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Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« on: October 14, 2009, 06:31:26 AM »
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ALBANY, Ore. - At the Oaks Apartments in Albany, the management can fly their own flag advertising one and two bedroom apartments - but residents have been told they can't fly any flags at all.

Jim Clausen flies the American flag from the back of his motorcycle. He has a son in the military heading back to Iraq, and the flag - he said - is his way of showing support.

"This flag stands for all those people," said Clausen, an Oaks Apartment resident. "It stands for the people that can no longer stand - who died in wars. That's why I fly this flag."

But to Oaks Apartment management, Clausen said, the American flag symbolizes problems.

He was told to remove the red, white and blue from both of his rides, or face eviction.

"It floored me," he said. "I can't believe she was saying what she was saying."

Even long-time residents like Sharron White, who has flown a flag on her car for eight years, has been told to take it down.

White said management told her that "someone might get offended."

"I just said to her 'They'll just have to get over it,'" White said.

Resident we talked to who had been approached to take down their flags all told us the same thing: that management told them the flags could be offensive because they live in a diverse community.
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Unbelievable! :whatever: http://www.katu.com/news/local/64059697.html

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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2009, 06:48:03 AM »
I can see the apartment complex not allowing flags to be flown from balconies or windows, I don't agree with it, but I can understand it.  But not allowing flags on peoples vehicles?   Do they disallow bumper sticker flags also?

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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2009, 07:52:14 AM »
I can see the apartment complex not allowing flags to be flown from balconies or windows, I don't agree with it, but I can understand it.  But not allowing flags on peoples vehicles?   Do they disallow bumper sticker flags also?
According to the article yes! :o
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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2009, 07:57:01 AM »
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Resident we talked to who had been approached to take down their flags all told us the same thing: that management told them the flags could be offensive because they live in a diverse community.

Attempts to find out for ourselves why management would ban flags were unsuccessful. KATU wanted to talk to management at Oaks Apartments, but no one has returned our calls. The woman we were told had made the decision said she was "not going to answer any questions."

Welcome to America, a$$holes.

I  wonder if there is anything in the rental agreement that gives management the right to regulate flags on vehicles.  If not, they can pound sand.
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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2009, 08:02:14 AM »
Hmmmm? Lets try this again!http://www.katu.com/news/local/64059697.html
Got it working...must have been a problem on their end.
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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2009, 08:31:23 AM »
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Barb Holcomb, the nonresident manager of the Oaks Apartments at 1440 Geary Circle S.E., owned by Stan Keller, said she wanted to implement the flag policy earlier but the previous on-site manager would not say anything to the tenants.
"I'm trying to avoid any conflict," Holcomb said. "I have a problem when tenants' rights to free speech come into contact with other tenants' rights of peaceful enjoyment. This policy is not a violation of anyone's civil rights.

"We're a diverse community here, and we've had previous problems with this sort of thing," she said.

Holcomb declined to say what types of problems those were.


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When the paper contacted the owner, Keller, he said the policy pertained only to flags flying from any of the 188 units and not to vehicles.

Later, Holcomb clarified that Keller is responsible for maintenance of the building while she addresses issues relating to tenants.
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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2009, 08:44:21 AM »
Got it working...must have been a problem on their end.


No, the original link had a syntax error

it was posted as "http://http://www...."
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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2009, 08:50:46 AM »
Wonder how popular that decision will be when the paying residents move out and the complex becomes another Section 8 hellhole.
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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2009, 06:42:55 PM »
I'd tell the management to go get bent.

Unless there is something clearly defined in the lease, banning US flafs form vehicles, I'd also sue the snot out of them.

Where is the ACLU on this?
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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2009, 06:44:18 PM »
UPDATE:

ALBANY, Ore. -- Flags are OK again at an Albany apartment complex after the property manager reviewed the policy and decided she didn't have the legal standing to ban flags from the exteriors of apartments and vehicles parked at the complex.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/64262707.html

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"I made a policy. I was wrong," she said. "My boss is a wonderful man. He backed me 100 percent -- even when I was wrong."


