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Offline thundley4

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Should Unemployed People Work for Free?
« on: October 12, 2009, 05:38:18 PM »
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babylonsister   (1000+ posts)             Mon Oct-12-09 03:40 PM
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Should Unemployed People Work for Free?
   

 
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Should Unemployed People Work for Free?


More than half a million Americans are filing new unemployment claims each week, relying on state benefits to keep them afloat as they spend their days looking for jobs. But in Georgia, thousands of unemployed people are working without a salary in “auditions” for paying gigs.

Under the Georgia Works program, jobless citizens work part-time for up to six weeks at businesses with job openings. They earn no salary, but the state pays unemployment benefits along with a weekly stipend for transportation, child care, and other expenses. And while the businesses involved don’t issue paychecks, they do provide valuable on-the-job training, according to Michael Thurmond, the state’s labor commissioner. So far, some 3000 Georgians (58% of participants) have been hired at the places where they started working for free. Thurmond calls it a “win, win, win” program that has helped the unemployed find work; saved employers nearly $15 million in labor, hiring, and training costs; and saved the state $5.3 million in benefits it would have paid to people who remained unemployed. At least 17 other states have asked about starting similar programs.

Still, there are critics. Andrew Stettner of the National Employment Law Project says that unemployed workers should spend their time looking for the right job. He fears the Georgia program could lead to mandatory unpaid work for the unemployed if it were replicated in other states. “The purpose of unemployment ought to be to enable people to search for suitable work, not to give employers free labor,” he says.

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Bluzmann57   (1000+ posts)             Mon Oct-12-09 03:42 PM
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1. No
   
Short and to the point. One should do a job, get paid, and spend their money however they see fit. That's economics 101.
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timtom   (1000+ posts)             Mon Oct-12-09 05:31 PM
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53. Strongly second that "No."
   
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ddeclue   (1000+ posts)             Mon Oct-12-09 03:44 PM
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2. Ummm Lincoln freed the slaves Georgia..
   

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Thickasabrick   (1000+ posts)           Mon Oct-12-09 03:48 PM
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8. +100
   

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Rebubula (1000+ posts)           Mon Oct-12-09 04:12 PM
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22. Minor difference...
   
...they are not forcing anyone to do this. These folks get OJT and some good contacts. They get a stipend (probably pretty freaking modest) to help cover some other costs.

This is a tough market and lots of people are hurting. I would take a wait and see attitude to see if this program works out. As someone said earlier...this seems a bit like being an intern. More than half got permanent positions after the program.

But, if making this about slavery or something makes you feel better...well..good for you.
It also allows the companies to weed out those with poor work ethics, something that DUmmies hate, which is why they back unions.

Most of the DUmmies are against this idea, but then they hate anything that might help businesses, and even more if it requires work to be done. Just remember, these are they same people that think welfare should be a "no strings attached" affair.
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Re: Should Unemployed People Work for Free?
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2009, 05:59:45 PM »
They hate anything that involves the word "work".
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Re: Should Unemployed People Work for Free?
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2009, 06:21:41 PM »
Quote from: Carl on October 12, 2009, 05:59:45 PM
They hate anything that involves the word "work".

That say it all.  :cheersmate:

If it were up to the DUmmies unemployment benefits would be extended until their 65 birthday.
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Re: Should Unemployed People Work for Free?
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2009, 07:01:56 PM »
It's not 'Involuntary servitude,' they can alway give up the unemployment payments and avoid doing it.

Seriously, though, I can see some circumstances under which this might be successfully challenged depending on the who-shot-John of how participation is forced, and at what stage of the UE benefits.  I hope Georgians gave it a solid defense on that in the legislation and training, 'cause it sounds like a great program. 
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Re: Should Unemployed People Work for Free?
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2009, 07:18:47 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on October 12, 2009, 07:01:56 PM
It's not 'Involuntary servitude,' they can alway give up the unemployment payments and avoid doing it.

Seriously, though, I can see some circumstances under which this might be successfully challenged depending on the who-shot-John of how participation is forced, and at what stage of the UE benefits.  I hope Georgians gave it a solid defense on that in the legislation and training, 'cause it sounds like a great program. 

I went to the website for the article. It isn't mentioned if it is a mandatory or voluntary program.  It looks to be a voluntary program.

http://www.dol.state.ga.us/spotlight/sp_georgia_works.htm  I see nothing wrong with it.
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Re: Should Unemployed People Work for Free?
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2009, 07:40:43 PM »
I don't see any problem with people working for the money they receive.  Most of us have no choice.   :whatever:
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Re: Should Unemployed People Work for Free?
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2009, 01:48:43 AM »
Working for free? Did you see the article libtard? He is getting paid and working.

I suppose this comes from the libtard mindset that money should be free.
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Re: Should Unemployed People Work for Free?
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2009, 02:01:00 AM »
For cryin' out loud! This sounds a helluva lot better than DUmmies sittin' on their ass collecting "free money" off of unemployment bennies! I don't know how it is now, but in construction when we were laid-off, all we had to do was show 3, count 'em, 3 job contacts in order to collect our weekly check. Most of us just pulled them outa the phone book! Hell, we were going to be called back as soon as the weather broke. We weren't willing to start a job, only to quit when construction picked back up.

I have a feeling the DUmmies are just going thru the motions and hoping the Messiah will extend their bennies,
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Re: Should Unemployed People Work for Free?
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2009, 09:15:34 AM »
Quote from: FGL on October 13, 2009, 01:48:43 AM
Working for free? Did you see the article libtard? He is getting paid and working.

I suppose this comes from the libtard mindset that money should be free.

Not all money, FGL. Only government money is free. Obama gets it from 'his stash'.
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Re: Should Unemployed People Work for Free?
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2009, 09:31:05 AM »
Holy Schnikies!  That is an AWESOME program.  Wish we had it here.  I woulda done something like that for sure!   And, it is a great oppty to screen candidates. 

Alot of times, when one is out of work for a long time, it takes a toll on your self esteem.  To actually EARN your $$ would really help. 
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Re: Should Unemployed People Work for Free?
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2009, 09:36:45 AM »
Quote from: Tantal on October 13, 2009, 09:15:34 AM
Not all money, FGL. Only government money is free. Obama gets it from 'his stash'.

Maybe Obama will give out Kroners from his cash now? They're sure to go up in value in relation to the dollar as O helps crash the economy
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Re: Should Unemployed People Work for Free?
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2009, 09:41:22 AM »
Why are they even questioning whether or not people "should" do something they so obviously "want" to do?
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Re: Should Unemployed People Work for Free?
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2009, 09:44:26 AM »
Cuz it makes them look bad?
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Re: Should Unemployed People Work for Free?
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2009, 09:59:50 AM »
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Bluzmann57   (1000+ posts)             Mon Oct-12-09 03:42 PM
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Short and to the point. One should do a job, get paid, and spend their money however they see fit. That's economics 101.
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