2.35. 

[BlueStateSaint]

It was a private country club.  They didn't have to adhere to regular laws, for some reason.  So, at age 15 I was a busgirl for $2.35.  

Here's the reason, as it was explained to me when I worked as a dishwasher/prep cook in that same time period:  Because I was working in a restaurant, and some of the workers could make tips to supplement their wages, the lower base rate applied to all hourly workers in the restaurant, whether or not they actually worked the bar or dining room.  The waitstaff never split their tips with us back in the kitchen.  I didn't like it, but I worked anyway.

Karin was working in a private restaurant.  The lower wages applied to her as well.

[jtyangel]

A teen with working papers received less then the federal minimum.

It is entirely likely that after 29 years the exact wage figure may have been blurred by time.
Do some research  (I know that libs just like to be told what to believe) before you make yourself look like an ass again.

ahh, see...I knew it was some intricacy or detail that some of us would not be aware of. Thx, Carl. Now this asshat will apologize to Karin I'm sure, right?     *chirp*

[jtyangel]

Well educate Homeslice on the definition of "bouncy".

Well I didn't legitimize that part of it, Reb. I did say that I thought it was just a posting mistake, but apparently it was an intricacy in the law which is also another quirk I had considered as well after Homeslice pointed it out. I thought the bouncy thing was such totally idiocy it didn't need addressing. And as for definition....'homeslice'(very good name ) should know that a bouncy is littered with exaggerations and over the top incidents that are put in and 'decorated' for no other reason then to gain 'street cred' or to 'one up' another DUer. It seems sometimes DU make them up to be a part of the group at any given time and adopt one another's happenings to do so.

Karin's description would not fit a bouncy. It was neither an exaggeration, an untruth, nor was it over the top. It contained a piece of history that I(and maybe you) were too young to know(the variance in min. wage depending on the job and age of the person working).


Bouncy definition ok? 

BTW, Karin, I'm sorry if I implied by posting the min wage thing that I agreed with Homeslice on the bouncy thing. I did NOT agree with it, nor did I mean to imply any deception on your part(that never crossed my mind) and it's why I added what I did. I knew most likely there was something I didn't know about min. wage during that time and figured one of you peeps would correct the basic table on it from that times if there were intricacies(and you did )

[Rebel]

Lowest I worked for was 3.35 an hour at McDonalds in 1988. I was 7 in '80.

[USA4ME]

cherokeeprogressive

We, as DU'ers, are "birds of a feather".

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[GOBUCKS]

Nice bouncy!  If you were in 10th grade in 1980 you were an underage worker and paid below the minimum wage of $3.10!  I was 15 in 1980 and worked at a Del Taco for more hours than the law allowed but I still got $3.10!

Wow! Yet another DUmpmonkey posting here! No wonder the DUmp has been slow.

[Lord Undies]

$2.35 in 1980 had about the same buying power as $6.44 in 2009.

Annual inflation over this period was about 3.54%.

Also........................

$3.00 in 1980 had about the same buying power as $8.22 in 2009.

Annual inflation over this period was about 3.54%.

[Homecreek]

Whoa just a !@@##$ Rebel!  Im sorry Im new here (this will be my 8th post) I thought Karin was a post from DU!  I was only pointing out the min. wage amount.  My background goes way back in the conservative circles.  Back in the early 90's I work in DC for Virginia Thomas.  If you know who I am talking about then you would know I not a troll from the island.

If I have a couple of hundred post here and I still @#$ up.  Let me have it

Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.
Ronald Reagan