Lady, you are a ****ing moonbat and your boss is a ****ing idiot.
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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2009, 10:54:43 PM »
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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2009, 02:22:09 AM »
This makes little sense to me, but perhaps its like a bloods crips kind of thing, like if there is some gang related or hate related issues here, I doubt the complex wants to outlaw american flags, but perhaps they have to ban all flags to keep people from flying other flags, maybe there is like a puerto rican / mexican fued going on where they use the flags to encourage violence.

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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2009, 06:07:11 AM »
Good Christ--she's like vestanumbers, but younger.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong point, is it dear?
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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2009, 06:10:07 AM »
Good Christ--she's like vestanumbers, but younger.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong point, is it dear?
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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2009, 06:18:02 AM »
Now, can I tell her where to put the flagpole?
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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2009, 02:02:42 PM »
Again no debate at all, just hate monguering.

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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2009, 02:09:30 PM »
Again no debate at all, just hate monguering.

What is there to debate? The manager admitted her position was legally baseless. The "requirement" has been removed.

That covers the legal perspective.

On a much more personal basis, when you or any of your liberal "brethren" want to **** with my right to display my flag, you'll have much more on your hands than you bargained for.

When you've walked in my shoes and seen what I've seen, you'll have a clue what I'm talking about. Until then, monger away. Your point - whatever that is - means less than nothing.
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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2009, 02:12:19 PM »
This makes little sense to me, but perhaps its like a bloods crips kind of thing, like if there is some gang related or hate related issues here, I doubt the complex wants to outlaw american flags, but perhaps they have to ban all flags to keep people from flying other flags, maybe there is like a puerto rican / mexican fued going on where they use the flags to encourage violence.

Like OMG I was TOOOTTALLLY just thinking that!  It's probably like some gang stuff for sure cuz the article was about some diverse apartments, you know, mexicans and other 'cans and stuff.  It's gotta be fair to totally just like not allow any flags, cuz then the gangs will be cool, like.  People who complain about this probably want the 'cans to kill each other, hateful conservatives and stupid people and stuff.  You probably know more about this than anyone too, like cuz of your gardner.  You probably even say hey to him when you see him and stuff, like.
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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2009, 02:13:03 PM »
Again no debate at all, just hate monguering.

My, my--aren't we apologists for idiots?

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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2009, 02:14:43 PM »
This makes little sense to me, but perhaps its like a bloods crips kind of thing, like if there is some gang related or hate related issues here, I doubt the complex wants to outlaw american flags, but perhaps they have to ban all flags to keep people from flying other flags, maybe there is like a puerto rican / mexican fued going on where they use the flags to encourage violence.

*Facepalm*

Glossed over this did you?

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"I have a problem when tenants' rights to free speech come into contact with other tenants' rights of peaceful enjoyment. This policy is not a violation of anyone's civil rights.

"We're a diverse community here, and we've had previous problems with this sort of thing," she said.

Holcomb declined to say what types of problems those were.

I'm sure the reporter could've "dug up" any incidents on the police blotter over the U.S. flag being affiliated with gang activity in the area.  ::)

No, the apartment manager, Barb, is being evasive with the reporter's attempt to question it because the worthless bitch doesn't want the flag flown ANYWHERE and is wielding her meniscule, perceived "power" over the property, and by extension the tenants, to implement her anti-patriotic vision.
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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2009, 02:17:16 PM »
*Facepalm*

Glossed over this did you?

I'm sure the reporter could've "dug up" any incidents on the police blotter over the U.S. flag being affiliated with gang activity in the area.  ::)

No, the apartment manager, Barb, is being evasive with the reporter's attempt to question it because the worthless bitch doesn't want the flag flown ANYWHERE and is wielding her meniscule, perceived "power" over the property, and by extension the tenants, to implement her anti-patriotic vision.

The "manager" has recanted her "requirement", admitting she was wrong. There is no issue, aside from the fact that the "manager" is completely dipped, dredged, and molded in shit.

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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2009, 05:09:08 PM »
Has anyone noticed that liberals think that to celebrate diversity, individuality must be relinquished?

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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2009, 05:25:08 PM »
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"He's just a romping, stomping patriot," Holcomb said.


Did yall catch this gem from "Barb" at the end of the article?

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Re: Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2009, 07:24:44 PM »
What a dumb****....I fly the flag on my patio and we have an HOA.  I'd like to see them try this.  My response would be a simple "SUE ME."