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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2009, 09:35:05 PM »
Quote from: bkg on October 12, 2009, 09:20:43 PM
And that's something I simply do not understang... The libertarian in me says "who give a flying fawk?" what someone does. The logician in me take the Libertarian view and asks why TF someone cares what I or anyone else thinks about the person/persons someone decides to sleep with. I'll never understand it.

I don't care who they take into their bed as long as it is not a child.  I merely don't want their life style shoved down my throat and be expected to approve of it. 

As a Christian, my belief is that they will be judged by God.
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #51 on: October 12, 2009, 11:20:51 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on October 12, 2009, 09:35:05 PM
I don't care who they take into their bed as long as it is not a child.  I merely don't want their life style shoved down my throat and be expected to approve of it. 

As a Christian, my belief is that they will be judged by God.

Sooooo... you're not for the idea of teaching 5 year olds about the gay lifestyle?  :tongue:
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #52 on: October 13, 2009, 11:14:18 AM »
This has nothing to do with gay rights or progressing civil rights.
This isn't about Obama caring for the LGBT community, he doesn't give a rat's ass about them or anyone else for that matter.
This isn't about making the military more progressive or "better".

This is about a narcissistic as*hole who wants to make this a progressive issue so that future liberal professors will praise Obama's legacy as a man of civil rights. It's about expanding his legacy. Obama doesn't give a shit about how this would affect our military function or how inappropriate it is.

And most gay people don't make their gayness an issue in most issues of conversation. Nobody is denying gay's the right to join the military, we just want to ensure that they leave their baggage at the door.
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #53 on: October 13, 2009, 01:36:12 PM »
He'll end DADT only in (God forbid) his 2nd term when no need to worry about another term.
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #54 on: October 13, 2009, 04:35:33 PM »
Quote from: bkg on October 12, 2009, 11:20:51 PM
Sooooo... you're not for the idea of teaching 5 year olds about the gay lifestyle?  :tongue:

correct.
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #55 on: October 14, 2009, 06:29:18 AM »
Quote from: Daisy on October 13, 2009, 01:36:12 PM
He'll end DADT only in (God forbid) his 2nd term when no need to worry about another term.
You forgot his buddies want to eliminate term limits for POTUS.
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #56 on: October 14, 2009, 08:37:25 AM »
This is probably WHY he's ending DADT

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqxmn1ZuMw4[/youtube]
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #57 on: October 14, 2009, 09:01:46 AM »
Quote from: Thor on October 14, 2009, 08:37:25 AM
This is probably WHY he's ending DADT

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqxmn1ZuMw4[/youtube]

What's the youtube, Thor? Firewall won't let me see it.  :banghead:
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #58 on: October 14, 2009, 01:29:30 PM »
Quote from: Eupher on October 14, 2009, 09:01:46 AM
What's the youtube, Thor? Firewall won't let me see it.  :banghead:

Tabloid stuff. If Fox News picks up on it I might pay some attention then.
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #59 on: October 15, 2009, 08:59:41 AM »
Quote from: Deuce on October 14, 2009, 01:29:30 PM
Tabloid stuff. If Fox News picks up on it I might pay some attention then.

Fox is often weeks, if not months behind on news articles like this, if they even publish it at all. Remember, Fox is trying to play nice with the Big Zero.
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #60 on: October 15, 2009, 09:06:32 AM »
Quote from: bkg on October 12, 2009, 09:04:34 PM
Meaning no disrespect to anyone...

But it seems to me that life would be easier and people generally less tense if DADT (AKA Common Sense) was practiced as part of common courtesy. I don't give a flying frog who someone brings into their bed, so WTF does it have to be announced to the world as some sort of merit badge? I don't get it. My ex-wife's brother is as gay as the day is long and he never once felt the need to make his life choices even a topic of conversation, let alone one of debate...  Why someone wants a badge of honor for who they choose to sleep with is  something that I frankly may never understand.

Fair enough.

Alas, the military is a place of communal showers and 2-man tents.

Of all the chickenhawk comments (not you, just in general) its the DADT that irls me the most. I can understand a civilian presidednt ordering troops to war but for a civilian who has never lived the military life to tell me who I have to shower with?

That's where the hypocrisy becomes glaring.

When I'm allowed to shower with the females we can talk.
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #61 on: October 15, 2009, 10:57:16 AM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on October 15, 2009, 09:06:32 AM
Fair enough.

Alas, the military is a place of communal showers and 2-man tents.

Of all the chickenhawk comments (not you, just in general) its the DADT that irls me the most. I can understand a civilian presidednt ordering troops to war but for a civilian who has never lived the military life to tell me who I have to shower with?

That's where the hypocrisy becomes glaring.

When I'm allowed to shower with the females we can talk.

ahhh, but MSB, who says they would want to shower with you?

this is a good point though, will they need to create another set of facilities for gays/lesbians, or will all that concern about "harassment" go out the window?
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #62 on: October 15, 2009, 10:47:19 PM »
They had co-ed showers in that Starship Troopers movie. I say we go in that direction...

