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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2009, 11:43:18 AM »
Quote from: bkg on October 11, 2009, 09:19:15 AM
I think this may be the nail in the coffen for this administrations attempt at full control supported by the military...

I don't only think it is the nail but it is lowered into the ground and they are throwing dirt on it as we speak
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2009, 11:52:46 AM »
Quote from: bkg on October 11, 2009, 09:19:15 AM
I think this may be the nail in the coffen for this administrations attempt at full control supported by the military...

We don't support him. Watch...

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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2009, 11:57:04 AM »
WOW what a change :sarcasm:
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2009, 12:28:19 PM »
Having served with several people who were gay, it is greatly "prejudicial to good order and discipline".  How long until the first guy is offended in the shower cuz his squadmate is openly eye-humping him?  How long until that squadmate gets his ass beat?  How many fire teams will be disrupted?  How many guys won't want to practice the fireman's carry, neck drag, etc., because they know their gay squadmate has the hots for them?  How many commander's/1sg's will have time taken up by accomodating the homosexual troops (moving them to different barracks, platoons, etc.) when they could be planning or conducting training that will keep troops alive?
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2009, 04:34:25 PM »
Quote from: docstew on October 11, 2009, 12:28:19 PM
Having served with several people who were gay, it is greatly "prejudicial to good order and discipline".  How long until the first guy is offended in the shower cuz his squadmate is openly eye-humping him?  How long until that squadmate gets his ass beat?  How many fire teams will be disrupted?  How many guys won't want to practice the fireman's carry, neck drag, etc., because they know their gay squadmate has the hots for them?  How many commander's/1sg's will have time taken up by accomodating the homosexual troops (moving them to different barracks, platoons, etc.) when they could be planning or conducting training that will keep troops alive?

But, but... gay rights! You homophobe!
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2009, 04:36:41 PM »
Quote from: Casey on October 11, 2009, 04:34:25 PM
But, but... gay rights! You homophobe!

No, it's still racist.  Haven't you heard?  Gay is the new black!
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2009, 06:14:18 PM »
Something that was missed in this discussion.

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Obama also called on Congress to repeal the Defense Of Marriage Act, which limits how state, local and federal bodies can recognize partnerships and determine benefits. He also called for a law to extend benefits to domestic partners.

Didn't this a**hole say he supported DOMA during the campaign?
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2009, 06:15:19 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on October 11, 2009, 06:14:18 PM
Something that was missed in this discussion.

Didn't this a**hole say he supported DOMA during the campaign?

"It's just words"   :whatever:
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2009, 09:12:06 PM »
Quote from: TxRadioguy on October 11, 2009, 06:15:19 PM
"It's just words"   :whatever:

Here is a riddle for you how do you know the Zero is lying?
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2009, 09:25:03 PM »
Quote from: newbiered on October 11, 2009, 09:12:06 PM
Here is a riddle for you how do you know the Zero is lying?


He's breathing...
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2009, 09:42:01 PM »
Quote from: docstew on October 11, 2009, 09:25:03 PM
He's breathing...

His mouth is moving, goes the line.

"No guys, seriously I promise to remove DADT soon."

He could suspend it with an executive order, or so the lawyers say. Takes five minutes. Seems to me like if he really meant it he could have squeezed it in the day somewhere. Although flying overseas to lose the olympics to Rio takes a lot of time out of your day...
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2009, 09:46:30 PM »
Quote from: Deuce on October 11, 2009, 09:42:01 PM
His mouth is moving, goes the line.

"No guys, seriously I promise to remove DADT soon."

He could suspend it with an executive order, or so the lawyers say. Takes five minutes. Seems to me like if he really meant it he could have squeezed it in the day somewhere. Although flying overseas to lose the olympics to Rio takes a lot of time out of your day...

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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #37 on: October 12, 2009, 04:09:06 AM »
I was trying to say that even when he isn't talking (and when is that anyway?) he's thinking lies... therefore all the time he's breathing, he's lying.
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2009, 11:30:20 AM »
Well.  How depressing.