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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #63 on: October 15, 2009, 10:51:54 PM »
Quote from: Deuce on October 15, 2009, 10:47:19 PM
They had co-ed showers in that Starship Troopers movie. I say we go in that direction...

Ever been in the Army?
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #64 on: October 15, 2009, 10:53:30 PM »
Kev, are you saying that the women aren't as attractive as in that movie?   :lmao:
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #65 on: October 15, 2009, 10:54:30 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on October 15, 2009, 10:51:54 PM
Ever been in the Army?

I hadn't really thought about what the average female in the military looks like...

New plan: Opaque shower curtains.

Edit: actually that would solve a lot of the shower problems wouldn't it.
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #66 on: October 16, 2009, 08:02:25 AM »
Quote from: Deuce on October 15, 2009, 10:54:30 PM
I hadn't really thought about what the average female in the military looks like...

New plan: Opaque shower curtains.

Edit: actually that would solve a lot of the shower problems wouldn't it.

And the answer to Reb's question? I take that as a No.
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #67 on: October 16, 2009, 09:04:24 AM »
Quote from: Eupher on October 16, 2009, 08:02:25 AM
And the answer to Reb's question? I take that as a No.

No. I am disqualified medically.
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #68 on: October 16, 2009, 09:07:24 AM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on October 15, 2009, 09:06:32 AM
Fair enough.

Alas, the military is a place of communal showers and 2-man tents.

Of all the chickenhawk comments (not you, just in general) its the DADT that irls me the most. I can understand a civilian presidednt ordering troops to war but for a civilian who has never lived the military life to tell me who I have to shower with?

That's where the hypocrisy becomes glaring.

When I'm allowed to shower with the females we can talk.

I don't see the gay/lesbian locker room separation issue as much different than the male/female locker room separation issue.

Which leads me to:  Women aboard submarines.

What are your thoughts?

ETA: I just saw the thread posted about women aboard subs - I will read it now.
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #69 on: October 16, 2009, 09:40:53 AM »
Quote from: SherryBaby on October 16, 2009, 09:07:24 AM
I don't see the gay/lesbian locker room separation issue as much different than the male/female locker room separation issue.

Which leads me to:  Women aboard submarines.

What are your thoughts?

ETA: I just saw the thread posted about women aboard subs - I will read it now.

The reason for separate facilities is so that women will feel less uncomfortable.  Would you want to undress/shower with men who may look at you like a piece of meat?  Now translate that to gay men/straight men or lesbian/straight woman.  There will be harassment that goes on, and that is , everyone say it with me boys and girls, "prejudicial to good order and discipline."
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #70 on: October 16, 2009, 10:25:31 AM »
Quote from: docstew on October 16, 2009, 09:40:53 AM
The reason for separate facilities is so that women will feel less uncomfortable.  Would you want to undress/shower with men who may look at you like a piece of meat?  Now translate that to gay men/straight men or lesbian/straight woman.  There will be harassment that goes on, and that is , everyone say it with me boys and girls, "prejudicial to good order and discipline."

Clearly the best option is to have different showers for:

straight men
gay men
bisexual men
straight women
gay women
bisexual women
transgender m->f (preop)
transgender m->f (postop)
transgender f->m (preop)
transgender f->m (postop)
hermaphrodites
eunichs


Our bases are going to be huge.
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #71 on: October 16, 2009, 10:28:33 AM »
Quote from: Deuce on October 16, 2009, 10:25:31 AM
Clearly the best option is to have different showers for:

straight men
gay men
bisexual men
straight women
gay women
bisexual women
transgender m->f (preop)
transgender m->f (postop)
transgender f->m (preop)
transgender f->m (postop)
hermaphrodites
eunichs


Our bases are going to be huge.


Just think of the number of water heaters that will be needed!!!!1111!!111

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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #72 on: October 16, 2009, 10:29:58 AM »
Quote from: Deuce on October 16, 2009, 10:25:31 AM
Clearly the best option is to have different showers for:

straight men
gay men
bisexual men
straight women
gay women
bisexual women
transgender m->f (preop)
transgender m->f (postop)
transgender f->m (preop)
transgender f->m (postop)
hermaphrodites
eunichs


Our bases are going to be huge.


Oh so you're going to just pick and choose which fetish you'd like to accomodate?  Why don't you just ESAD you intolerant bigot?
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #73 on: October 16, 2009, 10:31:55 AM »
We'll need an entire building devoted to gerbil storage.
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #74 on: October 16, 2009, 10:38:32 AM »
Quote from: Eupher on October 16, 2009, 10:31:55 AM
We'll need an entire building devoted to gerbil storage.

Plus, who decides what the ration is?  is it class I or class VI?  expendable, durable, non-expendable?  I would assume that all soldiers would be eligible to request them, how do you prevent the straight ones from selling their gerbils (fraud, waste, and abuse)?
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