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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #39 on: October 12, 2009, 11:46:31 AM »
It'll be interesting to see if this policy change (which Lord Zero has expressed, but hasn't been reflected yet in legislation) actually results in the kind of mass exodus from the services that characterized Ford's and Carter's presidencies.

They called it the "hollow military" in the aftermath of Vietnam for a reason. Far too many seasoned vets cashed in their chips and left. That left some real problems from a readiness standpoint.

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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2009, 12:49:13 PM »
Quote from: Eupher on October 12, 2009, 11:46:31 AM
It'll be interesting to see if this policy change (which Lord Zero has expressed, but hasn't been reflected yet in legislation) actually results in the kind of mass exodus from the services that characterized Ford's and Carter's presidencies.

They called it the "hollow military" in the aftermath of Vietnam for a reason. Far too many seasoned vets cashed in their chips and left. That left some real problems from a readiness standpoint.



I believe DADT was instituted via an EXORD or similar Presidential policy decision, not by legislation, and so could be just as easily changed...in either direction (Depending, of course, on the political calculus of the consequences that any President would make).
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2009, 01:36:59 PM »
Quote from: ColonialMarine0431 on October 11, 2009, 11:52:46 AM
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2009, 02:01:45 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on October 12, 2009, 12:49:13 PM
I believe DADT was instituted via an EXORD or similar Presidential policy decision, not by legislation, and so could be just as easily changed...in either direction (Depending, of course, on the political calculus of the consequences that any President would make).

IIRC, Clinton did enact an executive order, but Congress followed up with this:

PUBLIC LAW 103-160, SECTION 654, TITLE 10
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2009, 02:34:05 PM »
Quote from: Eupher on October 12, 2009, 11:46:31 AM
It'll be interesting to see if this policy change (which Lord Zero has expressed, but hasn't been reflected yet in legislation) actually results in the kind of mass exodus from the services that characterized Ford's and Carter's presidencies.

They called it the "hollow military" in the aftermath of Vietnam for a reason. Far too many seasoned vets cashed in their chips and left. That left some real problems from a readiness standpoint.



We had the same problem under Clinton.
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2009, 04:26:34 PM »
Quote from: TxRadioguy on October 12, 2009, 02:34:05 PM
We had the same problem under Clinton.

Yup, I was part of those who left/retired. I had had enough of the bullshit.
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2009, 05:10:04 PM »
As long as the people who leave are less than 10%, statistically it should still work out, right?    :drool:

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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2009, 07:06:54 PM »
All the Zero is doing is making us as a nation unprepared for another 911 IMHO
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2009, 09:04:34 PM »
Meaning no disrespect to anyone...

But it seems to me that life would be easier and people generally less tense if DADT (AKA Common Sense) was practiced as part of common courtesy. I don't give a flying frog who someone brings into their bed, so WTF does it have to be announced to the world as some sort of merit badge? I don't get it. My ex-wife's brother is as gay as the day is long and he never once felt the need to make his life choices even a topic of conversation, let alone one of debate...  Why someone wants a badge of honor for who they choose to sleep with is  something that I frankly may never understand.
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2009, 09:06:59 PM »
Quote from: bkg on October 12, 2009, 09:04:34 PM
Meaning no disrespect to anyone...

But it seems to me that life would be easier and people generally less tense if DADT (AKA Common Sense) was practiced as part of common courtesy. I don't give a flying frog who someone brings into their bed, so WTF does it have to be announced to the world as some sort of merit badge? I don't get it. My ex-wife's brother is as gay as the day is long and he never once felt the need to make his life choices even a topic of conversation, let alone one of debate...  Why someone wants a badge of honor for who they choose to sleep with is  something that I frankly may never understand.

They want approval for their deviant life style.  Mere acceptance is no longer enough for them.
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Re: President Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2009, 09:20:43 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on October 12, 2009, 09:06:59 PM
They want approval for their deviant life style.  Mere acceptance is no longer enough for them.

And that's something I simply do not understang... The libertarian in me says "who give a flying fawk?" what someone does. The logician in me take the Libertarian view and asks why TF someone cares what I or anyone else thinks about the person/persons someone decides to sleep with. I'll never understand it.
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